The Future Automotive Thread

[ghoti]

Originally Posted by Matej

When are people finally going to start putting motorcycle V4's in 240's? Some of them are making over 200hp stock, weigh nothing,

When I don't have to open my door and stick my leg out to push the car backwards.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

Spy photos of the next Ford Mustang protoype

2015 Ford Mustang shows its face in public - Autoblog

From what little I see, I still think this car is shaping up to be a good RWD coupe.

Ewww...front end looks very very similar.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by racepar1

I'm a mechanic for a living, I drive all kinds of cars

You change oil and check brakes - doesn't make you an expect and driving a 5.0 around the block isn't "driving a 5.0".

Originally Posted by racepar1

Steering feel and response is one of the most important aspects of a sportscar.

...and?

Originally Posted by racepar1

I
Sorry, it's inferior and there is no valid argument against that. It's especially inferior because it has a panhard bar. Your roll center with a panhard bar raises when the car rolls one direction and drops when the car rolls the other. An inconsistent roll center is never desirable. If Ford really wanted to make the BEST SLA setup they could they would have a watts link. Yes, I know more about solid axles than you as well... .

.....yawnzzzzzzz. It out handles it's IRS rivals. No Fucks Given.

Originally Posted by racepar1

If you're going to be all gaga over a differential shouldn't it be a Ford 9"? Most drag guys toss that 8.8 shit in the trash for the 9"...

Once again, so what.

Originally Posted by racepar1

The M3 is HARDLY the epitome of performance cars. It is a valid comparison against the mustang though since they are both supposedly "sports sedans".

Actually it is. It is having your cake and eating it too. For the last 20 years people have raved about how you can have a dynamic, crisp high performance car with amazing driver feed back, excellent power and great fuel economy... while not having to sacrifice ride comfort, interior space or luxury comforts.

Originally Posted by racepar1

Neither the S197 or the Boss 302 are standard production models.

S197 is the chassis code for the +2005 Mustang.

A Boss 302 is readily available and is only $42k. That's half the price of an M3.

Originally Posted by racepar1

They are special models and pretty damned expensive. I would bet that if BMW put out a special edition M3 the results would be quite different.

M3 already is a "special package" and it starts at $60,000.

Originally Posted by racepar1

Most enthusiasts care very deeply about how well the seats hold them in.

And those "enthusiasts" buy aftermarket seats.

Tried the Boss 302 seats? (avail. for ~ $3,000)



or Cobra Seats

Originally Posted by racepar1

What kind of a weirdo would swap Bride's into a Ford???

Insecure?

Originally Posted by racepar1

I like light nimble cars. I don't even like any of the cars on your little list there. You probably shouldn't be telling people what's their favorite if you don't actually know what that is.

Then go buy a Miata.

Originally Posted by racepar1

I HATE mustangs. I see no similarity between the Mustang and the 240...

So you irrationally hate something and thus are unable to understand how the 240sx and RWD Celicas are it's Japanese cousins.

[Matej]

Snakes on the seats, fake scoops, gaudy factory colors, racing stripes.

Mustangs are radical.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Matej

Snakes on the seats, fake scoops, gaudy factory colors, racing stripes.

Mustangs are radical.

Nobody says you have to do that -

[IMG][/IMG]

As for the Logo Seats - so what, ever seen the stupid logos on Brides?

[kingkilburn]

This discussion took a left turn to stupid.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by Corbic

You change oil and check brakes - doesn't make you an expect and driving a 5.0 around the block isn't "driving a 5.0".

Ah Corbic you need to check yourself here man. Racepar is far from an oil changer and brake checker. He is a ASE Certified Master Mechanic . In fact he is the chief mechanic at AAA approved repair shop. If you don't know AAA approval is not an easy thing for a shop to get.

He can and has torn apart and put back together everything from Huge trucks to offshore powerboats and exotic sports cars. He can pretty much tackle anything you can throw at him when it comes to car/truck/ boat repair and has a background in Suspension design. Leading back to childhood and working with his dad on his dad's Formula Atlantic car.
He knows what he is talking about when it comes to this stuff. I can pretty much safely say you probably do not have the kind of experience that he has in this stuff.

[SimpleS14]

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Ewww...front end looks very very similar.

Ford sticking to the same design language for all their cars.

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

This discussion took a left turn to stupid.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

This discussion took a left turn to stupid.

Quite. Lets bring it back

Originally Posted by K_style

which I can see the possibilities.

2.0 turbo for GT86
2.5 N/A for FRS

WTF really???

Silvia
240Sx

I would have never thought that a company would consider doing that again. I would not understand it a bit. The entire internet has been aflame with people calling for a turbo. I get ditching the boxer for a I4. It would probably cost less and make the car more Toyota's.

I can see it now, 15 years from now people arguing on toyobaru (zilvia for frs/brz also owned by West) about importing the turbo vs building and turboing the N/A.....sigh..

All we want is relatively light weight, rwd, attractive, turbo car. 250-280hp stock with a stout engine that can support 400+ without serious engine mods. Tight steering, good handling with room for improvement via the after market.

Is that so much to ask? Looking at you Nissan and Toyota.

[LoneStarSilvia]

Originally Posted by Future240

Quite. Lets bring it back





All we want is relatively light weight, rwd, attractive, turbo car. 250-280hp stock with a stout engine that can support 400+ without serious engine mods. Tight steering, good handling with room for improvement via the after market.

Seriously. I've never been a Honda anything fan until owning one of these. The prices are dropping, and they're largely reliable cars. Bolt on supercharger's are easily putting them over 300whp...and once again, while doing it reliably.

[Future240]

The S2000 is cool and all. However it does not fit the bill as it is N/A from the factory. More importantly, for me anyways, much to my chagrin it is a cabrio.

Honestly if I were to build an S2000 I would want a higher compression N/A engine with a built head that can rev to infinity. I would build it like the Amuse S2000.

[racepar1]

Originally Posted by Future240

The S2000 is cool and all. However it does not fit the bill as it is N/A from the factory. More importantly, for me anyways, much to my chagrin it is a cabrio.

Honestly if I were to build an S2000 I would want a higher compression N/A engine with a built head that can rev to infinity. I would build it like the Amuse S2000.

I've got a LOT of respect for the S2k's myself, but I just don't want one. Maybe it's because it's a Honda, maybe it's because it's a convertible. I just don't want one.

Enough of the Mustangs already, just because Corbic has the hugest hard-on for them doesn't make him right or anyone else wrong. I DO NOT like Mustangs or Ford. I was raised on Corvettes, when it comes to US manufacturers it's Chevy or nothing IMO. If Corbic can't handle that then that's his problem...

[LoneStarSilvia]

Trust me, Honda and convertible were the 2 biggest reasons I never wanted one. But after driving one hard, the car proved how much of a close minded idiot I was being.

I slapped a hard top on mine and never looked back. Don't get me wrong, blasting around with the top down is fun, but never been a convertible fan. Driving it hard constantly with no breaking and overheating killed any "It's a Honda" negative thoughts I had and I found a new found respect for the company.

But still, to hell with their FWD division.

[silverarrow27]

Always had a soft spot for Hondas, just not their torque numbers so much.

[kingkilburn]

I'd need a roll bar and hardtop day one to want to mess with an S2000. I find them to be beautiful cars but I just feel too big to be in a soft top that small.

I'll never get why the S2k, Miata, and Solstice all came to market as only a soft top. I get not having a hardtop convertible on a car that small but give me a real coupe as an option please.


P.S.
Dat cluster.

[Matej]

Originally Posted by Corbic

The funny thing is that a 240SX with those same exterior modifications would be dismissed as generic/cheap/ugly/lame/played-out, not to mention those disproportionally small-looking wheels qualify the vehicle for the 'dorisha' thread.


Though I am biased because I find the Mustang to be one of the most hideous cars of the past decade, as it just looks like a blob of metal and plastic on wheels. The only way it could look decent is if they cut out about one third of the body height from below the window line.

Also, while the new Mustang is supposed to be smaller, I am still curious what the reasoning was behind ever deciding to make a sporty two-door car wider and taller than full-size family sedans. It is comical to see the currant Mustang at a stop light dwarfing a Taurus next to it. Though in the size category, the Camaro and Challenger are even worse offenders.

[LoneStarSilvia]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

I'd need a roll bar and hardtop day one to want to mess with an S2000. I find them to be beautiful cars but I just feel too big to be in a soft top that small.

I'll never get why the S2k, Miata, and Solstice all came to market as only a soft top. I get not having a hardtop convertible on a car that small but give me a real coupe as an option please.


P.S.
Dat cluster.

Couldn't agree more, but OEM hardtop or aftermarket are close to good enough.

I believe they did make a Solstice coupe, and S2000 have factory roll bars. They make some really nice LED kits for the clusters, while the interior is very minimalistic, but quite well thought out. Not to mention the smoothest and most precise gearbox I've ever driven from a straight out of the box stock shifter.

[upsdude]

mustang concept looks like across between the taurus and a kia optima :P

edit: so the blue car is the taurus-my mistake, thought it was the mustang concept. that's what i get for reading and watching netflix at the same time

[kingkilburn]

There are a small handful of Solstice coupes running around out there. When Pontiac got the ax they stopped production.

I actually saw one on the freeway once. Equal parts awkward and beautiful.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

There are a small handful of Solstice coupes running around out there. When Pontiac got the ax they stopped production.

I actually saw one on the freeway once. Equal parts awkward and beautiful.

The aftermarket hardtop is slick. A guy I work with has one with a new front bumper and it's hot.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Matej

The funny thing is that a 240SX with those same exterior modifications would be dismissed as generic/cheap/ugly/lame/played-out, not to mention those disproportionally small-looking wheels qualify the vehicle for the 'dorisha' thread.

You should totally check out the Kouiki Type-X thread and see people going ape shit for stock oem cars with TE37s.

Originally Posted by Matej

Though I am biased because I find the Mustang to be one of the most hideous cars of the past decade, as it just looks like a blob of metal and plastic on wheels. The only way it could look decent is if they cut out about one third of the body height from below the window line.
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Time for an eye exam. Also hate to be the bearer of bad news... side impact crash testing.

Nothing designed in the last 10 years has a 1987 Honda Prelude belt line anymore.

Originally Posted by Matej

Also, while the new Mustang is supposed to be smaller, I am still curious what the reasoning was behind ever deciding to make a sporty two-door car wider and taller than full-size family sedans. It is comical to see the currant Mustang at a stop light dwarfing a Taurus next to it. Though in the size category, the Camaro and Challenger are even worse offenders.

About that eye exam.... cause the Mustang totally dwarfs the Taurus, being a foot shorter and a half foot lower.

Taurus : 60.7H 202.9L
Mustsng: 55.6H 188.1L
GTR : 53.9H
M3: 55.8 H
GC: 54.8H

[kingkilburn]

Sometimes it's not about physical size but the perception of that size. Mustangs feel massive.

[kingkilburn]

And lest we forget just what we're talking about here.

[racepar1]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

And lest we forget just what we're talking about here.

DAMN! I didn't realize it was THAT big. Genesis coupes are pretty damn huge. You can see a whole lotta mustang sticking out from behind that Genesis...

[simmode1]

Can someone please list G35/G37 coupe sizes in relation to the Genesis coupe? I mean, since that's the car Hyundai had intended to complete with and undercut on price...

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by simmode1

Can someone please list G35/G37 coupe sizes in relation to the Genesis coupe? I mean, since that's the car Hyundai had intended to complete with and undercut on price...

G37
187 L
57.8 H
69.8 W
3602#

GC
182.3 L
54.5 H
73.4 W
3483# (V6)

Mustang
188.5 L
55.8 H
73.9 W
3501# (V6)



GC is short, G37 is narrow - but they are all in the same ballpark.


Civic Si (for shits and girns)
176.1 L
55 H
69 W
2943#

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by simmode1

Can someone please list G35/G37 coupe sizes in relation to the Genesis coupe? I mean, since that's the car Hyundai had intended to complete with and undercut on price...

I really don't know why Hyundai claims that. Price wise there is a HUGE discrepancy, the cars don't line up package wise either (no 4-banger G37), interior wise the GC is a clear step down and badge prestige and market is rather obvious.

My only thinking is that Hyundai knows that they don't want to get thrown in the pot with the Muscle Cars - since that is the most logical comparison.

Entry car ~$23k, premium big engine car ~$30k; RWD 2+2 coupe, and they are all around the same size and weight...

The problem is, the Camaro and Mustang have an established rabid following and beat the GC in power at each price point by a large margin.

I'd have loved it if Hyundai did a better job styling the car (it's horrific) and instead of screwing with the turbo-4 - sold a base V6 car for $24k and a $32k version with their awesome 5.0 V8 that makes 429hp.

That would have put it right in the face of GM and Ford and it would have trashed the G37 and 370z in performance.

[simmode1]

Personally, I think Hyundai was trying to do what Nissan has done to BMW & other euros for decades: offer a product that nears the Euro performance at a greatly discounted price point in exchange for some refinement. Though the performance and overall quality isn't on the same level with Euros or Infiniti, it's a close enough alternative for the price you're paying. Just my opinion.

I also have an opinion on Hyundai's engine choices that a little different than yours. I think they should have used the bigger turbo on the current 2.0T from the very start, but ditching the integrated manifold & electronic wastegate actuator like they did on the pre-facelift GC. Additionally, implement the direct injection system from the new v6 onto that turbo motor. Hell, GM's Ecotec turbo motors had direct injection years ago... why not Hyundai's turbo too? With the bump in both power and MPG that the new V6 got, I could only imagine how the turbo 4 might benefit...

I think they should have done this for the base model car at $24k & and cut the V6. But I definitely agree with you that the Genesis coupe range topper should have been their 5.0L tau V8 at ~$32k. Lastly, I would not gripe at all about the FRS/BRZ if they offered a turbo model at ~$24k and their N/A model at about $20k.

[exitspeed]

The next Mustang is going to drop 400 lbs and be 15" shorter (shorter then the Genesis Coupe and only 7" longer then the FRS), 6.5" narrower and have shorter overhangs. It will also have IRS. The cost is said to increase by 10% as sell, but fuck that sounds like a great package. So the argument about it being big, heavy, and not having IRS goes out the window next year.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

So the argument about it being big, heavy, and not having IRS goes out the window next year.

I wonder how long it will take the aftermarket for a SLA swap.