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10-07-2013, 05:28 PM | #33 |
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10-09-2013, 08:08 PM | #36 |
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There is no excuse in the 21st century for any American to not have health coverage.
If we reduced our military spending by 75%, we'd still be spending more than any other country. It is completely asinine to discuss ANY OTHER SUBJECT when looking to reduce spending. EVERY OTHER THING YOU CAN THINK OF is a drop in the bucket compared to our out of control "defense" budget. We have more military bases around the world than there are countries. We spend more on our military than the next ten nations combined. People having healthcare is not the problem. People having healthcare is not A problem. My healthcare keeps my teeth white, my eyes covered in nice new glasses every year, and when I get prostate cancer, they'll take it out instead of letting me die slowly, and this runs me about $60/month. If you don't have health insurance, you're either poor as shit or stupid as fuck. Canada has universal health insurance, you fucking ponce. Good luck finding a first world country that doesn't.
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10-09-2013, 08:48 PM | #38 |
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so your solution is to legislate health insurance by forcing private citizens?
Who gives a shit if every other country does it. If everyone jumped off a cliff, you'd jump too? Yeah our military spending is out of control. But all that is nothing but debt spending, replacing it with more debt spending on health care isn't going to change shit. Of course these are the same Einsteins that tell us that insurance tied to your employment is STUPID. Gee I wonder who wrote that into the tax code decades ago? The same idiots who now say it's BAD. Now they're telling us this further intervention is going to be the best thing ever. It's going to work this time because they CARE about you. Laws of economics be damned. |
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There are plenty of people who are stupid as fuck, you included, that think we need to cut military spending. Why wouldn't you want a shit ton going to protecting your freedoms against people who plot everyday to kill Americans and our way of life? I'd go broke to make sure our country, its freedoms and most of all troop aren't hindered in any way. This reform is going to add 1.3 trillion to our debt, but you want to cut military spending? Retarded, go home you're drunk Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 4 |
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10-10-2013, 08:31 AM | #41 |
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Whether you believe everyone should be personally responsible for their health insurance or not - All of us who do have health insurance are on the hook for those that do not have it. So you socialist idiots who think you are invincible - stop being so socialist and leaching off my premiums and get your own shit! PS. I think this conservative ACA, initially put forward by the Heritage Foundation, is poopy. |
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obamacare is just another attack on the middle class. I am all for universal health care for everyone but that is not what obamacare is. The only people it hurts are the middle class families who employers do not provide health care and small business's. The poor get medicare and the rich don't give a fuck.
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10-29-2013, 11:54 AM | #43 | |
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10-29-2013, 04:18 PM | #44 | |
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10-30-2013, 09:45 AM | #45 |
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the lower class will be hurt by obamacare too, no doubt. But, they also qualify for huge amounts of subsidies and other aid from our wonderful government, where as the middle class does not, and pay out the ass in taxes already. Isn't that just wonderful.
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Why force people to do things that they do not want/agree with? unless we are living in under the communism or ruled by a dictator? Simple as that. |
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11-05-2013, 10:25 AM | #47 |
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Because all people will eventually require medical care of some sort. If you don't have insurance then who is going to pay for your medical bills?
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Insurance - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary : an agreement in which a person makes regular payments to a company and the company promises to pay money if the person is injured or dies, or to pay money equal to the value of something (such as a house or car) if it is damaged, lost, or stolen If you don't pay for insurance, then the person who gets injured is suppose to pay, duh. It's business. And, if you believe people should receive free health care/universal health care then you study to become a doctor and live the rest of your life providing free health care for no pay. |
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11-05-2013, 08:38 PM | #49 | |
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How can you say all people will eventually require medical care? You speak for every single human being? You want insurance? go head good for you. you don't? better know risk not having one but good for you. |
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11-05-2013, 10:30 PM | #51 | |
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Good luck to seeing the doctor when you need. Either your sickness will be gone or you are ganna be die before you get to see the doctor. So what people would do?, go to ER and get the job done. And somehow we have to pay for their ER bills? You don't have an argument here. |
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11-05-2013, 10:56 PM | #52 |
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K, you're not even good at strawmen or obfuscation... did you even read that stuff before posting it? I could crush my own side of this disagreement, compared to that feeble crap you wrote.
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11-05-2013, 11:20 PM | #54 | |
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I meant, did you read your own posts, not did you read the Affordable Care Act, as a competent speaker of english would have understood. The Affordable Care Act was not the subject of my post, your pathetic attempt at debate was. |
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I was not trying to debate. I was just expressing my thoughts on obamacare is all. |
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What percentage of people do you figure will never require some sort of medical care? Is this really your argument? Quote:
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11-06-2013, 07:23 AM | #59 | |
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You do have the choice. You have to pay a penalty because when you need insurance and don't have it then someone else has to pay for your medical bills. Like I said before, the individual mandate that requires you to carry insurance was originally proposed by republicans (more specifically, the Heritage Foundation, a right-wing organization), and advocated by people like Newt Gingrich to eliminate what they called "free riders" (or those poor people seeking care for free in the ER). |
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11-06-2013, 01:48 PM | #60 |
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Actually, democrats originally advocated the single-payer healthcare system (where the government covers healthcare costs instead of insurance companies). They compromised with republicans in 2009/2010 to get the healthcare reform version that we have today (which is essentially Romneycare). [QUOTE] The Democrats actually did almost no compromising. They controlled the White House, Senate, and House in those years and took almost no Republican input. Also, the ACA is almost nothing like Romneycare. Romneycare was only a 75 page bill, the ACA is 11,000. The left loves to say how Romneycare was what the ACA was designed from, but it is simply not true.
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