The Future Automotive Thread

[Matej]

Nothing will be the next 240SX. People are not as into cars and drifting as they were in the 2000s.

[dorkidori_s13]

^^^ sadly that is the cold hard truth.

[VROOOM]

Originally Posted by vanish1

lol as compared to what?

for what application?

would you like your cake to eat as well?

I thought you guys were talking about the MZR engine in the MS3. the power drops off considerably about 1k rpms before redline. it almost feels like you hit a limiter or something

[simmode1]

It just saddened me how the Genesis coupe gets dogged. Ppl complain about its weight but its lighter than a 350z. Ppl complain about the handling like the aftermatket can't fix that. Ppl complain about the looks like it can't be changed. Geez... It's all good though. More cheap untapped potential for the rest of us.

Oh & sidenote: early 335i coupes are about $13k now too & there are fixes for that floaty steering response ppl complain about. HR Z's are around $10k....

What a great time to be into cheap FR coupes.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by simmode1

Sooo... I looked on Craigslist for Genesis Coupes just for shits & giggles. Saw a 2010 2.0t for about $13k. Lost half it's damn value to depreciation in just 4 short years. Yeahhhhhh.... I think that's the future 240sx right thur... Turbo FR power for cheap AF. They've got an assload of bolt-on turbo options now, including the familiar Garrett line. Bet money the FRS isn't $13k after only 4 years... lol

That is typical depreciation. Doesn't help that the cars got interior and power boosts almost immediately.

[VROOOM]

One of the reasons Hyundai resale value sucks is the 100k warranty does not transfer to the 2nd owner

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by VROOOM

One of the reasons Hyundai resale value sucks is the 100k warranty does not transfer to the 2nd owner

Why should it?

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by VROOOM

One of the reasons Hyundai resale value sucks is the 100k warranty does not transfer to the 2nd owner

Yeah, but it's not like you get stuck with zero coverage. The 2nd owner still gets 5-year/60,000-mile coverage on the powertrain.... Essentially matching what most other manufacturers do anyway. My buddy's 2011 2.0t is preowned and he's had zero problems getting the dealer to maintanence it. Other than the annoying hanging revs, the car has been problem free & extremely fun. Only real problem he's had is finding someone local to reflash the ECU without bending him over first. But since he's planning on upgrading to the 2nd gen 3.8L, he's not caring too much about turbo BPU's at the moment.

[S14DB]

Originally Posted by Matej

Nothing will be the next 240SX. People are not as into cars and drifting as they were in the 2000s.

Because that's all people do with the 240SX...

[vanish1]

Originally Posted by VROOOM

I thought you guys were talking about the MZR engine in the MS3. the power drops off considerably about 1k rpms before redline. it almost feels like you hit a limiter or something

whether were talking about the mz3 engine or the miata engine the point remains the same.

Its the application of the motor that matters, daily driver, race car, king of the streets , be more specific in your generalizations.

Originally Posted by simmode1

Oh & sidenote: early 335i coupes are about $13k now too & there are fixes for that floaty steering response ppl complain about. HR Z's are around $10k....

you cant fix electronic power steering. $13k will buy you a neglected e9x, most likely ragged on, and the owner is getting rid of it because the warranty expired. Used DI motors I would also be leery of buying if they have not had a walnut blasting on the intake valves.

for 13k youre better off getting an E46 M3, E39 M5, or older M.

With that said though if you got that certain itch for easy boost, a bpu jb4 tuned n54/n55 is hard to beat.

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by vanish1

you cant fix electronic power steering. $13k will buy you a neglected e9x, most likely ragged on, and the owner is getting rid of it because the warranty expired. Used DI motors I would also be leery of buying if they have not had a walnut blasting on the intake valves.

for 13k youre better off getting an E46 M3, E39 M5, or older M.

With that said though if you got that certain itch for easy boost, a bpu jb4 tuned n54/n55 is hard to beat.

Totally agree, but things can be improved quite a bit. I was reading up on a bimmer board reviewing a 335i coupe that had upgraded to M3 suspension components & tested is on the Nurburgring. The results were very encouraging. And no doubt that a $13k 335i is likely to be haggard. That's bottom of the barrel pricing. I was just illustrating the direction they were going & how fast they were going there. I'll probably hold off a few years till the single turbo N55 335i's or maybe even when the 228i/235's get cheap as long as I can find one with a 6spd trans. JB4 + BPU's is definitely the way to go on those cars.

[kingkilburn]

S chassis drift easily due to bad rear subframe design(shit tons of antisquat). It shouldn't be a concern of any new rwd sports/y car.

Just give people a balanced equation of cost, weight, power, size, and handling. It doesn't need to be the best thing ever. It needs to be competent and good value.

[DreamN]

Originally Posted by VROOOM

One of the reasons Hyundai resale value sucks is the 100k warranty does not transfer to the 2nd owner

A lot of warranties don't transfer over.

[Matej]

Originally Posted by S14DB

Because that's all people do with the 240SX...

That is what made the 240SX as popular as it is, whether you like drifting or not.
The drift craze hit in the early 2000s and the 240SX just happened to be there as the readily available/affordable platform.
You can thank drifting for 90% of the aftermarket available for it and for the fact that there are still new parts being made for it today.

[vanish1]

Originally Posted by simmode1

Totally agree, but things can be improved quite a bit. I was reading up on a bimmer board reviewing a 335i coupe that had upgraded to M3 suspension components & tested is on the Nurburgring. The results were very encouraging. And no doubt that a $13k 335i is likely to be haggard. That's bottom of the barrel pricing. I was just illustrating the direction they were going & how fast they were going there. I'll probably hold off a few years till the single turbo N55 335i's or maybe even when the 228i/235's get cheap as long as I can find one with a 6spd trans. JB4 + BPU's is definitely the way to go on those cars.

M bushings are an upgrade for both the 1 and 3 series E8/9x chassis. Most M parts are upgrades for their non M counterparts. All the different bushings in the world still arent going to change the numb feedback from the EPS.

Ive seen locally n54 e9x's in the 8-10k range but those were rebuilt title pos....still theyre all going to keep depreciating hard. (you can buy a 02+ 7 series now for under 10k lawls)

[kingkilburn]

Drifting has little to do with the s13 being so damned popular that it got reissued concurrent with the s14 and continuing in production near to the end of the s15.

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by vanish1

M bushings are an upgrade for both the 1 and 3 series E8/9x chassis. Most M parts are upgrades for their non M counterparts. All the different bushings in the world still arent going to change the numb feedback from the EPS.

I'll be honest. I'm probably not accomplished enough as a driver to be bothered by the EPS or even notice it in daily use as highway bruiser & boosted grocery getter. Those cars just tick too many of the right boxes for me to ignore them just because the power steering is vague.

I mean, c'mon bro...

Too much fire in this chassis at the right price to ignore, IMO. And they are just gonna keep getting cheaper. What's the point in wanting an MK IV Supra at point? They're pretty much tit for tat on specs...

[kingkilburn]

Gotdam! If all I need is to figure out power steering I'll figure that shit out. I've already sourced proper nonpowered racks for s chassis and electric pumps for other cars. It can't be that hard to figure out.

[simmode1]

^^^Right?! Now... the 335i's are some heavy sumbitches @ around 3500 lbs... but so was the Supra. I park my shitbox s14 right next to one at work & I'm always surprised by how small it is for a 3500 lbs car. Must be sturdy as all fuck.

[vanish1]

Originally Posted by simmode1

I'll be honest. I'm probably not accomplished enough as a driver to be bothered by the EPS or even notice it in daily use as highway bruiser & boosted grocery getter. Those cars just tick too many of the right boxes for me to ignore them just because the power steering is vague.

Too much fire in this chassis at the right price to ignore, IMO. And they are just gonna keep getting cheaper. What's the point in wanting an MK IV Supra at point? They're pretty much tit for tat on specs...

hey I would never fault you for getting into the BMW world, better off in an e9x than not in a BMW at all.

the few faults generally dont outweigh all the positives. Luxury, RWD or AWD, forged turbo I6 from factory or choice of turbo diesel, racing heritage out the ying yang.

its really become the new boy racer luxury toy, people slap a tune on and some basic bolt ons and let the N54 do the rest of the work, very little mechanical ingenuity needed.

edit: yea man its gotta be a tank if its going to past the rigors of german highway driving woot woot; the autobahn episode shown on history channel iirc they show an E46 crash at 100+ mph, buddy hops out like nothing happened

[kingkilburn]

All that space where we have useless back seats and miles trunk space is where real sports cars but all their structure.

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by vanish1

hey I would never fault you for getting into the BMW world, better off in an e9x than not in a BMW at all.

the few faults generally dont outweigh all the positives. Luxury, RWD or AWD, forged turbo I6 from factory or choice of turbo diesel, racing heritage out the ying yang.

its really become the new boy racer luxury toy, people slap a tune on and some basic bolt ons and let the N54 do the rest of the work, very little mechanical ingenuity needed.

edit: yea man its gotta be a tank if its going to past the rigors of german highway driving woot woot; the autobahn episode shown on history channel iirc they show an E46 crash at 100+ mph, buddy hops out like nothing happened

I've always had a healthy respect for BMW, but it was the E90 series that actually got me interested in owning one. Probably because it really was a marked departure from some conventional BMW ideals. I felt that the changes seen in the E90 lineup was BMW's attempt to attract longtime JDM buyers. It worked, IMO.

Now that I know that the power steering issues due have some remedies, my interest in the 228i is renewed. I mean, if the 335i started over $50k & depreciated to about $15k in 7 years... The $33k I4 turbo 228i is gonna be a steal in few years...

[vanish1]

Originally Posted by simmode1

I felt that the changes seen in the E90 lineup was BMW's attempt to attract longtime JDM buyers. It worked, IMO.

???????????????????? thats a bit of a stretch there

Now that I know that the power steering issues due have some remedies, my interest in the 228i is renewed. I mean, if the 335i started over $50k & depreciated to about $15k in 7 years... The $33k I4 turbo 228i is gonna be a steal in few years...

DI Turbo I4 w/ EPS....ehhhhhhh.

theres are two groups of BMW folks, old school and new school. Old school believes last great car that was put out was the E46, new school thinks n/a I6s are stupid when you have easy boost available.

personally the last modern BMW im interested in is either the E82 128i w/ M Package or the E90 M3, last great n/a engines BMW produced

[S14DB]

Originally Posted by vanish1

???????????????????? thats a bit of a stretch there



DI Turbo I4 w/ EPS....ehhhhhhh.

theres are two groups of BMW folks, old school and new school. Old school believes last great car that was put out was the E46, new school thinks n/a I6s are stupid when you have easy boost available.

personally the last modern BMW im interested in is either the E82 128i w/ M Package or the E90 M3, last great n/a engines BMW produced

Nether of them think the E46 was a great car...

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by vanish1

???????????????????? thats a bit of a stretch there



DI Turbo I4 w/ EPS....ehhhhhhh.

theres are two groups of BMW folks, old school and new school. Old school believes last great car that was put out was the E46, new school thinks n/a I6s are stupid when you have easy boost available.

personally the last modern BMW im interested in is either the E82 128i w/ M Package or the E90 M3, last great n/a engines BMW produced

Well, I'm definitely in the new school group. I've always been a pro-90's jdm guy, back when all of the Japanese greats were crazy turbo monsters. So any manufacturer with a similar formula will pique my interest.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by S14DB

Nether of them think the E46 was a great car...

This is actually true. The E36 is the one that actually is considered to be the last great BMW . The E46 while being quite nice was heavier and had more electronic issues. Ya if take them and tweak them with weight reduction and whatnot they can be quite cool. They look nice too, but they are not quite at the level of real feel of the E36. IMO

[kingkilburn]

BMWs are separated into three distinct categories. Hipsters|Enthusiasts|Rich smug assholes.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

BMWs are separated into three distinct categories. Hipsters|Enthusiasts|Rich smug assholes.

pretty much spot on.

[simmode1]

Recently saw a commercial for the Cadillac ATS coupe. Had almost forgotten about that one. Didn't look as bad as I remember it looking. I remember most reviewers said the sedan was even better than the outgoing 3 series sedan, except for the crappy trans mated to GM's ecotec. I hope they improved that for the coupe... I guess it's supposed to be marketed against the 4 series now that it's starting at $41k...

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by simmode1

^^^Right?! Now... the 335i's are some heavy sumbitches @ around 3500 lbs... but so was the Supra. I park my shitbox s14 right next to one at work & I'm always surprised by how small it is for a 3500 lbs car. Must be sturdy as all fuck.

The N54 is a POS.

End of Story.


This is what you want.



At VIR last year there was a E90 M3 Sedan. FUCKING MONSTER on the track.