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03-23-2021, 10:18 PM | #31 |
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I sell a ton of mono/2pc Work and cast Heritage wheels to my customers in that price point. I’m honestly not a fan of much else for s-chassis/related vehicles. I suppose Gram Lights are cool, and I sell them on occasion.
I don’t sell Kansei but I should. Chris is a cool guy. I wish there were more offerings like the “good old days” but Rohana and Forgestar are the alternatives. I can get those too if you lack taste. Also thanks mav1178 for your insight.
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You said ?JDM? so I?m just responding to that.
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Enkei is a good example of a well managed brand. Sure, their wheels may be more on the boring spectrum, but they make a good variety of wheels to fit a good variety of cars.
Wheels are like cars. Consumer habits change and wheel design, color, size, and fitment need to change to adapt to the market. Successful brands keep going by virtue of managing their customer base and dealer network well. Enkei’s largest accounts are Tire Rack, Discount Tire Company, and other tire chains that also happen to sell wheels. It’s not unlike selling volume into Costco, you sell the larger distributors at cost so you can keep a target cost structure going and make money off the smaller shops.
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Again, probably a bit of irony that was missed in my opener. I was going for the sarcasm, but the discussion turned much more serious than I anticipated, haha. I will even include "JDM" not necessarily by literal manufacturing, but on styled - stuff such as CST / MB is a great example, but alas, even that is gone. Quote:
In 17's you can get close to $1500 +. I assume many are rocking 18s these days, like myself. Most SSR / GL are really close to 2k (if not past it with shipping) in decent sizing, last I checked Advans anything close to awesome sizing is easy 2k. You may can get like $100 or so below 2k, but that's really still not addressing the large $600 - $2000 gap problem for cool wheels IMO. It's just the way of the market these days I suppose. The sport is dying, cool cars are largely dying with politics playing a mega role as of late, and frankly - not much incentive to keep producing for a shrinking market I suppose. Sigh.
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talking about hotboi 2k~ wheels in good sizing: 1. https://titan-7.com/ 18x9 +28 or +38 forged for $2080 (evo or sti specs). 2. CST has a new wheel out, the Zero-1. I'm not sure where to purchase it other then croober, and they have hefty shipping charges. https://www.croooober.com/en/item/cp...ERO-1-HYPER-V2 3. Final Konnexion has wheels for s chassis spec and about $498 per, before shipping, but again, im not sure of where to buy https://finalkonnexion.co.jp/images/lenso/venom.html 4. there's also nakamura's line of wheels, but youll have to get in line to gargle his balls first https://quickstylemotorsports.com/pr...=8832409534500 5. Advanti is the manufacturer for nakamuras wheels, they also partnership w/ konig and enkei aswell for wheel re-branding and distrubution. They have some new models for 2021 in 17x9 +35 and 18x9 +32. Not my cup of tea, but its nice to always see options in that sub $1500 range https://advantiwheel.com/ |
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04-19-2022, 11:42 AM | #37 |
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Just to bump this from the nether, Motegi picked up the Battle mold from MB and has reissued the Battle.
https://www.motegiracing.com/product.../mr154-battle/
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04-19-2022, 11:49 AM | #38 |
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Am I the only one that thinks wheel manufacturers need to pay more attention to center caps and make them good looking? Those center caps drive me nuts.
Also, that dude Cody on facebook has chromed a few sets of these, and to be expected, they look excellent. |
04-19-2022, 02:59 PM | #39 |
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Would it seriously kill anyone who works at these wheel companies to go into their cad program and set the damn bolt pattern to 4x114.3? It's one less machining step, you bastards should be thanking me for streamlining your process
The worst are wheels like Enkei RPF1 where they clearly have a 4 lug casting and a 5 lug casting in each size and offset and they make a 4x100 in like 3 different offsets but 4x114.3 in only +45... WHO IS BUYING THAT? I know the Miata guys are buying the 4x100 low/med disk but are there that many more dudes with old Accords and Lancers who need the 4x114 high disk than the S13/kyusha/etc/market? I know that was a thing 20 years ago when '90s era Hondas drove the import wheel market but nowadays? Funny thing is all the Hondas I see from that era are running on ET0 XXR/Drag/etc. with massive poke and stretch |
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A "+45 4x114.3mm" wheel makes zero sense in the US... but only if you are thinking the wheels are only for the US... plenty of other 4x114.3mm cars out on the market that need high offset. A simple search yields tons of small passenger cars in other markets that have zero value in the US.
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04-21-2022, 03:42 AM | #41 |
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The "problem" here is that the lug holes are likely cast into the center core, and they are finish machined at a later date. I understand however, this would really just require them to pay for a new or modified core box. However, you also have to remember that core box is likely different for every size/ spoke design, and that gets expensive quick.
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Most definitely not. The center caps absolutely kill it for me.
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What do you guys think of the new-ish Work Emotion RS11?:
The 17" are 5x114.3 in custom offsets, but I've yet to see a pic in that size (15"/ 16" are only 4x100). I think the 17's in white would look pretty cool on a S13. |
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But yeah. I've seen some horrible Volk CE28N reps where they clearly took a mold from a real 5x114.3 CE28N and then redrilled it to whatever, but there are cast-in flats where the 5x114.3 lug holes would've been. Embarrassing: Quote:
A lot of it is also down to the Japanese companies dropping stuff that would mostly fit stock S13s, FCs, and other basically deprecated old cars. The fact that UP Garages routinely sell the typical 16" S13 fitment wheel sets for less than 20k yen tells me no one there is buying them anymore. Enkei used to have part numbers for 16x7 and 16x8 ET30 4x114.3 RPF1s but it no longer exists. For me it's just not economical to spend $500 converting my car to 5 lug to buy a set of <$1000 wheels. |
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I agree, I wish there were more new options for us 4 lug boys, I just don't see it happening anytime soon. (I've been wrong before) until then ill stick with my used 1200 big boy works and some long champs and call er a day |
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My pair: https://www.instagram.com/p/CNGisBunw14/ (I wish it was easier to just post the IMG link)
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MB then gave it up / sold it? to Motegi. I have thought about making CST center caps for the battles, because the CST logo is cooler. I wonder if the center caps are interchangeable? CST makes cool, affordable wheels. $1200 a pair is DUMB, but yeah use to you could import a set for not much more than battles haha.
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Very few consumers understand how massive tooling costs are, and it is not just changing a design parameter on a CAD rendering. Before with 5Zigen, the factory making FN01R-Cs wanted upwards of $10k each variation of spoke design or backpad, so we would save money by just making a generic 17" flat spoke face, have 2 variations for backpad that can be used for both 4 and 5 lug bolt patterns, and either add material to the backpad for lower offset or just drill different bolt patterns as long as it didn't compromise the wheel strength. Beyond that, there's also MOQ requirements, factories will not waste their time unless you order sufficient quantities or dollar amounts for wheels. At the end of the day high offset 414 wheels are not meant for this chassis, just leave it at that.
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This. But, its also not exactly common knowledge. You're talking about having a cope/drag (Top/bottom) set of tools, and any set of tools for cores as well. And it gets expensive quick. Especially since a lot of the stuff used to be made out of wood in pattern shops. The future is looking wild as they have 3D Sand printers now..but again, thats a million dollar machine to start.
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I mean nowadays you can 3D print center caps. Even if you don't want to do that, shitty ebay black center caps + vinyl stickers. Can you link me to that Cody guy who does the wheel chroming? Quote:
I legit had the same thought process as you. I saw this thread after I purchased my wheels but I'm down to pick up a set of dedicated track wheels. |
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It's not, but too many people think along the lines of a single transaction and don't look at it from the perspective of the seller, the distributor, the importer, or the manufacturer. All 4 can be separate companies, or all 4 can be the same.
Beyond that, people think in a timeline that is about as long as it takes for them to pay the bill. Most manufacturers think in terms of years, and the costs associated with tooling + logistics (a catch-all for things like packaging, boxing, shipping to different countries, etc) add up very quick. Then you add things like a fluctuating exchange rate and it makes things very difficult from a planning perspective. Case in point: the yen is trading at a 10-year low of close to 130JPY to 1USD. While this is great for US consumers, it also greatly affects how products are priced when trying to import into the Japanese market. This is against a backdrop of the yen being 30% stronger just last January. Try pricing things out with a 30% swing in your cost structure in 12 months... it's so much more than just tooling, and most manufacturers of product think about 3-5 year horizons at a minimum to sell products.
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Right. It just seems like, given all these lead times ad so on, they just ended up missing the trend of our cars coming back in style/people spending a lot of money on them and both owners and wheel manufacturers lose. I can make stuff work... but I think of the reddit r/240SX crowd that just wants to go on a website and click 'buy' and get wheels that fit. Can't do that if you have a 4 lug car.
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