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Old 09-25-2004, 11:51 AM   #1
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ha ha and you thought he was the next Ronald Reagan!

I'll stick to dodging hurricanes thanks
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Old 09-25-2004, 11:53 AM   #2
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I wonder if those jackasses that introduced these damn smog laws are actually enviromental scientists, or do they just sit behind their desk relying on some data given to them. Sometime I feel like these politicians look the other way and use the general car population as a scapegoat to this whole polution issue. Why don't they focuse more on the heavy machines industry like semis and tractors/farm equipments etc.. Ever seen the shit that spew out from those diesel semis?!? Lobbying power.
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Old 09-25-2004, 01:17 PM   #3
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I'm personally sore about it cus it does away with the 30 year exemption.. which means basically, in effect, that, even in 20 years, our SR/CA/KA-T setups will never be smog-proof.

As far as the classic cars go, pre-75 vehicles are still exempt, which is great, its just that cars don't become exempt after 30 years anymore... which still blows, IMHO.

I read, in the article, that the woman that proposed the bill had her office under CHP guard because of death threats she received... she also desrcibed a "deluge" of phone calls, emails, faxes etc that she received regarding the measure.

Perhaps that's a sign... :P
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Old 09-25-2004, 02:32 PM   #4
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just a fun fact. 70 percent of the Green house gases are produced by the Earth's ocean.
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Old 09-26-2004, 12:19 PM   #5
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I'm pretty sure the main concern here is smog in the major cities-- to which transportation is a major cause (most research I find puts motor vehicles at least 50% at fault here). On the broader scale, it is a lesser concern. Whether or not these regulations are the right way to go about combatting smog is a serious question. I don't doubt they'll be effective. . . but I'd say better (or more widely used) public transportation is the way to go. Look at it this way: A bus with 30 people burns much less fuel and sends off fewer noxious gasses than 30 cars with one person each.

Keep in mind that this seems to primarily effect new cars. You likely won't see a difference.

I'll admit, this move sounds mostly political. Most of the bad ideas of our time have been political. . . You guys need to get some new people running that place :P
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cali sucks plain and simple im glad i dont deal with that shit. what about all those crappy ass laws its unbelievable! its really a political move as always but as previously said its always the cars they target. i see trucks going down the road you cant drive behind from the smell and see huge black clouds rise from producing the emissions of 100 cars, and big smelly piggish industrial areas burning tons of crap but we dont wanna target them oh no! if they cared about emissions they would hit it where it matters...
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hmm I think this has offically made me not want to move to cali *along with other gay shit like high prices on houses and ferrets being illegal*

I guess its time to scope out oregan.... the roads around there are supposedly great
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Here's a related article--no more loopholes for the classics

Classic Car Lovers Dismayed by New Law

Mon Sep 27,10:48 AM ET

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Lovers of California's classic cars, celebrated in the Beach Boys song for "fun, fun, fun," worried that a new state law could take their T-birds and little deuce coupes away.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (news - web sites) has signed a bill requiring that cars 30 years and older be tested under California's strict smog regulations, closing a loophole over the protests of classic car collectors, including "Tonight Show" host Jay Leno.

Aides said the bill signed on Thursday would help the state's air quality. California also approved the nation's most stringent rules to reduce auto emissions linked to global warming this week.

But classic car hobbyists argued their cars have little effect on the state's smog.

"We're not too excited about it. The impact on the environment by classic cars is minimal," said John Halstead, president of the Bakersfield Camaro Club. "Most of the cars don't make it out of the garage for any other reason than for car shows once or twice a month in the summer."

The exact number of classic cars in California is unknown, but the state has hundreds of clubs for car hobbyists.

Leno, on whose show Schwarzenegger announced he would run for governor, protested personally against the bill, said Marva Diaz, legislative director for Assembly Member Sally Lieber, who wrote the bill.

Leno called Lieber's office twice to register his displeasure, Diaz said.

"He was very upset the first time," Diaz said. "He thought his whole collection would have to be smog-checked."

"The second time he called he was upset because he had been told the assemblywomen had said on the radio that he supported the bill," Diaz said. "He wanted to make sure it was clear to me to tell her that he remained opposed."
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