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cdlong · 03-09-2009, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GSXRJJordan

To be completely honest, you should know piston area and pad area for the 6pots you're using and compare that to Z32 fronts - I'm imagining they're 6 "small" pistons (as opposed to Z32's 4 "large" ones), so I'm guessing overall piston area and pad area shouldn't be too different... and you're using z32 rears, so that makes it even easier.

true, but pad area doesn't matter for MC size. pad area only affects heat capacity and pad wear.

and Arauz, Heiyuu's answer was purposefully vague. there are several different z32 MCs, some more suitable than others, but it's hard to suggest any based on the info you provided.

on a related topic, my z32 brakes w/ 17/16 MC don't offer the pull-your-teeth-out kind of power i'd like. you actually have to push on the pedal pretty hard to haul the car down from speed. i have an ABS s14 dual booster to add but i was considering using S2000 (300x25mm) or RX-8 (322x24mm) front rotors to add a little more torque to the system. any thoughts? fyi, the install isn't what i'm concerned about.

racer98 · 03-14-2009, 10:39 PM

ok finally got everything sorted out with the install + BMC and all of the parts.

now I do not want to run 18in rims I would like to stay with my R33 GT-R rims has any one successfully installed the brembo calipers (evo8) and were still able to use a R33 GT-R 17in rim ?

lmk.

*revat619* · 03-14-2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by racer98

ok finally got everything sorted out with the install + BMC and all of the parts.

now I do not want to run 18in rims I would like to stay with my R33 GT-R rims has any one successfully installed the brembo calipers (evo8) and were still able to use a R33 GT-R 17in rim ?

lmk.

R33 GTR's actually had brembo's themselves so you'll be fine.

VarrsToen · 03-15-2009, 03:17 AM

nice work!!!

GSXRJJordan · 03-15-2009, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by cdlong

true, but pad area doesn't matter for MC size. pad area only affects heat capacity and pad wear.

and Arauz, Heiyuu's answer was purposefully vague. there are several different z32 MCs, some more suitable than others, but it's hard to suggest any based on the info you provided.

on a related topic, my z32 brakes w/ 17/16 MC don't offer the pull-your-teeth-out kind of power i'd like. you actually have to push on the pedal pretty hard to haul the car down from speed. i have an ABS s14 dual booster to add but i was considering using S2000 (300x25mm) or RX-8 (322x24mm) front rotors to add a little more torque to the system. any thoughts? fyi, the install isn't what i'm concerned about.

Good point about pad area - piston area is what I meant to get at, and mentioned pad area also as a "related issue".

As far as braking with Z-brakes/Z32 1 1/16" MC, I'd have to say it depends on pad choice... I'm comparing to my GSXR1000 (the best braking vehicle I've ever been on, pulls down from 180mph to ~60mph in 100yds with me riding) and the C5 z06 (best braking car, 60-0mph in ~110ft published) and the Z32 with Axxis "metal master" pads stops very well, but I find myself having to really put my foot in it and modulate the pedal a lot, vs the GSXR (yank the lever and hold on) or the Z06 (toe the pedal and the car fucking stops)... leads to much more "conscious effort" devoted to braking, but that might just be the 235-series tires I run up front - all in all with a progressive/track pad and some good rubber up front, I see them being very competitive.

Anyway, Z32's clear my mid-disk 0-offset Bersaglios up front and low-disk 0-offset in back, so I'm thrilled with them

racer98 · 03-15-2009, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by revat619

R33 GTR's actually had brembo's themselves so you'll be fine.

seen people with this same set up on 18in's and there is no room almost, wanted to see if people and to do some caliper grinding to make the clearance happen.

*revat619* · 03-15-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by racer98

seen people with this same set up on 18in's and there is no room almost, wanted to see if people and to do some caliper grinding to make the clearance happen.

That has to do with the spoke design of the wheel. Besides, don't EVO's come stock with 17s?

98koukile · 03-16-2009, 12:27 AM

Yup. Wheels designed to work with those brakes though. Most rims shouldn't have a problem but you clear by 2mm or so, not a big margin

*revat619* · 03-16-2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 98koukile

Yup. Wheels designed to work with those brakes though.

Exactly. Thats what i just said. It has to do with the design of the wheel. The dude asked if R33 wheels would clear and the R33 GTR wheel is designed to accommodate a large caliper. The R33 GTR's actually run Brembos. So like i said, it'll clear just fine.

MrChow · 03-16-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GSXRJJordan

Good point about pad area - piston area is what I meant to get at, and mentioned pad area also as a "related issue".

As far as braking with Z-brakes/Z32 1 1/16" MC, I'd have to say it depends on pad choice... I'm comparing to my GSXR1000 (the best braking vehicle I've ever been on, pulls down from 180mph to ~60mph in 100yds with me riding) and the C5 z06 (best braking car, 60-0mph in ~110ft published) and the Z32 with Axxis "metal master" pads stops very well, but I find myself having to really put my foot in it and modulate the pedal a lot, vs the GSXR (yank the lever and hold on) or the Z06 (toe the pedal and the car fucking stops)... leads to much more "conscious effort" devoted to braking, but that might just be the 235-series tires I run up front - all in all with a progressive/track pad and some good rubber up front, I see them being very competitive.

Anyway, Z32's clear my mid-disk 0-offset Bersaglios up front and low-disk 0-offset in back, so I'm thrilled with them

All I have to say is that Porsche's brakes are great. I was driving my friend's Porsche Cayenne around. I had to a emergency stop and I was amazed how quickly that thing stop. I had 5 people in the car including me and the Cayenne weights in some around 4,250lb with all-weather 235/65/17.

But I hear you jeff on the effort you have to do when your in something that has big ass brakes then to something like z32 etc. etc.

GSXRJJordan · 03-16-2009, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MrChow

But I hear you jeff on the effort you have to do when your in something that has big ass brakes then to something like z32 etc. etc.

I think you might have gotten the wrong idea - with the other braking setups I mentioned (GSXR1000 and C5 Z06), braking performance is incredible and fairly intuitive to control... the Z32 setup (in an s-chassis, which certainly has something to do with it) seems to need more control, even with decent tires up front - part of this might be that the z06 has ABS, but to be honest, I don't think I've ever hit it under hard driving conditions (only in the wet with PS2's).

Just an interesting note, not really here nor there

I will add that going from 235/40 all around with Z32 front/Z31 MC/stock rears to 235/40 285/30 and Z32 all around (with 17/16" MC) does indeed make a huge difference

Especially when I rip that hydro ebrake. F*ck stock rears.

idcrisis · 04-18-2009, 09:41 PM

sorry to bring this thread up again, but i wanted someone to verify if 04 sti's have the same calipers as 05+ sti's.

Twinturbozs · 04-28-2009, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by idcrisis

sorry to bring this thread up again, but i wanted someone to verify if 04 sti's have the same calipers as 05+ sti's.

Calipers are the same, rotors are different though. 04 had 5x100 bolt pattern. 05+ had 5x114.3

JVDSKYRINE · 05-01-2009, 11:04 AM

Has anyone done CTSV brakes? I think that they are the same as evo and sti but the rotors are remarkebly bigger the evos a little closer to 350z's.

Also has anyone thrown brembo fronts on the rear? I have seen Z32's used?

MIght be over kill? lemme know what you guys think

racer98 · 05-01-2009, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JVDSKYRINE

Has anyone done CTSV brakes? I think that they are the same as evo and sti but the rotors are remarkebly bigger the evos a little closer to 350z's.

Also has anyone thrown brembo fronts on the rear? I have seen Z32's used?

MIght be over kill? lemme know what you guys think

just make sure you check the rotor/caliper offsets and the mounts kits your going to be using !

bigturboeds13 · 05-23-2009, 10:27 AM

What about G35 Brembos????????How do These bolt up???? and will the adapter plate 7"/1.25"/.5" work up front

racer98 · 05-23-2009, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bigturboeds13

What about G35 Brembos????????How do These bolt up???? and will the adapter plate 7"/1.25"/.5" work up front

just read thru the thread been talked about a couple of times.

Ali 556 · 05-23-2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JVDSKYRINE

Has anyone done CTSV brakes? I think that they are the same as evo and sti but the rotors are remarkebly bigger the evos a little closer to 350z's.

Also has anyone thrown brembo fronts on the rear? I have seen Z32's used?

MIght be over kill? lemme know what you guys think

you can,,,,but if you have 12.6'' rear you need at least AP racing 14" rotor and one hell of bmc

duel bmc anyone?

florante rea · 05-23-2009, 06:38 PM

i'm in the process of having evo/z33 non brembo brackets for the fronts for the 350z shortly. waiting for confirmation from customer, crossing my fingers that everything fits. this setup can be a good upgrade for non brembo 350z.

PITCH · 06-11-2009, 06:21 PM

I know for the STi fronts the STi lines will work. But on the Evo front calipers will the STi lines work or the Evo ones?

s15specR · 06-12-2009, 11:49 AM

Evo and STI uses the same size line on the caliper side, I just swapped my EVO fronts for the STI and used the same lines.

Evo fronts are for same if anyone wants!

auxoura · 06-21-2009, 01:36 AM

I've done the conversion but I realize that my brake pedal is all soft....

Wondering if its the bracket I made is wrong or I require a BMC from the Z32. Is it a MUST because I have a friend who fitted AP Racing calipers into his 240sx and it works fine without any modifications or changing of the BMC.

*revat619* · 06-21-2009, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by auxoura

I've done the conversion but I realize that my brake pedal is all soft....

Wondering if its the bracket I made is wrong or I require a BMC from the Z32. Is it a MUST because I have a friend who fitted AP Racing calipers into his 240sx and it works fine without any modifications or changing of the BMC.

change the BMC. you're now pushing bigger/more brake pistons than stock. It'll "work" without it, but its gonna feel like shit and honestly, it really isn't that safe.

Ali 556 · 06-21-2009, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by revat619

change the BMC. you're now pushing bigger/more brake pistons than stock. It'll "work" without it, but its gonna feel like shit and honestly, it really isn't that safe.

+564729647839

My EVO brakes ALLaround made my brakes like shit with the stock BMC...

Z32 bmc it's a better..

auxoura · 06-21-2009, 08:22 PM

Thanks for the info....the new calipers are insane. Locks up my front pretty quick without the Z32 BMC. Guess I need to start looking for it.

auxoura · 06-27-2009, 07:54 PM

Ok, I've fitted a new BMC but im not exactly sure if its from the Z32. I have a problem that the brake pedal is way to sensitive and sudden that I think its dangerous. It brakes amazingly well but I prefer a more gradual feel. Any idea? Is it because of the BMC? Or its like that?

JohnC · 06-28-2009, 12:36 PM

You fitted a bmc without knowing what its from?

I dont usually post negative feedback but this is just not smart.
You may have actually lucked out and got the right one but thats not the point.

Anyway, to your question do you have complementing rear upgrade?
If you changed the bmc only and then noticed the change its obviously the bmc.
The z32 bmc does sharpen up the brake feel and makes the braking more responsive but for me at least it made the feel and speed of reaction of the brakes just great. It does surprise people that give it a try for the first time but once you get used to it you come to appreciate what you now call dangerous.

auxoura · 06-28-2009, 07:29 PM

A friend got it from the chopshop and said its from the Z32 but when I check online it doesn't have any of the 1/16 or 1/14 markings. Its a lot better but very sudden.

MrMcgarrett · 06-28-2009, 08:08 PM

Does it have BM50 or BM57 on it?
BM50 is the 1"
BM57 is the 1 1/16"

auxoura · 07-01-2009, 08:38 PM

I got the BM50 written on it.... :/ should I find for the BM57?

03-16-2009, 12:27 AM	#488
98koukile Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Western Mass Age: 37 Posts: 949 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Yup. Wheels designed to work with those brakes though. Most rims shouldn't have a problem but you clear by 2mm or so, not a big margin __________________ Just talking about cars, one at a time Horsepower sells cars torque wins races -Shelby

05-01-2009, 11:04 AM	#494
JVDSKYRINE Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Edmonton Posts: 505 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Has anyone done CTSV brakes? I think that they are the same as evo and sti but the rotors are remarkebly bigger the evos a little closer to 350z's. Also has anyone thrown brembo fronts on the rear? I have seen Z32's used? MIght be over kill? lemme know what you guys think __________________

05-23-2009, 06:38 PM	#499
florante rea Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: king of prussia, pa Age: 43 Posts: 1,448 Trader Rating: (43) Feedback Score: 43 reviews	i'm in the process of having evo/z33 non brembo brackets for the fronts for the 350z shortly. waiting for confirmation from customer, crossing my fingers that everything fits. this setup can be a good upgrade for non brembo 350z. __________________ fdrea

06-11-2009, 06:21 PM	#500
PITCH Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: GA Age: 42 Posts: 1,103 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	I know for the STi fronts the STi lines will work. But on the Evo front calipers will the STi lines work or the Evo ones? __________________

06-28-2009, 12:36 PM	#507
JohnC Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Israel Posts: 335 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: JohnC Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You fitted a bmc without knowing what its from? I dont usually post negative feedback but this is just not smart. You may have actually lucked out and got the right one but thats not the point. Anyway, to your question do you have complementing rear upgrade? If you changed the bmc only and then noticed the change its obviously the bmc. The z32 bmc does sharpen up the brake feel and makes the braking more responsive but for me at least it made the feel and speed of reaction of the brakes just great. It does surprise people that give it a try for the first time but once you get used to it you come to appreciate what you now call dangerous. __________________ JY Racing LTD.

03-14-2009, 10:39 PM	#482
racer98 Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: 六本木 Age: 46 Posts: 6,202 Trader Rating: (128) Feedback Score: 128 reviews	ok finally got everything sorted out with the install + BMC and all of the parts. now I do not want to run 18in rims I would like to stay with my R33 GT-R rims has any one successfully installed the brembo calipers (evo8) and were still able to use a R33 GT-R 17in rim ? lmk.

03-15-2009, 03:17 AM	#484
VarrsToen Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Santa Fe Springs, Ca Age: 34 Posts: 290 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	nice work!!!

04-18-2009, 09:41 PM	#492
idcrisis Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: van Posts: 9 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	sorry to bring this thread up again, but i wanted someone to verify if 04 sti's have the same calipers as 05+ sti's.

05-23-2009, 10:27 AM	#496
bigturboeds13 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Elburn Illinois Age: 40 Posts: 1 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	What about G35 Brembos????????How do These bolt up???? and will the adapter plate 7"/1.25"/.5" work up front

06-12-2009, 11:49 AM	#501
s15specR Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: USA Posts: 1,022 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	Evo and STI uses the same size line on the caliper side, I just swapped my EVO fronts for the STI and used the same lines. Evo fronts are for same if anyone wants!

06-21-2009, 01:36 AM	#502
auxoura Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Asia Posts: 13 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I've done the conversion but I realize that my brake pedal is all soft.... Wondering if its the bracket I made is wrong or I require a BMC from the Z32. Is it a MUST because I have a friend who fitted AP Racing calipers into his 240sx and it works fine without any modifications or changing of the BMC.

06-21-2009, 08:22 PM	#505
auxoura Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Asia Posts: 13 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Thanks for the info....the new calipers are insane. Locks up my front pretty quick without the Z32 BMC. Guess I need to start looking for it.

06-27-2009, 07:54 PM	#506
auxoura Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Asia Posts: 13 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ok, I've fitted a new BMC but im not exactly sure if its from the Z32. I have a problem that the brake pedal is way to sensitive and sudden that I think its dangerous. It brakes amazingly well but I prefer a more gradual feel. Any idea? Is it because of the BMC? Or its like that?

06-28-2009, 07:29 PM	#508
auxoura Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Asia Posts: 13 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	A friend got it from the chopshop and said its from the Z32 but when I check online it doesn't have any of the 1/16 or 1/14 markings. Its a lot better but very sudden.

06-28-2009, 08:08 PM	#509
MrMcgarrett Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Pomona, CA Age: 42 Posts: 5,591 Trader Rating: (313) Feedback Score: 313 reviews	Does it have BM50 or BM57 on it? BM50 is the 1" BM57 is the 1 1/16"

07-01-2009, 08:38 PM	#510
auxoura Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Asia Posts: 13 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I got the BM50 written on it.... :/ should I find for the BM57?