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GripTerror · 12-01-2011, 02:58 PM

I really wish they would make an insane grip setup as they are doing an insane drift setup. If they are going that insane with CAD drawings, simulations, etc....

PoorMans180SX · 12-01-2011, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GripTerror

I really wish they would make an insane grip setup as they are doing an insane drift setup. If they are going that insane with CAD drawings, simulations, etc....

PSM pro grip knuckle and lca combo. Done.

TheRealSy90 · 12-01-2011, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by az_240

Those eccentric rack spacers are nice. It's about time someone made them for a reasonable price..... sucks I just had my crossmember modified 20mm forward like Sy90....

Yeah I got the subframe modded about a week before he posted those offset spacers, how funny.

DC Dan MAX USA · 12-02-2011, 05:58 PM

For those interested in Z33, the Parts Shop MAX Super Angle Kit stock arrives next month, over 60 degrees angle and 5 degrees ackerman. I know for many people with the KPR kit who have broken components of that kit and have biting their nails waiting for these parts to debut, this news is a big relief!

Thanks a million to Ryan Kado Racing for helping us develop, and test this game changing product throughout the 2011 formula D season!
Now you can have the same parts for your 350Z! Please help us cheer him on in the 2012 season as he competes with increased power and reliability from the newly developed VK56 and the tried and true MAX PRO suspension and steering system!

Parts Shop MAX 350Z Super Angle Kit ~ preorder now on our site to reserve from shipment that arrives around 1-20-2012
Production parts will look something like this (knuckle bracket and outer tie rod included but not shown here) $800+sh

Around 2:20 in the first video Ryan Kado starts to hit some serious entries.
Enjoy some backwards entry chucking at 1:35 in the second vid...

Patrick Bowering · 12-02-2011, 06:12 PM

Does this mean that you have remade your inner tie rods?

Motary · 12-04-2011, 02:33 PM

About the upcoming wisefab kit, it is going to include a brand new knuckle!

DC Dan MAX USA · 12-05-2011, 02:53 PM

The old ones are pictured, but I have been working on something thats never been done before on the ITR's, using a spherical bearing as the heart of the ITR joint to replace the OEM spec plastic lined ball joint. I'll post more info in them when it becomes available.

GripTerror · 12-05-2011, 02:59 PM

man i love the competition and how pbm is out to excel vs the competition

It's exciting!

ridesnowx4 · 12-05-2011, 07:27 PM

Whewww finally caught up on all of this reading! lol

Looks like I need to preorder those SREB's stat!

Question: will having a ITR spacer that is installed on one side and the rack re-centered affect anything with these SREB's?

Running the Future Fab "Dangle" knuckles with their tierod spacer

Motary · 12-06-2011, 03:27 AM

What is ITR and SREB?

ch1873857 · 12-06-2011, 04:20 AM

steering rack eccentric bushing

oh. and inner tie rod

onehundredoctane · 12-06-2011, 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Motary

What is ITR and SREB?

For a second there I was thinking we had a Honda owner infiltrate the forum. No Integra Type R's allowed broseph.

ILoveMyRHS13 · 12-06-2011, 10:03 AM

Okay dudes, time to teach me about stuff. I came across a modified front subframe that had the mounts for the steering rack moved up about an inch. They claimed it would prevent the tie rods from over-centering and it would eliminate that bullshit shimmy that some people (like myself) get at full lock. Any insight? Anyone have any pictures of a stock front subframe to compare it to?

ch1873857 · 12-06-2011, 10:24 AM

For a second, the way you were talking, made me think. oh noes. google is down.

As stated before by Dan, the modified subframe, is essentially doing the same thing that eccentric bushings are done. it was like on the last page.

ch1873857 · 12-06-2011, 10:31 AM

As a matter of fact, here ill save Dan from having to repeat himself..

Quote:

Originally Posted by DC Dan MAX USA

Im guessing you dont need the SREB if you have 1 inch rack forward, thats a lot (depending on the knuckle and settings).
SREB was designed with not having to cut and weld in mind.

ILoveMyRHS13 · 12-06-2011, 10:38 AM

Oh shit, I didn't even see that. I don't frequent this thread. Thanks for the heads-up, dude! PBM saved me more fabrication.

Chris28 · 12-06-2011, 05:07 PM

Awesome idea using eccentric bushings to space the rack forward without modifying the subframe. I'll definitely be getting a set when they are released.

rbs14kouki · 12-06-2011, 06:14 PM

Question for Dan ! I have the pbm pro-drift knuckle , driftworks offset spacers (for inner tie rod) , pbm flca / tension rod combo , stock steering rack positon and juste by moving my car it got stock in overcentering ...

Im not sure what's my caster set up right now cause im building my car for next season

With your new bushing for the steering rack would it help ? Do you run your offset spacers with your pro-knuckle or it's a combo that doesnt work together

1337 · 12-06-2011, 07:39 PM

will the powershopmax spacers work without breaking racks like the driftworks one?? knuckle problem

95KA-Turbo · 12-06-2011, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rbs14kouki

Question for Dan ! I have the pbm pro-drift knuckle , driftworks offset spacers (for inner tie rod) , pbm flca / tension rod combo , stock steering rack positon and juste by moving my car it got stock in overcentering ...

Im not sure what's my caster set up right now cause im building my car for next season

With your new bushing for the steering rack would it help ? Do you run your offset spacers with your pro-knuckle or it's a combo that doesnt work together

From what I understand you shouldn't need the offset spacers for the set up you have. You must have a bunch of caster, have you tried lengthening your tension rods a little? If your caster is where you want it then the offset spacers may fix your problem...but I'd wait for Dan to answer as I'm not an expert on this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1337

will the powershopmax spacers work without breaking racks like the driftworks one?? knuckle problem

The driftworks ones are completely different, the PSM ones replace the bushings so they don't put strain on anything.

TheRealSy90 · 12-07-2011, 03:26 AM

Doug why you posting my subframe lol

I actually didn't have it yet, got it in the mail today though!

I'm also going to be running this same Steering rack spacer.

Would like to know if anyone is using the rack spacer with OEM tie rods? If so how much adjustment is left in them? I'm going to have my flca's lengthened 1" and I don't know what i'm going to have to do for tie rods... Maybe i'll lengthen the stock ones with some square stock

az_240 · 12-07-2011, 03:52 AM

^stock

^modified rack location about 20mm forward (sorry, crappy iphone pic)

The PSM eccentric rack bushings move the rack forward about 6mm just to give an idea.

Pairing the two probably wouldn't work... just not enough room.
This is a great alternative to offset rack spacers.

Sy90 if you need a long tie rod setup the two popular ones seem to be the ikeya forumla inners that PSM sells with stock/tein outers or stock/tein s14 inners with SPL outers.

TheRealSy90 · 12-07-2011, 04:57 AM

Yeah I guess i'm gonna have to pick up a new setup. I also noticed that PSM no longer sells their inner tie rods? Sad me

PoorMans180SX · 12-07-2011, 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRealSy90

Yeah I guess i'm gonna have to pick up a new setup. I also noticed that PSM no longer sells their inner tie rods? Sad me

Why pick up a new setup? Moving the rack forward is just as good, if not better.

Also, Dan just said a few posts ago that he is coming out with a new inner tie rod, with a unique design.

TheRealSy90 · 12-07-2011, 06:41 AM

By new setup I meant for my inner and outer tie rods haha. I don't know if i'm going to have enough adjustment with the oem tie rods and the passenger side rack spacer.

I guess I missed Dan's post... So now I have to wait for those to come out to see if I want them or not before spending my money elsewhere

so goes the angle game.

95KA-Turbo · 12-07-2011, 02:23 PM

I've had a few people PM me about what parts I used for replacing my ball joints and every website I used has updated their pages, so none of the links work on the 1st post.

If you wouldn't mind updating it please do:

- (4) COM series Aurora 3/4" spherical bearings - Aurora Rod Ends COM-12
- (4) 3/4" spherical bearing weld in housings UB Machine 48-1211
- (4) 3/4" Spherical Bearing Snap Rings - UB Machine 48-5143
- (4) Coleman Racing extra long ball joint studs with Chevy 7º taper - Stud, Mono-Ball, Extra Long - Racing Parts and Products
- (1) 7º taper drill bit from Speedway Motorsports- Tapered Ball Joint Reamers - 7 Degree - Speedway Motors, America's Oldest Speed Shop
- (4) pairs of 3/4 to 5/8 high misalignment spacers - High Misalignment Spacer - 3/4" to 5/8" Stainless Steel (pair) Barnes4WD.com - Off Road Fabrication Parts
___________________________

That all adds up to $321.31 + shipping.

Now that there are available products, I'd personally get the PSM front knuckle kit and do what I did to the rear LCA.

That would be ~$500 for the PSM stuff and ~$200 for the reamer (which is 80 bucks) and stuff to the rear LCAs. Definitely more money but much cheaper then doing a full front and rear knuckle set up (like driftworks).

mikerbike · 12-07-2011, 03:02 PM

You mean space the RLCA down from the upright? That definitely doesn't seem like a good idea. Camber gain? Didn't MAX Dan already talk about that in this very thread?

95KA-Turbo · 12-07-2011, 05:09 PM

I haven't had any issues with mine, the rear of my car feels super stable and I have just the right amount of grip.

Chris28 · 12-07-2011, 08:10 PM

I'm a little confused...are the eccentric rack bushings PSM's only solution to overcentering? At one point it seemed like PSM was going to go the driftworks route and have an offset inner tie rod spacer, but I might be thinking that from before Dan released the offset rack bushing data.

How much of a difference does 6mm make? People are moving their racks as much as 1" forward, will 6mm be enough to keep up with the angle that the pro knuckle mod gives? Will the new inner tie rod design also help decrease overcentering issues?

95KA-Turbo · 12-07-2011, 08:30 PM

I have pro knuckles and no steering rack correction and there is no overcentering. I would assume you'd only have issues if you have tubular lower control arms and a shit ton of caster.

Then again, I don't know why you'd ever need more angle then what my car has right now, lol.

12-02-2011, 05:58 PM	#3424
DC Dan MAX USA Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,478 Trader Rating: (79) Feedback Score: 79 reviews	For those interested in Z33, the Parts Shop MAX Super Angle Kit stock arrives next month, over 60 degrees angle and 5 degrees ackerman. I know for many people with the KPR kit who have broken components of that kit and have biting their nails waiting for these parts to debut, this news is a big relief! Thanks a million to Ryan Kado Racing for helping us develop, and test this game changing product throughout the 2011 formula D season! Now you can have the same parts for your 350Z! Please help us cheer him on in the 2012 season as he competes with increased power and reliability from the newly developed VK56 and the tried and true MAX PRO suspension and steering system! Parts Shop MAX 350Z Super Angle Kit ~ preorder now on our site to reserve from shipment that arrives around 1-20-2012 Production parts will look something like this (knuckle bracket and outer tie rod included but not shown here) $800+sh Around 2:20 in the first video Ryan Kado starts to hit some serious entries. Enjoy some backwards entry chucking at 1:35 in the second vid... __________________ How To order: You can order directly from our zilvia advertiser threads. When you add to cart, you get an instant shipping estimate, & the cart will remember all of your items as you move between forum threads and our website www.poweredbymax.net until you remove them or check out. I can also calculate estimates manually for you but the cart's estimates are way faster and more accurate. Order Inquiry: IM me your real name and paypal address. Thanks for your business!

12-05-2011, 02:53 PM	#3427
DC Dan MAX USA Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,478 Trader Rating: (79) Feedback Score: 79 reviews	The old ones are pictured, but I have been working on something thats never been done before on the ITR's, using a spherical bearing as the heart of the ITR joint to replace the OEM spec plastic lined ball joint. I'll post more info in them when it becomes available. __________________ How To order: You can order directly from our zilvia advertiser threads. When you add to cart, you get an instant shipping estimate, & the cart will remember all of your items as you move between forum threads and our website www.poweredbymax.net until you remove them or check out. I can also calculate estimates manually for you but the cart's estimates are way faster and more accurate. Order Inquiry: IM me your real name and paypal address. Thanks for your business!

12-05-2011, 07:27 PM	#3429
ridesnowx4 Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Gilbert, AZ Age: 38 Posts: 146 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: ridesnowx4 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Whewww finally caught up on all of this reading! lol Looks like I need to preorder those SREB's stat! Question: will having a ITR spacer that is installed on one side and the rack re-centered affect anything with these SREB's? Running the Future Fab "Dangle" knuckles with their tierod spacer __________________ www.marcbergeon.com Last edited by ridesnowx4; 12-05-2011 at 08:01 PM..

12-06-2011, 06:14 PM	#3438
rbs14kouki Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Montreal , Canada Age: 37 Posts: 817 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Question for Dan ! I have the pbm pro-drift knuckle , driftworks offset spacers (for inner tie rod) , pbm flca / tension rod combo , stock steering rack positon and juste by moving my car it got stock in overcentering ... Im not sure what's my caster set up right now cause im building my car for next season With your new bushing for the steering rack would it help ? Do you run your offset spacers with your pro-knuckle or it's a combo that doesnt work together __________________ AV FABRICATION Built thread sr20vet s14 http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=535574

12-07-2011, 02:23 PM	#3446
95KA-Turbo Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: LA Age: 39 Posts: 3,402 Trader Rating: (19) Feedback Score: 19 reviews	I've had a few people PM me about what parts I used for replacing my ball joints and every website I used has updated their pages, so none of the links work on the 1st post. If you wouldn't mind updating it please do: - (4) COM series Aurora 3/4" spherical bearings - Aurora Rod Ends COM-12 - (4) 3/4" spherical bearing weld in housings UB Machine 48-1211 - (4) 3/4" Spherical Bearing Snap Rings - UB Machine 48-5143 - (4) Coleman Racing extra long ball joint studs with Chevy 7º taper - Stud, Mono-Ball, Extra Long - Racing Parts and Products - (1) 7º taper drill bit from Speedway Motorsports- Tapered Ball Joint Reamers - 7 Degree - Speedway Motors, America's Oldest Speed Shop - (4) pairs of 3/4 to 5/8 high misalignment spacers - High Misalignment Spacer - 3/4" to 5/8" Stainless Steel (pair) Barnes4WD.com - Off Road Fabrication Parts ___________________________ That all adds up to $321.31 + shipping. Now that there are available products, I'd personally get the PSM front knuckle kit and do what I did to the rear LCA. That would be ~$500 for the PSM stuff and ~$200 for the reamer (which is 80 bucks) and stuff to the rear LCAs. Definitely more money but much cheaper then doing a full front and rear knuckle set up (like driftworks). __________________ Instagram - SJKnoop

12-01-2011, 02:58 PM	#3421
GripTerror Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Canada Age: 39 Posts: 685 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I really wish they would make an insane grip setup as they are doing an insane drift setup. If they are going that insane with CAD drawings, simulations, etc....

12-02-2011, 06:12 PM	#3425
Patrick Bowering Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 35 Posts: 145 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Does this mean that you have remade your inner tie rods?

12-04-2011, 02:33 PM	#3426
Motary Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Estonia Age: 35 Posts: 450 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	About the upcoming wisefab kit, it is going to include a brand new knuckle!

12-05-2011, 02:59 PM	#3428
GripTerror Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Canada Age: 39 Posts: 685 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	man i love the competition and how pbm is out to excel vs the competition It's exciting!

12-06-2011, 03:27 AM	#3430
Motary Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Estonia Age: 35 Posts: 450 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	What is ITR and SREB?

12-06-2011, 04:20 AM	#3431
ch1873857 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Andrews Air Force Base Posts: 1,906 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	steering rack eccentric bushing oh. and inner tie rod

12-06-2011, 10:24 AM	#3434
ch1873857 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Andrews Air Force Base Posts: 1,906 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	For a second, the way you were talking, made me think. oh noes. google is down. As stated before by Dan, the modified subframe, is essentially doing the same thing that eccentric bushings are done. it was like on the last page.

12-06-2011, 05:07 PM	#3437
Chris28 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: 757/919 Age: 34 Posts: 196 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Awesome idea using eccentric bushings to space the rack forward without modifying the subframe. I'll definitely be getting a set when they are released.

12-06-2011, 07:39 PM	#3439
1337 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2008 Location: sjca. Age: 36 Posts: 341 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	will the powershopmax spacers work without breaking racks like the driftworks one?? knuckle problem

12-07-2011, 03:52 AM	#3442
az_240 Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phx Posts: 3,097 Trader Rating: (41) Feedback Score: 41 reviews	^stock ^modified rack location about 20mm forward (sorry, crappy iphone pic) The PSM eccentric rack bushings move the rack forward about 6mm just to give an idea. Pairing the two probably wouldn't work... just not enough room. This is a great alternative to offset rack spacers. Sy90 if you need a long tie rod setup the two popular ones seem to be the ikeya forumla inners that PSM sells with stock/tein outers or stock/tein s14 inners with SPL outers.

12-07-2011, 03:02 PM	#3447
mikerbike Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: SLC, UT Age: 41 Posts: 461 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You mean space the RLCA down from the upright? That definitely doesn't seem like a good idea. Camber gain? Didn't MAX Dan already talk about that in this very thread?

12-07-2011, 05:09 PM	#3448
95KA-Turbo Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: LA Age: 39 Posts: 3,402 Trader Rating: (19) Feedback Score: 19 reviews	I haven't had any issues with mine, the rear of my car feels super stable and I have just the right amount of grip. __________________ Instagram - SJKnoop

12-07-2011, 08:10 PM	#3449
Chris28 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: 757/919 Age: 34 Posts: 196 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I'm a little confused...are the eccentric rack bushings PSM's only solution to overcentering? At one point it seemed like PSM was going to go the driftworks route and have an offset inner tie rod spacer, but I might be thinking that from before Dan released the offset rack bushing data. How much of a difference does 6mm make? People are moving their racks as much as 1" forward, will 6mm be enough to keep up with the angle that the pro knuckle mod gives? Will the new inner tie rod design also help decrease overcentering issues?

12-07-2011, 08:30 PM	#3450
95KA-Turbo Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: LA Age: 39 Posts: 3,402 Trader Rating: (19) Feedback Score: 19 reviews	I have pro knuckles and no steering rack correction and there is no overcentering. I would assume you'd only have issues if you have tubular lower control arms and a shit ton of caster. Then again, I don't know why you'd ever need more angle then what my car has right now, lol. __________________ Instagram - SJKnoop