Donald Trump For President

[lewisfk]

Corbin, most of the Southern states never implemented the ACA or even extended medicare! You can't say it failed when a third of the country didn't even get it. The country gives more welfare to corporations than it's people. Welfare and food stamps are a part of the Farm Bill, and black people didn't receive any of those benefits until the 1950s or later. So cities that are predominately black like Baltimore will always have higher rates of poverty and violence do to the lack of infrastructure and redlining. Minorities are finally getting a decent shot to earn some financial wealth over the last 15 years in a hand full of democratic cities in the U.S. Please remember Tulsa, OK and Black Wall Street! Quick history lesson for you.

[RalliartRsX]

Originally Posted by lewisfk

Corbin, most of the Southern states never implemented the ACA or even extended medicare! You can't say it failed when a third of the country didn't even get it. The country gives more welfare to corporations than it's people. Welfare and food stamps are a part of the Farm Bill, and black people didn't receive any of those benefits until the 1950s or later. So cities that are predominately black like Baltimore will always have higher rates of poverty and violence do to the lack of infrastructure and redlining. Minorities are finally getting a decent shot to earn some financial wealth over the last 15 years in a hand full of democratic cities in the U.S. Please remember Tulsa, OK and Black Wall Street! Quick history lesson for you.

The nuances of the argument, which is key, is what Corbic typically fails at recognizing.

For instance; yes, the detention centers were built doing Obama's term. However, the nuance of the argument is, it was NOT built based off the policy of the Obama administration ACTIVELY pursuing, participating and drafting up policy to FORCE family separation. The centers were built for children who crossed into the US, as unaccompanied minors and acted as as a (required by law) 72 hour holding until the child is transferred to HHS and until the parents/guardians of the minors could be located.

That nuanced portion is a KEY separation of the Obama era detention centers and the ACTIVE policy of the current admin.

However, that point is forever lost to one line zingers, shitty talking heads ala a ESPN style panels and just overall shitty misinformation campaign which foster division, racism and just down right lies.

Which is also why I do not bother to post here as although it forces me to go in search of all the non citation opinions posted by Corbic, I simply do not have enough time in the day to run down every single false narrative.........or can stay as angry as Corbic. It's simply unhealthy

Also, which is another nuanced argument which fails to get mentioned; The CONSTITUTION makes is lawful for ANY immigrant who is seeking asylum to not be classified as an illegal immigrant. Often times, they are just lumped in with the folks who come here without such a designation. This is key, and what most fail to recognize. The CONSTITUTION allows it, however, people only reference the Constitution and their own interpretation when it fits a their own narrow specific narrative (see the most inane interpretation of 2nd Amendment)

I digress...

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

The nuances of the argument, which is key, is what Corbic typically fails at recognizing.

Lie

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

For instance; yes, the detention centers were built doing Obama's term. However, the nuance of the argument is, it was NOT built based off the policy of the Obama administration ACTIVELY pursuing, participating and drafting up policy to FORCE family separation. The centers were built for children who crossed into the US, as unaccompanied minors and acted as as a (required by law) 72 hour holding until the child is transferred to HHS and until the parents/guardians of the minors could be located.



That nuanced portion is a KEY separation of the Obama era detention centers and the ACTIVE policy of the current admin.

Should be easy to provide Links then.

You do realize we don't house childern with adults in prison. You do realize 30% of these childern are not related to the adults they arrive with. You do realize these people are free to go home at any time. You do realize AOC and o the DNC members willingly blocked funding to improve conditions.

You do realize pretty much all the problems we have now existed prior to Trump. It's a lot like Bush. People shit them selves over Gitmo, Watetboarding and the Patriot Act. Obama second in, never heard about Gitmo again, striaght up killing American Citizens with drones in countries were not currently at war with and a 400% increase in the Patriot Act usage. Not a peep.

Not even going to bother to source since you won't read them or return the courtesy.

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

Blah blah, rhetoric, personnel attacks and avoiding any actual discussion

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

Also, which is another nuanced argument which fails to get mentioned; The CONSTITUTION makes is lawful for ANY immigrant who is seeking asylum to not be classified as an illegal immigrant. Often times, they are just lumped in with the folks who come here without such a designation. This is key, and what most fail to recognize. The CONSTITUTION allows it, however, people only reference the Constitution and their own interpretation when it fits a their own narrow specific narrative (see the most inane interpretation of 2nd Amendment)



I digress...

Soooo which amendment is it then that says you can bypass all immigration laws regarding refugee status and asylum application?

But I digress. You'll just spew more personnel attacks and avoid any rational, fact based discussion. An inconvenient truth.

[spooled240]

You all act like Obama didn't deport 5 million illegal immigrants..

[RalliartRsX]

Corbic


I will address a few items in your response

1) Please point out where I made personal attacks against you?? You have called people "complete idiot" (see below for your quote). That's a personal attack. Stating that you missed the finer detail in an opinion and with me citing proper sources to justify this statement, is called a discussion. I am not sure why you are unable to differentiate between the two. Your post is additional ironic, as you state Nazis are Socialist in this very same post and have since just ignored my postings on this.....


Corbic Post 1301 in Trump thread

No, he's just a complete idiot who dodges everyone question and point.

He seriously tried to make a statement that Nazis are not Socialists.

2) Do not accuse me of not reading your source. Example
I pointed out your statement linking a Nazi to the Dem party through a socialist argument is incorrect as you missed the nuanced portion. I provided links through Britannica and historical citation. You decided to not address and continue to ignore those links and references when continuing to sprout this categorically false narrative. You provided a video in regards to a Marxist POV which "supposedly" supported your argument. I watched the video and commented that your supposed evidence, completely debunks your argument within the first 3 mins (as that TEK explicitly stated). So please do not levy such an accusation when you yourself have decided to actually ignore historical markers.

3) Fair statement in regards to immigration. I will be a bit more nuanced in my discussion about

According to the Constitution, the term immigration is not explicitly stated. However, Article I, Section 8, Clause 4 does read, “… Congress is responsible to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, …”

https://www.theamericanview.com/cons...g-immigration/

Now, as it stands, according to the current law as set forth by Congress in regards to Assylum seekers (refugees)

Asylum is a protection granted to foreign nationals already in the United States or at the border who meet the international law definition of a “refugee.” The United Nations 1951 Convention and 1967 Protocol define a refugee as a person who is unable or unwilling to return to his or her home country, and cannot obtain protection in that country, due to past persecution or a well-founded fear of being persecuted in the future “on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.” Congress incorporated this definition into U.S. immigration law in the Refugee Act of 1980.

By the Law of the land, Assylum seekers are supported under "legal" immigration. The nuanced issue; the Trump Admin hasn't made any changes to the current law through Congress so this Law should be recognized.

Originally Posted by spooled240

You all act like Obama didn't deport 5 million illegal immigrants..

.........Please point out where I stated this at ANY point in time. The topic of discussion here is; relating detention centers as setup by the Obama admin (which I acknowledge) to the current Admin Seperation of Family. That is NOT what I stated in my post or what I brought up in terms of nuance discussion. That has NO impact on family separation as set forth by the Current Admin.

And please cite where the Obama admin deported 5M illegal immigrants. As it stands, according to the actual statistic from DHS its a little more than 3M (which includes a mix of Criminals and non criminals)

And I still have no idea what that has to do with Family Separation, which is the target of my discussion ............

Immigration Statistics

[exitspeed]

God this is the most pointless thread on the internet.

No one is going to change their mind in any way shape or form.

[lewisfk]

Steff, what are talking about? Everyone has different experiences and I was not directly talking about you. Throughout this thread, I addressed individuals who were incapable of presenting facts. Politics of division left or right will only lead to distrust! I challenge people to post facts, from quality sources.

[SteffbuiltNOLA]

Originally Posted by lewisfk

Steff, what are talking about? Everyone has different experiences and I was not directly talking about you. Throughout this thread, I addressed individuals who were incapable of presenting facts. Politics of division left or right will only lead to distrust! I challenge people to post facts, from quality sources.

My bad bud, it didn’t give me a notification that you replied. Anyways I was just stating that I’ve done plenty of research and coupled that with my experience and many other’s experiences. It’s after hearing countless people from all over the US having the same experiences, with the research I’ve done, that’s made me have the views that I do. Also I found it important to look at any situation from every possible point of view. Like I had said before, yea if you served the US military then you should get first dibs on citizenship but trump never took the opportunity to be a citizen away. He just didn’t give it away. I hear from almost everyone that’s left leaning, that one of the biggest hurdles is the cost but it isn’t that expensive in US dollars. The question then becomes, why didn’t they save and start their path to citezinship if it was that important to them?

[feito]

Lets not get too comfortable and go out and vote this elections. A lot is at stake, trump has brought out the worst in liberals and the left is completely unhinged, supporting the most outrageous proposals: open borders, universal basic income, free health care, weapons ban, SOCIALISM.
Im an immigrant, and I simply cant understand how so many of my peers can support some of these proposals. Perhaps that's why the places we escape from are in the state they are, one would figure we would learn the lesson...
And yes, even though there's a good percentage of us who vote against all that, the majority will still vote for the same old shit, turning your new home into the same old shithole. Same applies for so many people escaping from leftist "paradises"... So many californians here in TX laughing at our faces about how they can sell their house back home and buy a mansion here in texas, yet they still vote for the same old shit, it's so fucking ironic.

My boss, an immigrant like myself, started from the bottom, couple decades later owns his own (small) shop, his own properties, and he's an everyday millionare who still break his back working every single day elbow to elbow next to me. What it took? Sacrifice. Lots of it. And not a single hand out from the gvmt. The real american dream. But what most people dont understand, or rather want to ignore, is the sacrifice that it takes. Planning and saving for so long that most people wouldnt understand. Right before opening his shop he even had to sell his dream car, a fully restored 69 camaro ss.
So dont come in here yapping your mouth about how the system isnt fair. Our capitalist system is the best for those of us who are willing to pay the price to become something. The majority of rich people here in the states werent born rich.

The majority of people I know are poor thou, I know how we are....

[Corbic]

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenopee

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

All of those are from right wing extremist 'meme pages'.



Not real.



Typical Trump voter, research, facts, etc.? Why do those when I can just take the word of my fellow 30 something basement dweller who also uses facebook like a septuagenarian.

Did you seriously have to do research to figure out the DNC is not behind #demandvoterid ??

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

The terrorists who murdered 20 people on Saturday was a big Trump fan.

Fucking lie.

Go read his manifesto. He hated Corporations, and was a total whack job that even claimed "race mixing weakens the genetic pool". Total mouth breathing loser.

He even states "I know Trump will get blamed, I've been wanting to do this for 6 years and I don't care if he gets blamed".

It's also perverse how Social Media instantly deletes these accounts so no one can see what "warning signs" look like and critique the real "reasons".

Instead, all we get to go on is the media saying "white shooter!!!"

As for Ohio, guy was a huge Obama fan and killed his own sister, there is certainly more to that story then just "Nazis Attack! The Blitz Again!!"


Lastly, yawn.

Funny the media didn't carry this story -

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...oting-n1020746

This coming from Pete Buttgimp's hometown. I also belive it was 12 shot, two refused treatment and to give statements and ultimately a second victim died. Why is this not a "Holy Fuck Mass Shooting!!" I don't even think they have a suspect yet and no one is talking. (Hint, this doesn't fit the Nazi narrative)


All anyone cares about is a White Cop shot a Blackman breaking into cars at 2am.

It's a fucking joke. Had three more Shootings over the weekend in South Bend. If you know anything, call crime stoppers, cause the victims site the fuck won't speak up.

[RalliartRsX]

3 Mass shootings in less than a week

The gop has been VERY quiet in this regard. No one even spoke about the one last week in California.

trump played golf for most of Sunday.....

That is your president folks.....

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

trump played golf for most of Sunday.....

That is your president folks.....

Normal weekend in Baltimore, what's our boy Elijah Cummings been up too?

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2018/...ore-shootings/

34 homicides in July.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

I know you have zero understanding of how US government works, but a congressman is not a mayor, city council member, governor, member of the state senate/house, etc.

Just like a POTUS is not responsible for security at a Walmart in El Passo?

EC is supposed to represent his constituents at the Federal level. Illegal aliens detained in Texas are not his constituents.

I don't see him screaming for Federal help to clean up his litter box. That's something most of these scumbags have forgotten because they get entrenched without the risk of losing their seat and are more interested in taking care of the party. (that's both parties, BTW)

[RalliartRsX]

Elijah, is NOT our current president.

Please stop moving the goal posts.

It's amazing. Obama gets tagged for wearing a tan suit and golfing how many days out of the year. Trump has surpassed the days Obama golfed during his 8 year.......and it only took trump ~ 3 years to do so.

Now, trump plays golf during a mass murder, and Corbic is pivoting to Baltimore. People have died and yet, Corbic allows his partisan bias to continue to ignore the lives of innocent people. Dude, at some point in your life, you need to take the blinders off....this is that point.

Yeah, exitspeed is right, no one here is going to change their minds. trump is also right, he could off someone on Pennsylvania ave, and Corbic would cheer.....

Good day to you Corbic. I wish to NEVER get to level of hate you are at currently...

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

Elijah, is NOT our current president.

Please stop moving the goal posts.

Didn't move shit. If Texas is Trump's fault cause he is President (that's a stretch) then Baltimore is Elijah's fault since that's his district.

If anything, Elijah is more at fault since he's been in office for 20 years and it's a much more narrow scope.

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

It's amazing. Obama gets tagged for wearing a tan suit and golfing how many days out of the year. Trump has surpassed the days Obama golfed during his 8 year.......and it only took trump ~ 3 years to do so.

Now, trump plays golf during a mass murder, and Corbic is pivoting to Baltimore. People have died and yet, Corbic allows his partisan bias to continue to ignore the lives of innocent people. Dude, at some point in your life, you need to take the blinders off....this is that point.

Look who's talking. Crying about the dude playing Golf during what? A warm weekend in Chicago?

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

Yeah, exitspeed is right, no one here is going to change their minds. trump is also right, he could off someone on Pennsylvania ave, and Corbic would cheer.....

You mean like a Clinton?

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

Good day to you Corbic. I wish to NEVER get to level of hate you are at currently...

What hate? I hope to never reach your level of cognitive disconnect.

I point out rational facts about a shooting and you want to argue about who wore what and played more Golf....

[RalliartRsX]

Corbic, from almost all news sources, there are NO details about the shooter in Dayton being an Obama supporter. Please provide your UNBIASED sources.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

Corbic, from almost all news sources, there are NO details about the shooter in Dayton being an Obama supporter. Please provide your UNBIASED sources.

A real shame how "Social Media" scrubbed the guys accounts, no?

[RalliartRsX]

Corbic, you do you bud...........

I have nothing else to add......

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Dayton shooter was a known anti-women/incel type.

Yeah man, leftists are known for that :rollseyes:
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Well, we all know Alpha Chad Types support Trump, and THOT supporting Soyboy Beta Incels are left...

Also, anyone sane of mind would realize such attacks are 100% counter productive. Just look at NZ? What came of it? They banned all guns and tripped the acceptance of Islamic Refugees.

If this twat wanted to "support the right", he should have joined the next Antifa protest as an Antifa actor and started shooting whatever "right wing" group they were protesting to martyr the cause.

False Flags work, just look at the Spanish American War, WW1 (several countries), burning of the Reichstadt, invasion of Poland, Vietnam War, WMD and Iraq 2.0, Syrian Gas Attacks, on and on and on.


Is Washington Times a Nazi site? I can't keep track.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2...h-warren-supp/

Guys name is Connor Betts, tons of shit popping up of him being a leftist antifa nut on a Google search. Is it true? Who knows. Does it even matter? Sucks Social Media deleted all his accounts so we can't see for our selves.

Now if you pull the dildo out of your ass, it's lot easier to see that crazy people have done crazy shit for years. Regardless of whatever these idiots claim to justify their actions, at the end of the day, they are wack jobs who have been pumping out warning signs for years.

Even if you ban all the guns, they'll still have access to truck rentals, fertizlier and diesel fuel.

So what is a better method to provide early identification and engagement to such people?

Scrubbing the world of their internet presence and "refusing to give them fame" by withholding names and details is asinine at best.

Their whole life should be dumped in front of us so we can scrutinize and understand what might be warning signs. Just look at the Vegas shooter... Whole fucking world went silent on his ass.

Once we do that we need to have a serious, technical discussion on what to do with the mentally unstable and the chronicly homeless.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Dayton shooter was a known anti-women/incel type.

Yeah man, leftists are known for that :rollseyes:

Also, the El Paso shooter liked this photo on twitter:

From this graphic we can either gather Trump has a lot more POC that support him than the media portrays (which I actually do believe, just not in this case), or very few of the mass shootings are done by extremists on the Right. It’s just the agenda what the Liberal ran media pushes.

The latter is obviously the case.

I watched Colion Noir on TMZ this afternoon and the thing I got from it is people have NO FUCKING clue what semi auto means. Colion tried to explain it but got stepped on, and also didn’t do the best job. He got close but they went a different direction. The TMZ hosts were in fact advocating for the government to start taking people’s semi auto weapons (“why do you even need one?”). What they don’t realize is even a revolver is semi auto. Colion tried to make the point that virtually anything other than a muzzle loader is semi auto and they just laughed it off...ie DON’T know WTF they’re talking about. Over and over they interchangeably used semi auto and assault rifle, thinking only AR’s are semi auto.

What I do wish he would have stressed as well is that most fire arm murders are done with hand guns, and not AR’s.

Taking people’s firearms is NOT going to happen in the US. This ain’t Australia. The sheer talk of that will lead to sky rocketing firearm and ammo sales. I’ll be right there with everyone.





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[Corbic]

Mentally Unstable and Chronicly Homeless

(topic change, sepporate post)

This country has a problem. We shut down the assylums and dumped these people into the streets. It's very hard to get treatment to disturbed adults. Once your 17, all you have to say is "Nope" and you can reject treatment.

West Coast homeless problem is not because rent is to high, minimum wage too low and racsims. It's chronic drug use and mental disabilities.

Personally, I think establishing rustic camping sites that offer free food, housing and BASIC medical care is the answer. This would be log cabins with only lighting and wood stoves, whole food like potatoes and stew and medical care like broken limb setting, asprine and antibiotics.

Residents would be expected to fell trees for fire wood, manage the grounds and latrines, wash and mend clothing, cook food etc. In turn, it's better than living on the street and they can just hang out in their hammocks getting high all day long once thier choirs are done.

Is it grim? Yup
Is it awful? Maybe

Is it more humane to the homeless and society instead of letting them rot on street corners, under bridges and in parks? You bet.

[rvns14]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Mentally Unstable and Chronicly Homeless

(topic change, sepporate post)

This country has a problem. We shut down the assylums and dumped these people into the streets. It's very hard to get treatment to disturbed adults. Once your 17, all you have to say is "Nope" and you can reject treatment.

West Coast homeless problem is not because rent is to high, minimum wage too low and racsims. It's chronic drug use and mental disabilities.

Personally, I think establishing rustic camping sites that offer free food, housing and BASIC medical care is the answer. This would be log cabins with only lighting and wood stoves, whole food like potatoes and stew and medical care like broken limb setting, asprine and antibiotics.

Residents would be expected to fell trees for fire wood, manage the grounds and latrines, wash and mend clothing, cook food etc. In turn, it's better than living on the street and they can just hang out in their hammocks getting high all day long once thier choirs are done.

Is it grim? Yup
Is it awful? Maybe

Is it more humane to the homeless and society instead of letting them rot on street corners, under bridges and in parks? You bet.

That sounds like creating a welfare state. Providing homes for the less fortunate, maybe in the socialist republic of Taxifornia. In the free American states, where we believe in states rights, our disabled will be be given a stern look and a discussion on bootstraps.
And Reagan defederalized mental facilities.

[spooled240]

So is AOC to blame for the attack on the ICE facility that happened a little while ago?

Is Obama responsible for the shootings of the Dallas police officers back in 2016?

Just want to see if there's any consistency here..

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope