The Hyundai Genesis Coupe/Sedan thread

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by !Zar!

Better buy some aftermarket airbags.

I've survived two crashes without air bags. And I'm sure there are cases of Camry and Accord's air bags not going off too.

[usdm180sx]

Meh, I'll take the 370z instead.

[510-SR20DET]

Lets wait for 5 years later then we discuss about this car okay? There must be a reason why it costs only 20G. Do you see any reliable turbocharged car cost 20G? or maybe this will be the first who knows lets wait and see.

[irax]

Originally Posted by 510-SR20DET

Lets wait for 5 years later then we discuss about this car okay? There must be a reason why it costs only 20G. Do you see any reliable turbocharged car cost 20G? or maybe this will be the first who knows lets wait and see.

the miata when it was offered turbo was like 25k
the FC rx7 was a mid 20's aswel
silvia was less than 20k in the areas it was sold.

[Gnnr]

Originally Posted by irax

How many D1/FD comps have you competed in? Or even legitimate racing competitions have you been in? Rhys Millen and his father Rod have more years in racing than Hyundai has been around! I'm pretty sure if he put canards up front it was for a purpose. He knows how to build racecars not just drift cars.

I'm no Lewis Hamilton, I'm just skeptical if its actually functional in this particular car, that's all. The bottom diffuser is easier to figure out, but the smaller windlets usually require serious testing. But from what you're saying maybe they do have access to a windtunnel. Didn't mean to upset anyone...

[ronmcdon]

Originally Posted by 510-SR20DET

Lets wait for 5 years later then we discuss about this car okay? There must be a reason why it costs only 20G. Do you see any reliable turbocharged car cost 20G? or maybe this will be the first who knows lets wait and see.

It's not really that much of a stretch when you consider that we've been getting better and better values throughout the yrs. You figure a 24k Mazdaspeed3, a 25k WRX, a 30k 370z, and a 33 evo are pretty solid anyways. FD's & Supras of the 90's were going for 40-50k.
For another company to come out with a 23.5k car doesn't seem to fall out of line with the status quo. If anything, you might even complain its under-powered when measured against it's competitors.

Now, speaking for myself, I am a little skeptical that Hyundai can pull off creating a good performance road car, given they've probably never done this before. Only time will tell. At the same time I do hope Hyundai can do well with the Coupe, because it would be truly great to have a 24k turbo rwd car option on the market. If it does well, hopefully it'll encourage other manufacturers to do the same. Think Toyota is already working on something similar iirc.

[irax]

Originally Posted by Gnnr

I'm no Lewis Hamilton, I'm just skeptical if its actually functional in this particular car, that's all. The bottom diffuser is easier to figure out, but the smaller windlets usually require serious testing. But from what you're saying maybe they do have access to a windtunnel. Didn't mean to upset anyone...

I'm not upset and I would understand if that comment was about some pro-am drifter, or a street drifters car. But it is a race car that is serious business. Like my car is going to be all sorts of nasty and mostly because of looks though.

[Gnnr]

Got ya.

Whats that bag above the steering wheel in the second pic? I don't see it in the first one. Could it be two unrelated pics? Oddly the pics are different sizes...

[irax]

Originally Posted by ronmcdon

Now, speaking for myself, I am a little skeptical that Hyundai can pull off creating a good performance road car, given they've probably never done this before. Only time will tell. At the same time I do hope Hyundai can do well with the Coupe, because it would be truly great to have a 24k turbo rwd car option on the market. If it does well, hopefully it'll encourage other manufacturers to do the same. Think Toyota is already working on something similar iirc.

after taking a good long look at this I am second guessing its ability to perform well








look how close the struts are to the fire wall

Originally Posted by Gnnr

Got ya.

Whats that bag above the steering wheel in the second pic? I don't see it in the first one. Could it be two unrelated pics? Oddly the pics are different sizes...

I dont know, but it looks like the bags deployed to me, probably had to cut them off to get the passenger or driver out. it happens.

[DC Dan MAX USA]

lol leave it to Zar to come in with the bubble burster its like his trademark.

I'm sure the car would not even be released in the Overly-Litigous States Of America if that action was observed by the NHTSA during crash tests.

Theres alot of speculation about that picture of the web but who really knows - Was this a pre production proto car in Korea?

Why is the strut tower of any significance? How is that different from this:

[murda-c]

^not a strut suspension car.

passenger side exhaust mani on the four cylinder

[amdnivram]

i was reading a while back about the prices of the s14 and the genesis now, i hope people were taking in the fact that its cheaper and easier to make cars now, which means it wouldnt have been cheaper, if not equal to what a s14 was.

[!Zar!]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

I've survived two crashes without air bags. And I'm sure there are cases of Camry and Accord's air bags not going off too.

I'm glad you were ok and all, but that isn't where I'm getting at.

You figure there are XXXX amount of Hyundai Genesis' on the road and most haven't gone through extensive damage yet.

This one didn't work at all.

Camry's/Accord's bags that didn't deploy? I think the lifespan of an airbag is only 4 years. But in Hyundai's case, maybe it's 4 weeks?

Originally Posted by irax

after taking a good long look at this I am second guessing its ability to perform well




I dont know, but it looks like the bags deployed to me, probably had to cut them off to get the passenger or driver out. it happens.

I kind of think that that isn't a finished picture of that car.

Because the turbo would melt the fuse cover and other accessories within the immediate area.

Originally Posted by DC Dan MAX USA

lol leave it to Zar to come in with the bubble burster its like his trademark.

I'm sure the car would not even be released in the Overly-Litigous States Of America if that action was observed by the NHTSA during crash tests.

Theres alot of speculation about that picture of the web but who really knows - Was this a pre production proto car in Korea?

haha

I figured I'd stir it up a little. Always need a counterargument.

Safety isn't big in Korea from a driving standpoint.

I wouldn't doubt it if the car wasn't road ready yet, I agree with you on that.


Anywho, why isn't anyone driving a mazdaspeed miata?

I mean it's rwd, turbo and cheap. Not to mention it handles great.

[BOROSUN]

the lack of cargo room and seats. not everyone can rock a radster and look good. (not gey)


i read around some say the dude didn't wear his seat belts from the look of the steeringwheel so, the bags didn't deploy.

and its true.


also http://www.autoblog.com/2008/08/28/5...a-crash-tests/... to end this. 5 stars whaaaaat.

[irax]

Originally Posted by DC Dan MAX USA

Why is the strut tower of any significance? How is that different from this:

if you look in this picture you can see that the strut bar go across the front of the engine, infront of cylinders number 1 and 2. This is why the 350z is a midship rwd car and not a FR car. Having the engine this far back behind the struts effects(affects?) the handling. as you can see from the hyundai the struts are all the way by the firewall almost behind the engine. This cant be good for handling. If we know that the engine being centered with the struts; handling is ok. And if the engine is behind the struts; the handling is best. We can deduce that having the engine all the way in front of the struts may not be good in theory.

[HyperTek]

crazy how that hks cars intake is still plumbed to the air box... maybe they are working on a carb legal kit...

[aoiken3]

Originally Posted by irax

if you look in this picture you can see that the strut bar go across the front of the engine, infront of cylinders number 1 and 2. This is why the 350z is a midship rwd car and not a FR car. Having the engine this far back behind the struts effects(affects?) the handling. as you can see from the hyundai the struts are all the way by the firewall almost behind the engine. This cant be good for handling. If we know that the engine being centered with the struts; handling is ok. And if the engine is behind the struts; the handling is best. We can deduce that having the engine all the way in front of the struts may not be good in theory.

point made. but if this theory is relative, i wonder how the millen's genesis is set up to overcome this

[IJDMDRIFTI]

I think it looks like the Infinity g37

anyone know the release date on this?

[HyperTek]

regarding the weight.. the rear weight distribution probably evens it out... i have a few auto mag subscriptions and i havent seen a journal write up on this car yet.

[BOROSUN]

i think the z is a front-mid ship.

GC has the typical macpharsen style with its positive caster in the design.
http://www.hyundaigenesis.com/coupe/assets/Genesis%20Coupe%20Specs.pdf
check out the top view. where the top strut and center of the wheel should be .

its weight distribution should be around 55/45 its not bad at all.
* i lookup the sedan wd is 53/47 for the v8 and 52/48 for the v6. i hope its the same for the coupe.

[idriveattz32]

The coupe should be available sometime soon, like late March or April. The 2.0T R-spec is due to out in summer.

I noticed the strut placement as well and it was discouraging to see, especially since Hyundai purposely benchmarked the cars handling aspects after the e46 M3. I'm sure it all comes out in the wash in terms of handling, stiffness and weight distribution...I mean hell, my G35 doesnt have the best weight distribution either, but it still handles well (but thats cuz Nissan rocks).

I'm looking forward to the car showing up on lots so I can test drive it. I'm seriously considering it due to its affordability and potential with the turbo-4.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by !Zar!

I'm glad you were ok and all, but that isn't where I'm getting at.

You figure there are XXXX amount of Hyundai Genesis' on the road and most haven't gone through extensive damage yet.

This one didn't work at all.

Camry's/Accord's bags that didn't deploy? I think the lifespan of an airbag is only 4 years. But in Hyundai's case, maybe it's 4 weeks?

Hyundai does make safe cars for America. Emphasis on "for America". This air bag issue could be a fluke or it could be a valid issue. It may be a kink they need to work out. This is a good reason why you should buy new cars two years or more into their life cycle.

Originally Posted by !Zar!

Anywho, why isn't anyone driving a mazdaspeed miata?

I mean it's rwd, turbo and cheap. Not to mention it handles great.

I like those cars but I'm not a huge fan of verts.

[TheWolf]

Originally Posted by irax

if you look in this picture you can see that the strut bar go across the front of the engine, infront of cylinders number 1 and 2. This is why the 350z is a midship rwd car and not a FR car. Having the engine this far back behind the struts effects(affects?) the handling. as you can see from the hyundai the struts are all the way by the firewall almost behind the engine. This cant be good for handling. If we know that the engine being centered with the struts; handling is ok. And if the engine is behind the struts; the handling is best. We can deduce that having the engine all the way in front of the struts may not be good in theory.

has nothing to do where the struts are but has to do with wheel centerline. This used to be an issue when engines were 650lb cast iron and had 60lb gearboxes behind them. It's no longer an issue when the engines are 350lbs and have 135lb 6spds behind them.

[irax]

Originally Posted by TheWolf

has nothing to do where the struts are but has to do with wheel centerline. This used to be an issue when engines were 650lb cast iron and had 60lb gearboxes behind them. It's no longer an issue when the engines are 350lbs and have 135lb 6spds behind them.

well like i said its in theory. but that doesn't explain why it has so much caster or how it is going to affect it. I mean if you look at the cantilever suspension race cars they typically don't have much in front of the suspension and that is how they get to use that kind of caster... i dont know i just think it looks weird that the strut tops are that far back.

[irax]

this is what it looks like to me

[vvtisupra]

drove the us 4cylinder turbo version with the brembos the other day. Feels good. Engine note is similar to an evo 10. The car isn't fast but it is quick. Handles pretty well. Doesn't feel like the 3000+ lbs stated.


As far as the above pictures about the airbags. You have actually see the accident or recreate the accident before you can start talking about the vehicle being unsafe. First thing you have to look at is the first incident or contact. It can be a safety hazzard to have a side impact first and then have the air bags go off. I've seen incidences where side impact causing airbags to go off can push glass into the occupants face at forces strong enough to break your cheek bones. For those of you on ziptied its already been explained and pretty much am using the same information because we use to work at the same firm.

The main thing you should look at is the occupants safety zone or egg shell that we sit in. The structure still seems intact which indicates a relatively safe impact zone. What could have caused the driver of the car to be critically injured is the fact taht the occupant may have not been wearing a seat belt. If anything that genesis looks pretty safe from what had occurred. The crush zones absorbed the impact and the cabin structure looks intact.

[98koukile]

^What he said.
Plus we don't know what safety regulations they have in Korea. Assume from that picture that they weren't wearing the seatbelt, in some countries the airbag does not deploy when you don't have a seatbelt on because the occupant would fly forward, then the airbag could snap their neck when pushing them in the opposite direction.
As for the struts, only time will tell with them, from pictures I've seen of the coilovers they mount like ours so I can't see the angle being as serious is Irax picture. They look a good 4-5" forward of that. I think what throws you off is the angle of the picture and how the actual bar is the rear most part of the assembly. We'll see

[!Zar!]

Originally Posted by irax

this is what it looks like to me

Oh my gosh. That's hella caster unless it's double wishbone. I haven't focused on the car and it's specs, so who knows...

But either way, a shock shouldn't be angled like that. It makes the shock feel stiffer than it should be.

But whatever. I'm on my phone and don't feel like getting technical.

[Gnnr]

For what its worth

Genesis Coupe’s body shell is rich in ultra-high-tensile steel. Genesis Coupe is lighter than the Infiniti G37, and its chassis is also 24 percent stiffer in bending rigidity than the BMW E46 M3. Rear-wheel drive provides a 55:45 front/rear weight distribution.

Front


Rear


Information:
http://www.hyundai.com.au/hyundai-ge...n/default.aspx

[BOROSUN]

everywhere around the world all airbags won't work if you don't wear seat belts. that's what SRS does.

that caster angle is crazy. here's the rmr car.