Drift entrance techniques/form

[yokotavia]

oh ok. i thought you were talking about in general braking/ebraking wasnt needed.

my bad, i understand now.

haha

[fckillerbee]

so I have some questions for the more experienced of drivers.....when in tandem, just like aiming for a cone to hit a clipping point, do you guys aim for a body part on a car, or do you feel it out. I tend to keep my eye between the rear tire and the door panel, but I know some of you guys are super legit, and like to put tire marks on the oposing car.....

my questions is one...what do you aim for when tandeming,
and two....how do you compensate your line since you are having to drive more shallow, or more wide, just to keep with the other driver?

aaaaaaaaand.....how do you "catch up" when a car length or two behind. I've always thought about less wheel spin to catch up, but i'm a ka, but still really curious about the more powerful guys...like do you take a different line, ....i dont' know...make sense out of my nonsense.

[BoostSlideWayz]

jeez its been awhile since ive been on this thread... yeah still havent drifted my car yet cuz of the slow engine build.. but its almost done..i hope i can actually get to do this for once. cant wait ! i definitely have learned some things on this thread.

[yokotavia]

when i tandem i aim to put my headlights even with where his door meets his front fenders.

adjusting your line is all about braking and/or clutch kicking(or pushing the gas pedal if you have real power)

and catching up with the other driver really makes a difference when you try to keep the car not as sideways in those few seconds so you'll have more foward motion and but obviously you want to keep the tires spinning and still be a little sideways lol

back to adjusting your line...alot of ways to make the car react in a certain way.
this is what I'd do in the following situations...

-while tandeming the guy in front slows down alot extremely suddenly: ebrake with footbrake at the same time to stay off him

-while tandeming the guy in front slows down a little but your coming in way to hot and about to hit him: left foot brake and keep on the throttle

-while tandeming he goes really wide: let off the gas a bit and steer accordingly

-while tandeming he goes really shallow while slowing down a bit: leftfoot brake alot and floor it

this is what I WOULD DO in these random situations that happen while tandeming but...everyone is different so you just mainly have to feel it out

[fckillerbee]

so that I know your driving style with your car, could you please post specs. and which track you are driving?

great info too!!!!

[recklessrob]

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

so that I know your driving style with your car, could you please post specs. and which track you are driving?

great info too!!!!

and video if possible

[sijia10358]

rule #1. balls out!

[ericcastro]

^lol.

I drive a single cam, so i dont have a lot of adjustment power.

So I have to start on thier bumper at inititation, transfer just before they do, and be on the gas to keep up.

So I usually aim for the rear bumper corner that is closest to me.
If I aim for the door, i will not have the power to stay tight when i get pinched on the inside, or have to back out for transition.

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by ericcastro

^lol.

I drive a single cam, so i dont have a lot of adjustment power.

So I have to start on thier bumper at inititation, transfer just before they do, and be on the gas to keep up.

So I usually aim for the rear bumper corner that is closest to me.
If I aim for the door, i will not have the power to stay tight when i get pinched on the inside, or have to back out for transition.

yeah I have came into those scenarios, and us underpowered guys don't have any advantage...i just clutch in, and hopefully that'll slow me down just a hair...braking usually seperates the gap by a foot or two...from my experience.

[dat411kid]

How do you go about pressing the brakes, when coming in hott from a transition into a sharp corner? I find myself forgetting to press brakes every run. And I think this is the reason for me spinning most of the time one this on turn specifically....

[GabeS14]

Originally Posted by dat411kid

How do you go about pressing the brakes, when coming in hott from a transition into a sharp corner? I find myself forgetting to press brakes every run. And I think this is the reason for me spinning most of the time one this on turn specifically....

I usually try applying down force with my foot.......




ok..ok..just kidding..it's a valid question..

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by dat411kid

How do you go about pressing the brakes, when coming in hott from a transition into a sharp corner? I find myself forgetting to press brakes every run. And I think this is the reason for me spinning most of the time one this on turn specifically....

your question is very vague...

if you are just trying to control the transition...(if downshifting) I'll clutch in, and brake while shifting, and once it's engaged, that's usually enough time for the car to settle.

same gear on throttle: stay on the gas, when the car is starting to transition...just tap the brake (with left foot while still on gas)...not lightly...not hard....just a good 50% love tap...usually settles the car.

In tandem: If you are coming in hott, and the guy is going toooo slow....clutch in, brake, and e-brake until you are at a good speed, let off the brake and get on the gas...right when you let off the brake, you should be releasing the e-brake...and get back on the gas.

I used this with cody...one of the MULSANNE guys...when he upped his power significantly, I told him to rest his foot on the brake (left foot...)..everytime he felt his crazy boost kick on, i told him to apply a little pressure...you can do this during drift, or transition...it helps distribute weight and power smoothly. (if i'm making sense). and once he was used to the response...he used it less and less. I now hear he drives that thing like a boss! Hope this helps.


and for the future Q's...please...track, entry speed, car, power, and setup will answer some of these questions easier and more thoroughly than what i'm spewing out.

and obviously...everyones driving is different...dont' "just" listen to me.

[dat411kid]

Thank you...This makes sense^^ Will have to start practicing left foot braking..

[yeti303]

my entries start with constant wheel spin, start out high rev 1st, throw in 2nd shift into 3rd with a clutch kick and u get entrys like this

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by yeti303

my entries start with constant wheel spin, start out high rev 1st, throw in 2nd shift into 3rd with a clutch kick and u get entrys like this

ahh....so that's how you enter into a turn to get that hatch open...i've seen people do it...just never knew it was a skill. haha jk.


great photo...specs?

[yeti303]

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

ahh....so that's how you enter into a turn to get that hatch open...i've seen people do it...just never knew it was a skill. haha jk.


great photo...specs?

i love when my hatch comes open it sick but the on staff fire fighters at willow dont think its that cool lol, specs are alot of suspension work, powered by max supper angle kit and stock sr20 and dangerzone

[ericcastro]

Originally Posted by yeti303

just for the sake of something decent on this page.

[zorak]

Step 1: Feint.
Step 2: THROW IT HARD.
Step 3: Steer + Gas.

I think thats how to drift.

amirite?

[sleeper108]

While I was still in my single slammer it was extremely basic

2nd gear tracks were always best for me, so get about midway into 3rd, then adjust speed while downshifting, rev up, and clutch kick in second, let off, and catch the wheel where I want, then jump back on the gas hard.

when transitioning, all I did was stay on the gas, and turn in for a little bit more angle, and then let go of the wheel, and allow my car to do the transition for me lol.

[JDM AP1]

I read this whole thread most of it last night and the rest this morning and i made an account hoping that you guys & gals could give me some pointers to improve my technique, i have a stock SR20DE (no turbo) and i was about to throw in an SR20DET but i saw people on here tearing it up w their KA's and it made me feel insecure about my drifting among other things. so i figure ill wait on the swap a little longer untill i could squeeze all of the juice outta my N/A setup which consits of
S14 Kouki
SR20DE
Arita Speed Coilovers
front
ADVAN Neova AD07 @ 29psi
Camber -5
toe 0

Rear
Toyo DRB @ 57psi
Camber- stock
toe- stock

Click Here For Video!!

I was chasing a Sil80 w a lightly modified SR20DET
Constructive feedback welcome!!

[jspec240]

Lol long post to read. The pointers are IN THE THREAD my friend. and Im sure you will have the $ for a nice slider being in Oki. I was in yokota and miss it.

Dont feel insecure keep practicing and save up some doe for a turbo kit/swap

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by JDM AP1

I read this whole thread most of it last night and the rest this morning and i made an account hoping that you guys & gals could give me some pointers to improve my technique, i have a stock SR20DE (no turbo) and i was about to throw in an SR20DET but i saw people on here tearing it up w their KA's and it made me feel insecure about my drifting among other things. so i figure ill wait on the swap a little longer untill i could squeeze all of the juice outta my N/A setup which consits of
S14 Kouki
SR20DE
Arita Speed Coilovers
front
ADVAN Neova AD07 @ 29psi
Camber -5
toe 0

Rear
Toyo DRB @ 57psi
Camber- stock
toe- stock

Click Here For Video!!

I was chasing a Sil80 w a lightly modified SR20DET
Constructive feedback welcome!!

see...we run cheap tires in the rear to get it to slide out...with high tire pressure...and heavy weight transfer. Have someone drive your car out there...i'm sure they will have better advice to what you can do...as the only thing I can say is...

drive harder.

[sleeper108]

Originally Posted by JDM AP1

I read this whole thread most of it last night and the rest this morning and i made an account hoping that you guys & gals could give me some pointers to improve my technique, i have a stock SR20DE (no turbo) and i was about to throw in an SR20DET but i saw people on here tearing it up w their KA's and it made me feel insecure about my drifting among other things. so i figure ill wait on the swap a little longer untill i could squeeze all of the juice outta my N/A setup which consits of
S14 Kouki
SR20DE
Arita Speed Coilovers
front
ADVAN Neova AD07 @ 29psi
Camber -5
toe 0

Rear
Toyo DRB @ 57psi
Camber- stock
toe- stock

Click Here For Video!!

I was chasing a Sil80 w a lightly modified SR20DET
Constructive feedback welcome!!

Try less negative camber in the front. -1.5 degrees ought to be enough. -5degrees seems like way too much.

other than that you seem like you understand what you're doing. Drive the course harder, cause it looks like you should have been ale to link the whole thing.

[ericcastro]

Originally Posted by JDM AP1

I was chasing a Sil80 w a lightly modified SR20DET
Constructive feedback welcome!!

Course looks small.
A lot of the vids and pics from us entering in KA's are 3rd gear entries, and i was even coming in close to 4th at ASB.

I think you are fine, course looks hard to get big speed in.
You want to drift faster, let out some air pressure and let the tires get more traction.
No real reason a SR needs 60 PSI
Thats what I run on AZINI 115's on 17's with a SOHC.

[JDM AP1]

Originally Posted by ericcastro

Course looks small.
A lot of the vids and pics from us entering in KA's are 3rd gear entries, and i was even coming in close to 4th at ASB.

I think you are fine, course looks hard to get big speed in.
You want to drift faster, let out some air pressure and let the tires get more traction.
No real reason a SR needs 60 PSI
Thats what I run on AZINI 115's on 17's with a SOHC.

the reason i had 60 psi is because of how grippy the tires were compared to the 595 super steels i was running up front even though toyos were 1/32nd inch from their life, but ill try letting out some pressure and starting out further back to see if i could get some 3rd gear entrys

Originally Posted by sleeper108

Try less negative camber in the front. -1.5 degrees ought to be enough. -5degrees seems like way too much.

other than that you seem like you understand what you're doing. Drive the course harder, cause it looks like you should have been ale to link the whole thing.

yea ill have to try that i just set it to -5 because it looks cool haha, and thanks ill try to.

Originally Posted by jspec240

Lol long post to read. The pointers are IN THE THREAD my friend. and Im sure you will have the $ for a nice slider being in Oki. I was in yokota and miss it.

Dont feel insecure keep practicing and save up some doe for a turbo kit/swap

I read the thread i just wanted to see if there was anything that i could do better that wasnt obvious to me, and yeah i never been there but from what i see drifting is way bigger up there

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

see...we run cheap tires in the rear to get it to slide out...with high tire pressure...and heavy weight transfer. Have someone drive your car out there...i'm sure they will have better advice to what you can do...as the only thing I can say is...

drive harder.

ill try its just that the best initiation speed from what i could tell is in a magical torqeless range in my powerband in third gear thats y i dont really bother speeding up in the beggining and just drift in second.


Thanks guys ill put the advice to use next time i go to the track
and I apologize for the bandwith abuse

[ericcastro]

Originally Posted by JDM AP1

the reason i had 60 psi is because of how grippy the tires were compared to the 595 super steels i was running up front even though toyos were 1/32nd inch from their life,

that makes perfect sense
i have seen so many people just pushing their cars through corners cause they just dont try this simple temperary solution.

[jspec240]

Originally Posted by sleeper108

While I was still in my single slammer it was extremely basic

2nd gear tracks were always best for me, so get about midway into 3rd, then adjust speed while downshifting, rev up, and clutch kick in second, let off, and catch the wheel where I want, then jump back on the gas hard.

when transitioning, all I did was stay on the gas, and turn in for a little bit more angle, and then let go of the wheel, and allow my car to do the transition for me lol.

Well spoken...

[fckillerbee]

yes, tires is the number one easy thing to control....you want less grip...more tire pressure....more girp..lower the pressure...its amazing to see how many things people will change before changing tires....

[iamtheyi]

woohoo~ welded the diff :P. time to start practicing like the crajees

[fckillerbee]

party timeeeeaaahhhhh!

have fun!!!!