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Melonburst · 01-15-2012, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tanuki

The post lines up with the frame rail there, but I could be wrong. Also it lines up with the halo best there.

You're right, that is the best place for it to go. Any experienced cage builder will put it there.

Tanuki · 01-15-2012, 10:19 PM

Yeah for the question regarding licensing, I am probably running lap battle one more season and working on licensing as I can afford it.

Thanks for te confirmation on the cage. You guys had me second guessing for a min there.

Tanuki · 02-07-2012, 08:26 PM

Well how about some cage updates? I think it has been a while, and this thing is almost done! Should be out of the shop on Friday!

Imarvin240 · 02-07-2012, 08:35 PM

looking good so far, keep it up!

Tanuki · 02-08-2012, 08:18 AM

Thank you sir! I am getting excited to get this thing home so the motor can go in!

Functiontheory · 02-08-2012, 08:53 AM

love it!! its cool to see a build other then a drift car, very refreshing. looks awesome cant wait to see it when its done.

jefferz · 02-08-2012, 09:07 AM

deleted wall of text.

Tanuki · 02-08-2012, 11:36 AM

^thanks for the wall of text, but that is misinformation, well I guess depending on what rule book you are looking at.

Look up NASA 15.6.11

Thanks

jefferz · 02-08-2012, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tanuki

^thanks for the wall of text, but that is misinformation, well I guess depending on what rule book you are looking at.

Look up NASA 15.6.11

Thanks

15.6.11

Rear Braces

The main hoop must have two (2) braces extending to the rear. The braces shall be

attached as near as possible to the top of the main hoop, and no more than six (6)
inches below the top.

The braces must not contain any bends*. There must be at

least 30 degrees between the plane of the main hoop and the plane of the rear braces.

The main hoop rear braces shall be installed to form no more than a one hundred five
(105) degree angle or no less than a seventy-five (75) degree angle with the main hoop
when viewed from the top. The main hoop braces must be mounted at the rear shock

mounts or suspension pickup points

pretty sure the wheel well is not the shock mount or a suspension pick up

I own a shop and i cage cars. I know the rules.

the cross bars that are welded to that bar between the strut towers is not right either.

A friend a mine right before i started doing cages got his car done by some ghetto shop got one similiar to your rear set up. Did NOT pass tech.

Make the guy do it right.

Tanuki · 02-08-2012, 02:32 PM

Why not quote the whole rule instead of the parts you are wanting to quote?

15.6.11 Rear Braces
The main hoop must have two (2) braces extending to the rear. The braces shall be
attached as near as possible to the top of the main hoop, and no more than six (6)
inches below the top. The braces must not contain any bends*. There must be at
least 30 degrees between the plane of the main hoop and the plane of the rear braces.
The main hoop rear braces shall be installed to form no more than a one hundred five
(105) degree angle or no less than a seventy-five (75) degree angle with the main hoop
when viewed from the top. The main hoop braces may be mounted at the rear shock
mounts or suspension pickup points (providing that the braces remain in compliance with
all other sections of the CCR). They may go through any rear bulkhead(s) provided the
bulkhead(s) is sealed around the cage braces. *There may be certain exceptions
allowed for cars that cannot possible meet this “no bend” requirement. One exception is
listed [Ref15.6.11.A)]. Other exceptions may be made (not guaranteed) if all of the
required bars meet the specifications for a vehicle in the next heavier weight
classification and the alternative design is submitted to the NASA National Office for
special allowance.
15.6.11.A Rear Braces - Exceptions
On cars where the rear window/bulkhead prohibits the installation of rear braces
(Porsche 914, Pontiac Fiero, etc.) the main hoop must be attached to the body by plates
welded to the cage and bolted to the stock shoulder harness mounting location. There
must also be a diagonal bar connecting the top of the main hoop to the lower front
passenger side mounting point (“Petty bar”). Some cars built for racing in other
recognized sanctioning bodies may be granted a waiver of this rule, however they must
show proof of compliance with the current published rules for their class.

It does not say that it is required to mount to the shock mount or suspension pick up. It says that you can mount it there. The plates that are on there cover the rule. I have done my research and there is nothing on this cage that will not pass tech.

Prove It · 02-08-2012, 02:48 PM

It wont pass xdc , or fd. Like stated it must go to strut tower

bb4_96 · 02-08-2012, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prove It

It wont pass xdc , or fd. Like stated it must go to strut tower

I didn't know he was running either.

Tanuki · 02-08-2012, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prove It

It wont pass xdc , or fd. Like stated it must go to strut tower

Quote:

Originally Posted by bb4_96

I didn't know he was running either.

Right. The car is being built for NASA events primarily as well as some Time Attack. The cage meets all FIA/NASA regulations.

jefferz · 02-08-2012, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tanuki

Right. The car is being built for NASA events primarily as well as some Time Attack. The cage meets all FIA/NASA regulations.

you think it will. but it wont formula d and xdc base there rules off of FIA/NASA rules. there cage rules are direct copy of FIA/NASA rules basically.

Tanuki · 02-08-2012, 06:02 PM

I have spoken with many people including a Continental Series Crew Chief and the Director of the Wasatch NASA Chapter. No one else has said that this design will be an issue.

I do appreciate you looking out for me though. Not trying to be an ass about it at all either, just saying thanks for that.

Tanuki · 02-11-2012, 08:32 AM

Well yesterday was extremely busy.

Basic schedule:
Work: 7:30-1:30
Pull Engine from wrecked 240: 3-5
Pick up a trailer and head to cage shop: 6-8
Finish cage and bring home car: 8-12

But on the busy day was worth it. The car is now sitting in the garage, waiting for a new heart.

irritatedmax · 02-11-2012, 08:36 AM

Forget the crappy 90s car...more pics of that truck!

Tanuki · 02-11-2012, 08:40 AM

this is the only other pic I have:

irritatedmax · 02-11-2012, 08:44 AM

That thing is sickkkkkk.

Props on the SR power.

Tanuki · 02-11-2012, 10:50 PM

^Thank you sir.

I don't have more pics of that datsun. I will try and get some soon.

I started cleaning out the interior today using aircraft stripper. I got a lot of it done, but i need to finish going through it all and then start painting. I also need to drill some mounting points for the lap straps on the harness.

Oh and the SR20 went in today. Motor was pulled and new motor mounted in less than 10 hours. Long day, but totally worth it.

Here are specs on the engine:

About the engine. I had it rebuilt at Element with
new rod bearings
stock rods
forged pistons
new head gasket
new gasket and sill kit
new s14 SR water pump (better flow than s13 water pump)
The head is stock but has new lifters
stock turbine on the engine but aftermarket exhaust manifold and dump pipe braided oil and coolant lines
stage 2 single plate clutch w/ ligthened fly wheel

Engine has a little less than 5k miles on it since rebuild. Engine, tranny, wiring harness (wired for S14), ecu, mafs, ignitor, r33 gtr intercooler w/ piping, and full exhaust.

Here are a few new pics of the cage, swap, etc. The engine needs cleaned up and the valve cover needs some love, but it is all in and solid.

Darren · 02-12-2012, 09:28 AM

Are you able to keep your class with this swap? Sorry if this was covered

driftwhat · 02-12-2012, 11:11 AM

Wow man that's an amazing cage build!!

Tanuki · 02-12-2012, 06:35 PM

^thank you sir. I appreciate it!

Decided to get started on painting the interior. Still a long ways to go.

Tanuki · 02-12-2012, 06:37 PM

Darren,

So few people run here that they combine classes a lot. I will probably just jump into whatever class is biggest so that they can get prize money into that class. I think that a class must have 10+ cars before they start contingency/ prize money.

So for now, classing in the local nasa series should be fine. I will be running against most of my friends. Had I done the LS1 I would have moved classes though.

I may be wrong about the way they run classes, though here. Either way I will fit in somewhere and have some fun!

irritatedmax · 02-13-2012, 04:57 AM

Is the interior paint some sort of brush on paint?

Tanuki · 02-13-2012, 07:06 AM

Yeah it is por15 white coat. I kind of wish I'd just used spray can auto paint

Darren · 02-13-2012, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tanuki

Darren,

So few people run here that they combine classes a lot. I will probably just jump into whatever class is biggest so that they can get prize money into that class. I think that a class must have 10+ cars before they start contingency/ prize money.

So for now, classing in the local nasa series should be fine. I will be running against most of my friends. Had I done the LS1 I would have moved classes though.

I may be wrong about the way they run classes, though here. Either way I will fit in somewhere and have some fun!

That's cool, i've had some dealings with scca type rules here with AutoX (we have no proper road tracks around here) so i know that changes can adversely affect your class and make you less competitive, even though the car is faster

Tanuki · 02-13-2012, 10:59 AM

^Yeah I think autox is always like that too.

Tanuki · 02-14-2012, 12:13 AM

Little bit of interior flare.

vehicle336 · 02-15-2012, 06:07 PM

^ That's actually a really good idea. Gotta keep an eye out for what's coming up behind you.

02-07-2012, 08:35 PM	#184
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02-08-2012, 08:53 AM	#186
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02-08-2012, 09:07 AM	#187
jefferz Zilvia Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: new jersey Age: 35 Posts: 218 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	deleted wall of text. __________________ S13 Coupe, S14 Kouki Crew Chief jeff Jones Racing Last edited by jefferz; 02-08-2012 at 12:52 PM..

02-11-2012, 08:36 AM	#197
irritatedmax Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ashland, NE Age: 38 Posts: 1,359 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	Forget the crappy 90s car...more pics of that truck! __________________ BRICKHOUSE PRODUCTS IG @brickhouse_products

02-11-2012, 08:44 AM	#199
irritatedmax Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ashland, NE Age: 38 Posts: 1,359 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	That thing is sickkkkkk. Props on the SR power. __________________ BRICKHOUSE PRODUCTS IG @brickhouse_products

01-15-2012, 10:19 PM	#182
Tanuki Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: South Jordan, Utah Posts: 226 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yeah for the question regarding licensing, I am probably running lap battle one more season and working on licensing as I can afford it. Thanks for te confirmation on the cage. You guys had me second guessing for a min there.

02-07-2012, 08:26 PM	#183
Tanuki Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: South Jordan, Utah Posts: 226 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well how about some cage updates? I think it has been a while, and this thing is almost done! Should be out of the shop on Friday!

02-08-2012, 08:18 AM	#185
Tanuki Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: South Jordan, Utah Posts: 226 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Thank you sir! I am getting excited to get this thing home so the motor can go in!

02-08-2012, 11:36 AM	#188
Tanuki Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: South Jordan, Utah Posts: 226 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^thanks for the wall of text, but that is misinformation, well I guess depending on what rule book you are looking at. Look up NASA 15.6.11 Thanks

02-08-2012, 02:32 PM	#190
Tanuki Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: South Jordan, Utah Posts: 226 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Why not quote the whole rule instead of the parts you are wanting to quote? 15.6.11 Rear Braces The main hoop must have two (2) braces extending to the rear. The braces shall be attached as near as possible to the top of the main hoop, and no more than six (6) inches below the top. The braces must not contain any bends. There must be at least 30 degrees between the plane of the main hoop and the plane of the rear braces. The main hoop rear braces shall be installed to form no more than a one hundred five (105) degree angle or no less than a seventy-five (75) degree angle with the main hoop when viewed from the top. The main hoop braces may be mounted at the rear shock mounts or suspension pickup points (providing that the braces remain in compliance with all other sections of the CCR). They may go through any rear bulkhead(s) provided the bulkhead(s) is sealed around the cage braces. There may be certain exceptions allowed for cars that cannot possible meet this “no bend” requirement. One exception is listed [Ref15.6.11.A)]. Other exceptions may be made (not guaranteed) if all of the required bars meet the specifications for a vehicle in the next heavier weight classification and the alternative design is submitted to the NASA National Office for special allowance. 15.6.11.A Rear Braces - Exceptions On cars where the rear window/bulkhead prohibits the installation of rear braces (Porsche 914, Pontiac Fiero, etc.) the main hoop must be attached to the body by plates welded to the cage and bolted to the stock shoulder harness mounting location. There must also be a diagonal bar connecting the top of the main hoop to the lower front passenger side mounting point (“Petty bar”). Some cars built for racing in other recognized sanctioning bodies may be granted a waiver of this rule, however they must show proof of compliance with the current published rules for their class. It does not say that it is required to mount to the shock mount or suspension pick up. It says that you can mount it there. The plates that are on there cover the rule. I have done my research and there is nothing on this cage that will not pass tech.

02-08-2012, 02:48 PM	#191
Prove It Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Palm Beach Posts: 230 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	It wont pass xdc , or fd. Like stated it must go to strut tower

02-08-2012, 06:02 PM	#195
Tanuki Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: South Jordan, Utah Posts: 226 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I have spoken with many people including a Continental Series Crew Chief and the Director of the Wasatch NASA Chapter. No one else has said that this design will be an issue. I do appreciate you looking out for me though. Not trying to be an ass about it at all either, just saying thanks for that.

02-11-2012, 08:32 AM	#196
Tanuki Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: South Jordan, Utah Posts: 226 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well yesterday was extremely busy. Basic schedule: Work: 7:30-1:30 Pull Engine from wrecked 240: 3-5 Pick up a trailer and head to cage shop: 6-8 Finish cage and bring home car: 8-12 But on the busy day was worth it. The car is now sitting in the garage, waiting for a new heart.

02-11-2012, 08:40 AM	#198
Tanuki Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: South Jordan, Utah Posts: 226 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	this is the only other pic I have:

02-11-2012, 10:50 PM	#200
Tanuki Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: South Jordan, Utah Posts: 226 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^Thank you sir. I don't have more pics of that datsun. I will try and get some soon. I started cleaning out the interior today using aircraft stripper. I got a lot of it done, but i need to finish going through it all and then start painting. I also need to drill some mounting points for the lap straps on the harness. Oh and the SR20 went in today. Motor was pulled and new motor mounted in less than 10 hours. Long day, but totally worth it. Here are specs on the engine: About the engine. I had it rebuilt at Element with new rod bearings stock rods forged pistons new head gasket new gasket and sill kit new s14 SR water pump (better flow than s13 water pump) The head is stock but has new lifters stock turbine on the engine but aftermarket exhaust manifold and dump pipe braided oil and coolant lines stage 2 single plate clutch w/ ligthened fly wheel Engine has a little less than 5k miles on it since rebuild. Engine, tranny, wiring harness (wired for S14), ecu, mafs, ignitor, r33 gtr intercooler w/ piping, and full exhaust. Here are a few new pics of the cage, swap, etc. The engine needs cleaned up and the valve cover needs some love, but it is all in and solid.

02-12-2012, 09:28 AM	#201
Darren Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: kelowna, bc, canada Age: 48 Posts: 680 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Are you able to keep your class with this swap? Sorry if this was covered

02-12-2012, 11:11 AM	#202
driftwhat Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Calgary Canada Age: 41 Posts: 328 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Wow man that's an amazing cage build!! __________________ I love haters!

02-12-2012, 06:35 PM	#203
Tanuki Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: South Jordan, Utah Posts: 226 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^thank you sir. I appreciate it! Decided to get started on painting the interior. Still a long ways to go.

02-12-2012, 06:37 PM	#204
Tanuki Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: South Jordan, Utah Posts: 226 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Darren, So few people run here that they combine classes a lot. I will probably just jump into whatever class is biggest so that they can get prize money into that class. I think that a class must have 10+ cars before they start contingency/ prize money. So for now, classing in the local nasa series should be fine. I will be running against most of my friends. Had I done the LS1 I would have moved classes though. I may be wrong about the way they run classes, though here. Either way I will fit in somewhere and have some fun!

02-13-2012, 04:57 AM	#205
irritatedmax Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ashland, NE Age: 38 Posts: 1,359 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	Is the interior paint some sort of brush on paint? __________________ BRICKHOUSE PRODUCTS IG @brickhouse_products

02-13-2012, 07:06 AM	#206
Tanuki Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: South Jordan, Utah Posts: 226 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yeah it is por15 white coat. I kind of wish I'd just used spray can auto paint

02-13-2012, 10:59 AM	#208
Tanuki Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: South Jordan, Utah Posts: 226 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^Yeah I think autox is always like that too.

02-14-2012, 12:13 AM	#209
Tanuki Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: South Jordan, Utah Posts: 226 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Little bit of interior flare.

02-15-2012, 06:07 PM	#210
vehicle336 Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Spocompton, WA Posts: 187 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^ That's actually a really good idea. Gotta keep an eye out for what's coming up behind you.