Drift entrance techniques/form

[towlie]

This may have been covered covered before, but I have not followed this thread to the fullest extent.

How important is left foot braking for drifting?

[word sux]

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

Completely agree with you. The harder cars make you appreciate how easy a 240 really is. The more you master a FC, or a Miata, it'll teach you more about limits than a 240 could. And to think...there are cars easier than 240's.

I drove a newer body mustang with a v8 in it....damn....it was awesome!

Yea, I can't wait till we get my friends e30 drift car up and running he snapped a rocker arm first run. I want to get some seat time in that I am sure its a totally different world in that thing. I can't imagine anything being easier then an s13 to drift unless it drives itself ha.

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by towlie

This may have been covered covered before, but I have not followed this thread to the fullest extent.

How important is left foot braking for drifting?

Imagine tandeming....and you are on the guys door. If you lift, you lose momentum. So you left foot while on throttle, and it slows you down...keeps boost up, and the second you want to get closer..the power is already there waiting for you... ;D

Originally Posted by word sux

Yea, I can't wait till we get my friends e30 drift car up and running he snapped a rocker arm first run. I want to get some seat time in that I am sure its a totally different world in that thing. I can't imagine anything being easier then an s13 to drift unless it drives itself ha.

oh yeah...bmw's also are in that "easy car to drift" category. My buddy's M3...stupid fucking angle....crazy speed. Drifts itself for sure! lol

[towlie]

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

Imagine tandeming....and you are on the guys door. If you lift, you lose momentum. So you left foot while on throttle, and it slows you down...keeps boost up, and the second you want to get closer..the power is already there waiting for you... ;D

That actually makes a lot of sense.

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[Jared0934]

goddamn I'm telling you FCkillerBee is the fcking man. Damn drift genious. Ryosuke.....

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by Jared0934

goddamn I'm telling you FCkillerBee is the fcking man. Damn drift genious. Ryosuke.....

I learned from people like Henry Schelley, and John Chow. Those guys learned how to drive before drifting was even known in the states. Before modding knuckles was even thought of. Shit I remember when Henry modded his knuckles for the first time. These dudes drove FC's....which was known to be the hardest cars to drive at the time.

d1gp irwindale



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReKdByGqfsA

When Kyle Mohan drove a FB...when Pawlak first painted his car green....I've received tips from all these guys...i'm just sharing them with you. ;D

[Perfect Balance]

So I guess I'll bump this thread with a question of my own. I put a Kaaz 2 way LSD in my car this past saturday, set to 80% lock per Kaaz's recommendation with what I was going to do with the car, and I'm having a bit of trouble getting used to it.

I've learned to drift somewhat with an open diff, which pretty much required a lot of speed and really "throwing" the car, along with lots of clutch kicking to really get it to stay sideways, and I'd gotten pretty good at doing so with what I had. Now that I've got this LSD, I'm finding that the car takes more or less the same amount of a flick or clutch kick to get it going, but it comes out a lot faster and harder than what I'm used to, and as a result, my mental "programming" for countersteer is late, and slow, not to mention kind of frantic as I try to keep up.

I'm assuming I just need to take this somewhere where I've got a nice open area and really get a feel once again for what the car does, and reset my muscle memory for what I need to do when initiating a drift. Keep in mind I've only been driving on this LSD for 2 days or so.

I'm just wondering if anyone has any kind of tips to offer me, or if it's really simply a matter of just "doing it" and getting a feel for it.

I spun out for the first time today in a very long time (not including track driving) and it's kind of reset my limitations of what I felt comfortable with doing. Kind of made me stop and realize that I needed to figure this out before I ate a curb or something.

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by Perfect Balance

I'm assuming I just need to take this somewhere where I've got a nice open area and really get a feel once again for what the car does,

.

THIS.

You are used to one wheel rotating, while the other grips the road at the speed it needs to.

Now you lock under accel, so you are feeling its slide out more. Just have to get used to it. Once you get used to that...then start adjusting the car.

[Perfect Balance]

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

THIS.

You are used to one wheel rotating, while the other grips the road at the speed it needs to.

That's pretty much what was happening. Rather than really "drifting" I think it was more or less just throwing the car into a slide and the "drift" was a matter of how far I could push the car forward before all power was lost to the outside wheel.

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

Now you lock under accel, so you are feeling its slide out more. Just have to get used to it. Once you get used to that...then start adjusting the car.

Yeah it definitely slides out more the more throttle I'm giving it. Guess I know what I'll be trying to do this weekend.

[TrustS13]

My 2nd time at the track, open for criticism.. I will note the car is on a 235/40 up front on a 9.5 +12 wheel, with my 15" spares on the rear. They sure did smoke a lot lol.. I have my collars removed on my car, the front is as low as my d2's will let me go... I almost want to raise it, I binded the steering at the end and spun, but it was a decent run overall..

My entry started awesome but I straightened then e-brake.. and idea on how to keep up the momentum for a sideways entry?

[Perfect Balance]

Originally Posted by TrustS13

My entry started awesome but I straightened then e-brake.. and idea on how to keep up the momentum for a sideways entry?

Really the solution is simply going faster, but you didn't have enough of a run up to that corner to enter it as early as you attempted. I think if you had kept the first drift going for a longer time you probably could have pulled it off with a transition and then handbrake, but I really think in this case it was simply a matter of not having enough speed.

[godspeed01]

Originally Posted by TrustS13

My 2nd time at the track, open for criticism.. I will note the car is on a 235/40 up front on a 9.5 +12 wheel, with my 15" spares on the rear. They sure did smoke a lot lol.. I have my collars removed on my car, the front is as low as my d2's will let me go... I almost want to raise it, I binded the steering at the end and spun, but it was a decent run overall..

My entry started awesome but I straightened then e-brake.. and idea on how to keep up the momentum for a sideways entry?

speed... lots of it

[pinkarrowsnow]

come out of the gate hard launch the car keep wheel spin down you just blew the tires off in first and second. not allowing you to enter fast. Launch the car off the line keep wheel spin down which = faster/earlier entrys.

[HPballer76]

Originally Posted by pinkarrowsnow

come out of the gate hard launch the car keep wheel spin down you just blew the tires off in first and second. not allowing you to enter fast. Launch the car off the line keep wheel spin down which = faster/earlier entrys.

this ^ on that course i normally ease it off the line in 1st make a quick change to second and then go full throttle. i was entering that course around 55 last time i was there. just try to not spin off the line and get as much speed as possible then e-brake when you get to the entry cones.

[Brian]

you have smooth transitions and all that jazz out there. Good good.

Like mentioned, you just need a little more speed on your initial run up to carry you into that first turn. You should only use that e-brake to extend that slide out a little bit (in case you are coming in too shallow on the first clip)

[JohnnyDrfiter22]

Question, last night at a drift event, I was going a lil faster each time, id enter in at 3rd gear clutch kick, but when I would counter steer my front tires would grip and id end up going the opposite direction I was looking at..my suspension is set in between soft and hard. IDK maybe I don't have enough steering input. Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks guy

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by JohnnyDrfiter22

Question, last night at a drift event, I was going a lil faster each time, id enter in at 3rd gear clutch kick, but when I would counter steer my front tires would grip and id end up going the opposite direction I was looking at..my suspension is set in between soft and hard. IDK maybe I don't have enough steering input. Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks guy

sounds like your rear tires aren't spinning. Either running out of power, or your wheel speed is catching up to the speed you are driving at.

[Brian]

Are they super grippy brand new tires or something?

I would HATE breaking in new front tires.

[JohnnyDrfiter22]

They are fairly new front tires, Falken Azenis. For the rear I use whatever cheap crappy tires fit stock 15" rims. My tire psi is 40 front 60 rear.

[Brian]

Hmm, pretty high PSI.

I don't know what is contributing to your problem though.
Wish I could help.

[!Zar!]

Sounds like the rear is not breaking enough traction or keeping wheel spin up. I don't think there is such as too much front grip.

Maybe a little more info on your cars setup? Such as engine, and alignment.

[Perfect Balance]

Sounds to me like nothing more than an overcorrection. Your front tires are supposed to grip....

[Couped_up'd]

Would say...

18x10 with 255/35/18 tires FRONT
18x13 with 275/35/18 tires REAR

I am thinking of running low tire pressure in the front, and high tire pressure in the rear. Am I getting this right?

Would do you think is the ideal tire pressure for those size tires/wheels?

[Brian]

Those are some big ass wheels and tires!

[!Zar!]

Hope there is power for that.

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by Couped_up'd

Would say...

18x10 with 255/35/18 tires FRONT
18x13 with 275/35/18 tires REAR

I am thinking of running low tire pressure in the front, and high tire pressure in the rear. Am I getting this right?

Would do you think is the ideal tire pressure for those size tires/wheels?

Originally Posted by !Zar!

Hope there is power for that.

Those are cool sizes. I'm sure JTP could drift on those with his mustang in any tire pressure.

so what vehicle are you putting these on?

[nismobenzo]

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

Those are cool sizes. I'm sure JTP could drift on those with his mustang in any tire pressure.

so what vehicle are you putting these on?

rb25 rhd coupe

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by nismobenzo

rb25 rhd coupe

that's a fucking money shot!

well it all depends on power. Looks like you are running around -5 degrees of camber in the rear. so you have to understand, when your tire is cambered, only some of that tire is hitting the surface. So it's almost like you are driving on 245 instead of the current tire size.

How much power does the car have. What kind of course speeds are you working with? any previous experience?

[Z33dori]

stock sr can drift on 275s just sayin........

it is possible ..... think hachi tho lol

[JDMStanced]

hey socal guyz
do you know an open area near Irvine where i can burn off my little left over tires? I just need to finish these off and slap on new tires for driftclinic.
i never drifted before other than just sliding through u turn and little donuts