S13/S14 to 350Z

[jr_ss]

Originally Posted by simmode1

^^^One of the many reasons I'm liking the S2000 more and more. I can only hope that the driftards continue to steer clear of it. What a terrible fate awaits the thousands of cheap 350Z's on the road today...

Maybe, just maybe, they'll move on from the 240's when they are cheap enough to drift into a wall.

[ixfxi]

Originally Posted by simmode1

Gonna be honest, after I leave the 240 world, I'm going to S2000's. Honda chassis engineering and the F20/22C are pretty damn amazing in that package. Makes me not so scared of N/A to turbo projects anymore. GTX3076r on the S2K = Oh, hello low end torque! Kicks the raw dog shit out of the Z33 in terms of power production. Plus the S2k still looks good on 17's, which means tires are less expensive. Not necessarily a strong pick for drifting though.

Chassis & suspension felt good, (lack of) torque from motor felt like poo. S2000's are good cars though, but its a convertible... and a convertible will always be a convertible. Once you own one, you'll know what I am talking about. Good rigidity, all things considered.

Plus, its pretty sad how often their seats get stolen..

Originally Posted by TMW

i like the s2000 a lot, but the fact that its not really too "driftable" steers me away from them

Says who? I had no problem sliding the S2000. I found the Z33 more snappy and difficult to control.

[simmode1]

^^^Shhh... just let him think what he wants. Yeah, S2000's CAN'T be drifted...

I'm also not a fan of its lack of torque in stock form, but what that motor is capable of when turbo'd is nothing short of amazing to me. That is one crazy flowing head. Smokes even a SR20VET VVL, I think, in terms of flow.

As for the convertible, yeah, I'd prefer a T-Top really like the SW20 MR2 or Z32TT. But lets be honest: S2000 is dramatically superior to them. I think I can live with the vert top, but there are hard top options.

Originally Posted by jr_ss

Maybe, just maybe, they'll move on from the 240's when they are cheap enough to drift into a wall.

Dude, this is already happening. The Z33 is already becoming the cheap weapon of choice for drifters. Grab a 2003, get coilovers, Welded diff, straight pipe. Boom. Ready to go. No expensive mods like engine swaps are needed. The broad powerband takes all the work out of building an amatuer drift car, so the lazy asses are flocking to it for the relative simplicity.

[ixfxi]

Originally Posted by simmode1

I'm also not a fan of its lack of torque in stock form, but what that motor is capable of when turbo'd is nothing short of amazing to me. That is one crazy flowing head. Smokes even a SR20VET VVL, I think, in terms of flow.

honda is not known for over-engineering their cars. what i mean is, they're engineered to support what they make (unlike toyota, for example)

i may be wrong here (though i doubt it), but the rear-end in the s2000 (7" ring gear) cant handle too much power and the high-compression isnt exactly turbo friendly. i would think if you start boosting, you're going to need internals and stronger drivetrain...

going NA -> turbo isnt a walk in the park. do it wrong and your car can easily become a garbage can...... you know, like most of the builds here.

[jr_ss]

Originally Posted by simmode1

^^^Shhh... just let him think what he wants. Yeah, S2000's CAN'T be drifted...

I'm also not a fan of its lack of torque in stock form, but what that motor is capable of when turbo'd is nothing short of amazing to me. That is one crazy flowing head. Smokes even a SR20VET VVL, I think, in terms of flow.

Dude, this is already happening. The Z33 is already becoming the cheap weapon of choice for drifters. Grab a 2003, get coilovers, Welded diff, straight pipe. Boom. Ready to go. No expensive mods like engine swaps are needed. The broad powerband takes all the work out of building an amatuer drift car, so the lazy asses are flocking to it for the relative simplicity.

Honda heads flow extremely well, hell even the 4G63 and 4B11 heads flow better than the VVL heads. This is because of the valve angle. S2K heads have their valves almost vertical in the head, which is great for flow.

I know "some" have moved on, I'm hoping all the new fucking retards that have come to the scene will in the end.

Originally Posted by ixfxi

honda is not known for over-engineering their cars. what i mean is, they're engineered to support what they make (unlike toyota, for example)

i may be wrong here (though i doubt it), but the rear-end in the s2000 (7" ring gear) cant handle too much power and the high-compression isnt exactly turbo friendly. i would think if you start boosting, you're going to need internals and stronger drivetrain...

going NA -> turbo isnt a walk in the park. do it wrong and your car can easily become a garbage can...... you know, like most of the builds here.

AP1 S2K rear ends are glass. I've seen a few people blow them. The AP2 seems to be a bit stronger, but not by a large margin. I believe a common swap is to an RX7 rear end, but I'm not sure what all is involved with that.

The nice thing is their motors are fully forged from the factory. Good looking cars, I'm not generally a vert fan, but the Spoon or OE hardtop change the game quite a bit.