What car would you be driving if it was 1999?

[180sxmaniac]

Originally Posted by simmode1

WTF... RX8, 350Z, G35 coupe and Miata. If you don't wanna restrict yourself to just FR's, theres MR2 Spyder, WRX & EVO.

I think you're focused solely on the turbocharged element of the 90's FR's. I don't blame you. But the millennial offerings were still comparable in stock performance and were cheaper, in most cases after you account for inflation.

But for the original question, if it were 1999, I'd be shopping for a lightly used MR2 turbo just like I am right now.

I respect that,I'm definitely an FR layout guy and thats largely due to my 2005 Irwindale D1GP experience having the privilege to sit alongside Yasuyuki Kazama on a few test runs as he drove what is now the legendary Kei Office green S15. So for me turbo rwd cars that pull you out of your seat are what I consider fun cars. I think the cars you mentioned can be cool cars(wide wheels, stanced,nice fitments, aftermarket parts,etc) but I don't find them necessarily fun. The Evo and Sti are great I actually have nothing negative to say about those 2 monsters. Rx8 feels smooth but that's where all the good stops. z is too heavy and g35 isn't a sports car. Miata is a slow convertible so I guess it's a nice cruise around town car just not a sports car in my eyes. Mr2's aren't bad if you can find a turbo model.

[Bmxer300zx]

Originally Posted by 180sxmaniac

I respect that,I'm definitely an FR layout guy and thats largely due to my 2005 Irwindale D1GP experience having the privilege to sit alongside Yasuyuki Kazama on a few test runs as he drove what is now the legendary Kei Office green S15. So for me turbo rwd cars that pull you out of your seat are what I consider fun cars. I think the cars you mentioned can be cool cars(wide wheels, stanced,nice fitments, aftermarket parts,etc) but I don't find them necessarily fun. The Evo and Sti are great I actually have nothing negative to say about those 2 monsters. Rx8 feels smooth but that's where all the good stops. z is too heavy and g35 isn't a sports car. Miata is a slow convertible so I guess it's a nice cruise around town car just not a sports car in my eyes. Mr2's aren't bad if you can find a turbo model.

My buddies g35 makes a bit over 450whp on spray and boltons was recently spotlighted on version2 with slicks outback caused quite an uproar lol.
350z is swappable and nimble but to the average person expensive. Rx8 meh I've seen some dope ones even in drifting circuit. Far as the miata goes slap a t28 on it and see what happens at the weight and 50/50 balance becomes quite the car. Just may look a lil feminine driving it haha.
Question is if it was 99 would you be able to afford all these early 90's cars and mod them? Same as the mid 2000 cars you say arn't good Fr layout they are it's just money and time and cheaper to mod old 240's, 300's, rx7's. Far as a mk4 supra goes have fun at the prices I see those I'd buy a NSX and call it a day.

[180sxmaniac]

Originally Posted by Bmxer300zx

My buddies g35 makes a bit over 450whp on spray and boltons was recently spotlighted on version2 with slicks outback caused quite an uproar lol.
350z is swappable and nimble but to the average person expensive. Rx8 meh I've seen some dope ones even in drifting circuit. Far as the miata goes slap a t28 on it and see what happens at the weight and 50/50 balance becomes quite the car. Just may look a lil feminine driving it haha.
Question is if it was 99 would you be able to afford all these early 90's cars and mod them? Same as the mid 2000 cars you say arn't good Fr layout they are it's just money and time and cheaper to mod old 240's, 300's, rx7's. Far as a mk4 supra goes have fun at the prices I see those I'd buy a NSX and call it a day.

I respect your opinion as well but I think you kind've said it in a nutshell most of the mid 2000s cars require a swap or nos or tons of bolt ons to really enjoy them. If i was the age I am now during 99 I think I could probably afford everything except a VR4,FD,Supra, and NSX. Realistically in 99 I would've opted for a lightly used FC turbo or a zenki s14(I like the zenki face more than the kouki). I've driven modified versions of all the cars you've mentioned I just prefer cars that don't require motor swaps to enjoy them and that's the biggest issues I have about most of the 2000s car in particular the FRS.

[Bmxer300zx]

Originally Posted by 180sxmaniac

I respect your opinion as well but I think you kind've said it in a nutshell most of the mid 2000s cars require a swap or nos or tons of bolt ons to really enjoy them. If i was the age I am now during 99 I think I could probably afford everything except a VR4,FD,Supra, and NSX. Realistically in 99 I would've opted for a lightly used FC turbo or a zenki s14(I like the zenki face more than the kouki). I've driven modified versions of all the cars you've mentioned I just prefer cars that don't require motor swaps to enjoy them and that's the biggest issues I have about most of the 2000s car in particular the FRS.

I hear ya man. But at the same time a s14 isnt all that great in stock form lol it's slow as shit and stock very bland. A z33 is funner and more powerfull stock vs stock. In 99 a s14 being only 3/4yrs old is still gona hold a hefty price tag lol And to swap and mod on top.
Fuck my cressida off the showroom floor was a $28,000 luxury car in 92 haha. I paid $650 for it 3years ago and is the funnest thing I've ever owned to date. But I sure as hell wouldn't pay 10k or w.e it was in 99 and modify it lol. Granted who in their right mind mods a cressida lmao.
I will say I wish it was 99 there's to many illestjdmhellaflush cars and drifters nowdays haha. Evrything is beat to shit from pre 90's as well.

[180sxmaniac]

Originally Posted by Bmxer300zx

I hear ya man. But at the same time a s14 isnt all that great in stock form lol it's slow as shit and stock very bland. A z33 is funner and more powerfull stock vs stock. In 99 a s14 being only 3/4yrs old is still gona hold a hefty price tag lol And to swap and mod on top.
Fuck my cressida off the showroom floor was a $28,000 luxury car in 92 haha. I paid $650 for it 3years ago and is the funnest thing I've ever owned to date. But I sure as hell wouldn't pay 10k or w.e it was in 99 and modify it lol. Granted who in their right mind mods a cressida lmao.
I will say I wish it was 99 there's to many illestjdmhellaflush cars and drifters nowdays haha. Evrything is beat to shit from pre 90's as well.

Yessir those s14's still hold a hefty price tag, here in socal stock ka zenki's go for almost 10k you would think the president initiated an executive order to intentionally charge drift tax it's pretty bad but your absolutely right all the 90s car are beat to hell. I actually ran into a middle aged guy at a Pep Boys few days ago with a 92 180sx body original stock motor and original red paint job, engine bay looked very clean,everything fully loaded moon roof, power everything, original wheels that looked brand new, he had only 57k on the chassis. I tried to buy it off him right then and there for 4k but he told me it was a hand me down car that he got from his parents so he would never be selling it, but a 90s car like that is virtually impossible to find. I'm just hoping these rx8's keep losing their value so I can buy the body for like 5k and sr swap it!

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by 180sxmaniac

I respect that,I'm definitely an FR layout guy and thats largely due to my 2005 Irwindale D1GP experience having the privilege to sit alongside Yasuyuki Kazama on a few test runs as he drove what is now the legendary Kei Office green S15. So for me turbo rwd cars that pull you out of your seat are what I consider fun cars. I think the cars you mentioned can be cool cars(wide wheels, stanced,nice fitments, aftermarket parts,etc) but I don't find them necessarily fun. The Evo and Sti are great I actually have nothing negative to say about those 2 monsters. Rx8 feels smooth but that's where all the good stops. z is too heavy and g35 isn't a sports car. Miata is a slow convertible so I guess it's a nice cruise around town car just not a sports car in my eyes. Mr2's aren't bad if you can find a turbo model.

Blah blah blah -

The Z/G are no heavier than the GT-R, Supra and Z32 of yesteryear. They are also just as much a "sports car" as a S-chasis, Supra and the Z-series of the past.

Turbos? Somehow i think that Kei Office car was modified, and honestly, all the 90's turbo cars - in stock trim - suck balls.

They suck big giant hairy lice covered donkey balls.

It's not until you start modifying and upgrading them that anything gets interesting, and honestly, you can modify new N/A cars too... Just look at the success they are having with the FRZ - $6k turbo kits are putting down 400whp. You are swapping the exact same parts on a SR-S13/14 to get the same results, so starting with a suck-ass t25 and 3" IC doesn't exactly mean squat in the end.


The only thing lost from the 90's are some of the crazy over built Japanese engines. The JZ, 4g63, VG30 and 3GSTE come to mind. You could run crazy boost without even opening the engines. SR gets honorable mentions because while they don't make huge numbers like an Evo - they get abused to no end by all the idiot kids that work on them and just take it .


But there is hope. The 4.6 DOHC S/C engine from Ford was and is a fucking monster. Pound for Pound it womps the 2JZ. GM continues to produce mind-boggling LS motors making crazy power and the new FA Subaru motor is everyone's hope for fixing all the issues from that garbage EJ-series.


BMW's turbo motors are also supposedly crazy wicked.

K-series pwnz the B-series
Mazda and Fords turbo engines rock
The 2.4 SRT-4 engine is stuff of legends

[180sxmaniac]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Blah blah blah -

The Z/G are no heavier than the GT-R, Supra and Z32 of yesteryear. They are also just as much a "sports car" as a S-chasis, Supra and the Z-series of the past.

Turbos? Somehow i think that Kei Office car was modified, and honestly, all the 90's turbo cars - in stock trim - suck balls.

They suck big giant hairy lice covered donkey balls.

It's not until you start modifying and upgrading them that anything gets interesting, and honestly, you can modify new N/A cars too... Just look at the success they are having with the FRZ - $6k turbo kits are putting down 400whp. You are swapping the exact same parts on a SR-S13/14 to get the same results, so starting with a suck-ass t25 and 3" IC doesn't exactly mean squat in the end.


The only thing lost from the 90's are some of the crazy over built Japanese engines. The JZ, 4g63, VG30 and 3GSTE come to mind. You could run crazy boost without even opening the engines. SR gets honorable mentions because while they don't make huge numbers like an Evo - they get abused to no end by all the idiot kids that work on them and just take it .


But there is hope. The 4.6 DOHC S/C engine from Ford was and is a fucking monster. Pound for Pound it womps the 2JZ. GM continues to produce mind-boggling LS motors making crazy power and the new FA Subaru motor is everyone's hope for fixing all the issues from that garbage EJ-series.


BMW's turbo motors are also supposedly crazy wicked.

K-series pwnz the B-series
Mazda and Fords turbo engines rock
The 2.4 SRT-4 engine is stuff of legends

You made some good points, Z/G are as heavy as the GTR,Supra, and Z32 only thing is they don't make nearly the power in their stock form. Yes that Kei Office S15 was modified but it had the SpecR Sr20 original motor along with nos and other goodies but not 60k worth of modifications like alot of these sponsored drift cars. Not hating just stating the facts. When on I go on the T86 forums and ask the guys their what kind of mods they've done only a select few( not even 1 out of 10) have voided their warranty and added superchargers/turbos so although that might be an option it's not practical for people who dd their 86 who want to have fun, now maybe for the track junkie or a sponsored driver but not for the mass majority. The original post was regarding in particular JAPANESE FR LAYOUT cars but since you've mentioned GM and BMW we can go there as well. No doubt LS motors are great but I was talking sport cars not muscle cars, there clearly is a difference. BMW has some nice motors available like in their 135i and 335i but when you can get a fully loaded 335i near the same price as the Shelby Gt500 its blasphemous if you ask me. German cars are too expensive to play in,not to mention how heavy they are the people over at BMW really should put their so called sport cars on a diet,but that's just me

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by 180sxmaniac

You made some good points, Z/G are as heavy as the GTR,Supra, and Z32 only thing is they don't make nearly the power in their stock form. Yes that Kei Office S15 was modified but it had the SpecR Sr20 original motor along with nos and other goodies but not 60k worth of modifications like alot of these sponsored drift cars. Not hating just stating the facts. When on I go on the T86 forums and ask the guys their what kind of mods they've done only a select few( not even 1 out of 10) have voided their warranty and added superchargers/turbos so although that might be an option it's not practical for people who dd their 86 who want to have fun, now maybe for the track junkie or a sponsored driver but not for the mass majority. The original post was regarding in particular JAPANESE FR LAYOUT cars but since you've mentioned GM and BMW we can go there as well. No doubt LS motors are great but I was talking sport cars not muscle cars, there clearly is a difference. BMW has some nice motors available like in 135i and 335i but when you can get a fully loaded 335i near the same price as the Shelby Gt500 its blasphemous if you ask me. German cars are too expensive to play,not to mention how heavy they are the poeple over at BMW really ought to put their so called sport cars on a diet,but that's just me

The Modern Japanese sports cars are within 10-30hp of the Super Sports carTs. They turn similar quarter miles for a fraction of the price or complexity while also have loads more safety and technology features.

I don't follow your tangent about the Kei Office car vs other modern pro-drifters. Drifting is a sport - a sport that generates money. Without rules limiting modifications the cars will continue to get more outrageous and expensive. People hate on NASCAR for not being F1 but at the end of the day - only Ferrari competes in F1 while NASCAR has over 180 teams and you still see smaller teams and independence race. This is because the rules in NASCAR make it possible to build and support a car for the fraction of the price of a F1 car. Cheap cars and cheap racing seasons mean more people can play and be competitive. I'm all for a two class Drift-series.

As far as the new FRZ owners not modifying their cars - duh. They are brand new cars. In 1993 people didn't walk into a Toyota dealership, drop 45k down (nearly 65k today) on a Supra TT and immediately modify it for 700whp. Same is true for the 240SX - it wasn't until ~2000 that people began swapping engines and creating the scene we know today.


Muscle cars... MUSCLE CARS. Puhleazzz. That term makes me think of 4,000lb 30ft long cars from the 1960's like the Charger RT, Impala SS and GTO. Today's Pony Cars - the Camaro and Mustang, are fucking killing it. Mustang GT nearly matches and M3 in performance and the Boss fucking body slams it's Teutonic ass into the tarmac. While both are "weighty", they are handle and brake extremely well. Aftermarket is limitless.

The Corvette (LS-engines) is an honest to god sports car, unlike the Supra, 300ZX, 240SX, etc.

As far as BMW's pricing - leave off the options! It's not like a Supra MKIV came with HIDs, DVD Nav, Bluetooth iPond sink, heated-cooled-vibrating-ball-massasing sports seats, SMG III, etc. But I hear you on the price - but as I've stated, the Super Sports cars where all in the $45-60k range back in the day, in today's money. They where only bargain's in that they offered Ferrari + Lamburgini performance numbers for a quarter the price.

[180sxmaniac]

Originally Posted by Corbic

The Modern Japanese sports cars are within 10-30hp of the Super Sports carTs. They turn similar quarter miles for a fraction of the price or complexity while also have loads more safety and technology features.

I don't follow your tangent about the Kei Office car vs other modern pro-drifters. Drifting is a sport - a sport that generates money. Without rules limiting modifications the cars will continue to get more outrageous and expensive. People hate on NASCAR for not being F1 but at the end of the day - only Ferrari competes in F1 while NASCAR has over 180 teams and you still see smaller teams and independence race. This is because the rules in NASCAR make it possible to build and support a car for the fraction of the price of a F1 car. Cheap cars and cheap racing seasons mean more people can play and be competitive. I'm all for a two class Drift-series.

As far as the new FRZ owners not modifying their cars - duh. They are brand new cars. In 1993 people didn't walk into a Toyota dealership, drop 45k down (nearly 65k today) on a Supra TT and immediately modify it for 700whp. Same is true for the 240SX - it wasn't until ~2000 that people began swapping engines and creating the scene we know today.


Muscle cars... MUSCLE CARS. Puhleazzz. That term makes me think of 4,000lb 30ft long cars from the 1960's like the Charger RT, Impala SS and GTO. Today's Pony Cars - the Camaro and Mustang, are fucking killing it. Mustang GT nearly matches and M3 in performance and the Boss fucking body slams it's Teutonic ass into the tarmac. While both are "weighty", they are handle and brake extremely well. Aftermarket is limitless.

The Corvette (LS-engines) is an honest to god sports car, unlike the Supra, 300ZX, 240SX, etc.

As far as BMW's pricing - leave off the options! It's not like a Supra MKIV came with HIDs, DVD Nav, Bluetooth iPond sink, heated-cooled-vibrating-ball-massasing sports seats, SMG III, etc. But I hear you on the price - but as I've stated, the Super Sports cars where all in the $45-60k range back in the day, in today's money. They where only bargain's in that they offered Ferrari + Lamburgini performance numbers for a quarter the price.

Yea I like a few of the american cars on the current market. Z06 and in particular the ShelbyGT500. That car is a blast and is probably the only sport car/super car that is worth it's price. Drove that car few months ago and it's the total package and has everything you would want in a car and it felt great even though it was tail happy even with traction control on. I appreciate cars like that and I would classify that car as fun. I still separate most of the american muscle from the sport car department because I don't feel they're track(not drag strips) friendly cars. Yes they're heavy but they need to be so that those powerful motors don't put the driver at risk for daily driving, I don't have a problem with their weight they definitely are considered GOD at least here on the 405 freeway nothing can compare but on the track they are average at best. I do agree that the MUSCLE CLASS has definitely made serious strides and they have almost evened the playing field if your looking for the best bang for the buck sporty car.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by 180sxmaniac

Yea I like a few of the american cars on the current market. Z06 and in particular the ShelbyGT500. That car is a blast and is probably the only sport car/super car that is worth it's price. Drove that car few months ago and it's the total package and has everything you would want in a car and it felt great even though it was tail happy even with traction control on. I appreciate cars like that and I would classify that car as fun. I still separate most of the american muscle from the sport car department because I don't feel they're track(not drag strips) friendly cars. Yes they're heavy but they need to be so that those powerful motors don't put the driver at risk for daily driving, I don't have a problem with their weight they definitely are considered GOD at least here on the 405 freeway nothing can compare but on the track they are average at best. I do agree that the MUSCLE CLASS has definitely made serious strides and they have almost evened the playing field if your looking for the best bang for the buck sporty car.

Once again, on a tack - like with turns, a Mustang GT nearly matches the holly-grail M3 and the Boss destroys the M3. The Mustang is a solid car on the track stock and with aftermarket can be made into a monster.

[180sxmaniac]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Once again, on a tack - like with turns, a Mustang GT nearly matches the holly-grail M3 and the Boss destroys the M3. The Mustang is a solid car on the track stock and with aftermarket can be made into a monster.

Ok I'll take your word on it because I've never been on a time attack track with another mustang so I honestly wouldn't know