Hundreds of Prop 8 protesters take to L.A. streets

[HyperTek]

The Associated Press: Hundreds of Prop 8 protesters take to L.A. streets

LOS ANGELES (AP) — More than 1,000 people who turned up for a rally against the California's newly approved same-sex marriage ban took to the streets of Los Angeles and West Hollywood and blocked traffic.

Los Angeles police officer Jason Lee says "the overall indication is that the demonstrators and marchers are peaceful" in the Wednesday night protest against Proposition 8, but says at least four people have been detained.

Television cameras showed one protester jumping on top of a police car at the intersection of Hollywood and Highland. He was quickly wrestled to the ground by police and handcuffed.

The rally broke into several separate groups as midnight approached hours after the marching began, and protesters were still walking amid traffic on Santa Monica and San Vicente Boulevards in West Hollywood.

Saw it on the tv news.. . dam that shit was crazy. I didnt think people would go this far.

cbs2.com - 7 Arrested, Officer Hurt During Proposition 8 Protest


I dunno if that was a good move imo,.. will fuel people to dislike it even more..

[Brian]

I don't blame them for protesting.
I'm glad.

Equality was obviously proven to be a LIE....

[ronmcdon]

Most likely this will go to appeals and/or the supreme court. seriously, just take legal action if you're not happy with the ruling. it worked back in 2000. protesting the way they did isn't going to accomplish anything other pissing other ppl off.

[Brian]

are you serious?

[ThatGuy]

Originally Posted by Brian

I don't blame them for protesting.
I'm glad.

Equality was obviously proven to be a LIE....

Agreed.

Seperate but equal has never worked before. Why would they think it would be accepted now?

[murda-c]

Well good thing i'm black but not gay so i can still be happy.

Seriously though i thought cali was somewhere that gay marriage wouldn't have a problem.

[Matej]

It's good to see people standing up for something they believe in.

[ronmcdon]

Originally Posted by Brian

are you serious?

Yes I am. I have more faith in a supreme court ruling to get things done than some random protest. Other than that, I personally don't care too much either way about the whole prob 8 deal.

[smellslikecurry]

:ninja edit:

personally, i have no problem with gay people...im sure theyre nice people

but as a future parent, the last thing i want is for my kids to think that being gay is ok

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

I'm glad they're protesting even though this effects me in no way

But seriously, marriage in schools in generally not allowed because there are plenty of children that are missing one or both parents. If people would have thought that then they would have realized that Utah is full of SHIT. It's just a bunch of gayhaters who like to delve into other people's business.
And it's not that they're not ONLY disallowing marriage, they don't even want a civil union! That means their spouse or whatever you want to call it holds no rights to their spouse on their deathbed and has no relation afterwards. To me that's crazy.

yea for real

i wouldve went too if i was in cali

personally, i have no problem with gay people...im sure theyre nice people

but as a future parent, the last thing i want is for my kids to think that being gay is ok

what difference does it make? really? It's not like the gays are going to convert your son/daughter. It really does nothing but promote a more tolerant California. And honestly, there is NOTHING wrong with being gay. It's just a sexual preference, it's not like they're vampires......or zombies!

[Brian]

USA used to accept african americans as slaves.
That was "ok" at one time...

Did people protest about it?

Yes.

Is it still "ok" now?
No.





case in point.

[ThatGuy]

Originally Posted by smellslikecurry

yea for real

i wouldve went too if i was in cali

personally, i have no problem with gay people...im sure theyre nice people

but as a future parent, the last thing i want is for my kids to think that being gay is ok

Why would you have gone to the rally?

You do realize they are rallying AGAINST Prop 8, which just passed, outlawing Gay marriages.

So if your against Gay marriage, would you just show up at the rally to start a fight?

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Originally Posted by Brian

USA used to accept african americans as slaves.
That was "ok" at one time...

Did people protest about it?

Yes.

Is it still "ok" now?
No.





case in point.

I know seriously!!! As long as women NEVER has rights to vote then I'll be happy!

[smellslikecurry]

Originally Posted by ThatGuy

Why would you have gone to the rally?

You do realize they are rallying AGAINST Prop 8, which just passed, outlawing Gay marriages.

So if your against Gay marriage, would you just show up at the rally to start a fight?

fuck my bad i read it too fast and thought they were protesting to stop gay marriage

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theres nothing wrong with gay people...theyre not vampires...one of my close friends is gay but from a religious stand point...no matter what religion...its not allowed

i dont know its a real catch 22...im an advocate for equal rights...but at the same time i dont want it be ok to be married and gay...its just something i cant swallow religiously

when you have a son...would it be ok with you if he was gay?

thats like instant hell.

[Brian]

curry - that is why there is "church and state"

[ThatGuy]

I have a son, and 3 daughters.

I still don't chose to treat homosexuality like it's a disease my kids will catch if we allow Gay marriages.

[jonasblack]

Originally Posted by smellslikecurry

theres nothing wrong with gay people...theyre not vampires...one of my close friends is gay but from a religious stand point...no matter what religion...its not allowed

Fail...
Hinduism allow gay relationships and other forms too.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Originally Posted by smellslikecurry

fuck my bad i read it too fast and thought they were protesting to stop gay marriage

ninja edit






theres nothing wrong with gay people...theyre not vampires...one of my close friends is gay but from a religious stand point...no matter what religion...its not allowed

i dont know its a real catch 22...im an advocate for equal rights...but at the same time i dont want it be ok to be married and gay...its just something i cant swallow religiously

when you have a son...would it be ok with you if he was gay?

thats like instant hell.

I'm not going to dispute your beliefs but what would happen if your kid turns out gay? Regardless if you "want" it or not? Would you still love them or reject them because of this idea?
Also, I'm not going to dispute religion but how many priests get convicted of molestation and just get a small slap on the wrist? Is that justice? Does that mean they'll be destined for hell? Not if they're priests right? The same people that say it's bad for men to have sex with men are having sex with boys.
Sorry if I DID get overly religious. Please don't close.

[Matej]

Non-religious people get married. People of different religions all over the world get married.

The Bible is not the authority on marriage.

While I don't have a strong opinion on gay marriage leaning either way, I think it's ridiculous to outlaw it based on a purely religious argument, especially in a country where there's supposed to be a freedom of religion.

People need to find a better argument against it.

[Rey of Spots]

You know this is gonna turn into another one of those threads.

[smellslikecurry]

i totally understand what you guys mean...im actually really confused on how i feel about it myself

in my eyes...politically they should be able to get married...without a doubt...there should always be a separation between church and state.

religiously, i cant agree with it...i actually didnt know about hinduism...i was referring mainly to judiasm, islam and christianity.

for those of you that dont know...im muslim...not a crazy ninja suit advocating, women oppressing, militant muslim...a pretty liberal muslim

i try praying 5 times a day...i date girls...i dont eat halal food all the time...but for some reason i cant get past the old school ways of thought when it comes to homosexuality

if my son was gay...i cant ungay him...itd take time to get over it...but itd be hard to cope with knowing your sons going to hell...




funny story: i got to st. johns here in new york and this just happened

St. John's priest charged with emailing lewd videos - News

we used to say whatup to this guy everyday...always a friendly dude.

oh and i have no problem with lesbians

[touge monster]

I guess we gota take it one step at a time. At least we got Obama in the house.

I think the gay issue will be like the racism issue. Not everyone will agree to it, but it'll be more accepted over time.

[Rey of Spots]

The main problem is that the Prop 8 supporters do not want homosexuals
to be able to call their "togetherness" a marriage. Call it a civil union, but
not a marriage. To the supporters, they want to protect the sanctity of
what a marriage truly is, between man and woman.

They have dealt with giving them civil unions, but it doesn't give the couple
the same rights a married couple get.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Originally Posted by Rey of Spots

The main problem is that the Prop 8 supporters do not want homosexuals
to be able to call their "togetherness" a marriage. Call it a civil union, but
not a marriage. To the supporters, they want to protect the sanctity of
what a marriage truly is, between man and woman.

They have dealt with giving them civil unions, but it doesn't give the couple
the same rights a married couple get.

prop 8 bans even civil unions. What do you think a civil union is? It's a marriage in the eyes of the state. A civil union would give gays the exact same rights given to married couples. Prop 8 activists just get sickened by the thoughts of gays and want them to be treated like dogs and defferent from the rest of American citizens, plane and simple.

[Rey of Spots]

Originally Posted by Mi Beardo es Loco

A civil union would give gays the exact same rights given to married couples.

Wrong my friend. These are some of the rights not given to
civil unions.

1. Joint parental rights of children
2. Joint adoption
3. Status as "next-of-kin" for hospital visits and medical decisions
4. Right to make a decision about the disposal of loved ones remains
5. Immigration and residency for partners from other countries
6. Crime victims recovery benefits
7. Domestic violence protection orders
8. Judicial protections and immunity
9. Automatic inheritance in the absence of a will
10. Public safety officers death benefits
11. Spousal veterans benefits
12. Social Security
13. Medicare
14. Joint filing of tax returns
15. Wrongful death benefits for surviving partner and children
16. Bereavement or sick leave to care for partner or children
17. Child support
18. Joint Insurance Plans
19. Tax credits including: Child tax credit, Hope and lifetime learning credits
20. Deferred Compensation for pension and IRAs
21. Estate and gift tax benefits
22. Welfare and public assistance
23. Joint housing for elderly
24. Credit protection
25. Medical care for survivors and dependents of certain veterans

Here's more info.
http://lesbianlife.about.com/cs/wedd...nvmarriage.htm

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Originally Posted by Rey of Spots

Wrong my friend. These are some of the rights not given to
civil unions.

1. Joint parental rights of children
2. Joint adoption
3. Status as "next-of-kin" for hospital visits and medical decisions
4. Right to make a decision about the disposal of loved ones remains
5. Immigration and residency for partners from other countries
6. Crime victims recovery benefits
7. Domestic violence protection orders
8. Judicial protections and immunity
9. Automatic inheritance in the absence of a will
10. Public safety officers death benefits
11. Spousal veterans benefits
12. Social Security
13. Medicare
14. Joint filing of tax returns
15. Wrongful death benefits for surviving partner and children
16. Bereavement or sick leave to care for partner or children
17. Child support
18. Joint Insurance Plans
19. Tax credits including: Child tax credit, Hope and lifetime learning credits
20. Deferred Compensation for pension and IRAs
21. Estate and gift tax benefits
22. Welfare and public assistance
23. Joint housing for elderly
24. Credit protection
25. Medical care for survivors and dependents of certain veterans

Here's more info.
Civil Unions vs. Gay Marriage

I always thought that a civil union is what you get at the court. Well, since I've never been married then I really don't know shit about it.

[ronmcdon]

Originally Posted by Brian

USA used to accept african americans as slaves.
That was "ok" at one time...

Did people protest about it?

Yes.

Is it still "ok" now?
No.





case in point.

Slavery throughout the USA ended with the passing of the 13th amendment. I don't see how a random street protest had much to do with it, although you could make the case that the of Abolitionist movement might have eventually contributed to that.

Case in point, taking matters to the court works. It was the Supreme Court that voted against CA Prop 22.

State's top court strikes down marriage ban

Want results? Take it to court.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_10907777

Personally I'm not convinced protests have that much influence in this day and age in the USA, regardless of the subject in question.
I guess we just have to agree to disagree on this

[Rey of Spots]

I'm not married either, but what do I know...

Honest question: If they allow gay marriage now, what's there to
stop something worse off in the future, such as incest being accepted?
I know that's a bit extreme, but I'm sure back then, people thought
homosexualism would never be acceppted, but look at it now.

Or even marrying animals...

Help this country.

[RJF]

So, would you rather have a judge "legislate" from the bench and make a ruling/law or what just happened, where people had the opportunity to vote on the issue and decide for themselves.

[Rey of Spots]

Originally Posted by RJF

So, would you rather have a judge "legislate" from the bench and make a ruling/law or what just happened, where people had the opportunity to vote on the issue and decide for themselves.

The people voted and plead their case. They won. Next.