The Future Automotive Thread

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Subaru really doesn't deserve any credit for the car. Also, how maby concept cars actually ever go into production. This will still be years out.

Subaru did most of the work. The FRS/BRZ is built on a modified Subaru Impreza platform. Also, the tranny in the car is borrowed from an Impreza too. The development split between the car is pretty much 70% Subbie and 30% Toyota.

[SimpleS14]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Subaru really doesn't deserve any credit for the car.

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[Future240]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Here we go cock suckers!

Nissan To Show A BRZ Fighter Concept And Something More 'Crazy'

I am almost afraid to be excited.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

Subaru did most of the work. The FRS/BRZ is built on a modified Subaru Impreza platform. Also, the tranny in the car is borrowed from an Impreza too. The development split between the car is pretty much 70% Subbie and 30% Toyota.

It is not on a Impreza platform.

I'm calling utter bullshit without any proof. I know for a fact that Toyota unvieled the GT86 concept long before anyone even knew it would be a flat-4 or a joint venture. You can also just look at the damn car and know full well that Subaru's styling team didn't even get to comment on the cars appearance.

[BossHogg]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Here we go cock suckers!

Nissan To Show A BRZ Fighter Concept And Something More 'Crazy'

If its something more crazy. Please be a modern day stagea lol. I want a badass wagon so bad. Something decently big. I know, its far fetched lolololol. But I would rock one for my daily/travel car.

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by Corbic

It is not on a Impreza platform.

I'm calling utter bullshit without any proof. I know for a fact that Toyota unvieled the GT86 concept long before anyone even knew it would be a flat-4 or a joint venture. You can also just look at the damn car and know full well that Subaru's styling team didn't even get to comment on the cars appearance.

not gonna argue with you. call bullshit all you like.


heres another little tidbit though, every FRS/GT86/BRZ is built in Japan at the Subaru plant in the Gunma prefecture...just saying

[zerodameaon]

Originally Posted by Future240

I am almost afraid to be excited.

Why because its going to be a FWD due to Nissan going full retard after the partnership with Renault started?

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by zerodameaon

Why because its going to be a FWD due to Nissan going full retard after the partnership with Renault started?

this is my biggest fear....


there will be no excitement or anticipation coming from this end until i see the 3 magical letters "RWD" pop up in the official press release...

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by BossHogg

If its something more crazy. Please be a modern day stagea lol. I want a badass wagon so bad. Something decently big. I know, its far fetched lolololol. But I would rock one for my daily/travel car.

I can't lie. I'd be more excited for that too. With two kids and all.

[silverarrow27]

It's fwd, it's been in the news for awhile now that the contender is a fwd and may come with an awd option. But it being based on the Juke power/drivetrain, the awd option is going to be boring considering it's probably a CVT like the Juke.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by zerodameaon

Why because its going to be a FWD due to Nissan going full retard after the partnership with Renault started?

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

this is my biggest fear....


there will be no excitement or anticipation coming from this end until i see the 3 magical letters "RWD" pop up in the official press release...

Pretty much. I want so much for it to a RWD coupe with a turbo 4. I would prefer it to be a 2.0 liter, but I would be ok with a 1.6/1.8L.

[BossHogg]

Originally Posted by Future240

Pretty much. I want so much for it to a RWD coupe with a turbo 4. I would prefer it to be a 2.0 liter, but I would be ok with a 1.6/1.8L.

you know how it goes, never buy the first year of release, they only get better after that.

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by BossHogg

you know how it goes, never buy the first year of release, they only get better after that.

yea but keep in mind after the toyota fiasco a few years back, if things go wrong with first gen models, car companies fix that shit QUICK now!!! basically anything and EVERYTHING is covered under warranty (if youre not dicking with voiding your warranty). the FRS/BRZ have issues with condensation in their tail lights. from what ive been reading, toyota will replace the tail lights with NO questions!

[Future240]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

yea but keep in mind after the toyota fiasco a few years back, if things go wrong with first gen models, car companies fix that shit QUICK now!!! basically anything and EVERYTHING is covered under warranty (if youre not dicking with voiding your warranty). the FRS/BRZ have issues with condensation in their tail lights. from what ive been reading, toyota will replace the tail lights with NO questions!

I think he means in term of improvements. Like how the first year Genesis came with 205HP and the second year has 271HP. I could see how the car could debut with a 1.8 liter turbo then year two its a 2.0 liter.

[word sux]

I bet it also uses the juke awd train. And its a nissan so its gonna be ugly.

[BossHogg]

Originally Posted by Future240

I think he means in term of improvements. Like how the first year Genesis came with 205HP and the second year has 271HP. I could see how the car could debut with a 1.8 liter turbo then year two its a 2.0 liter.

exactly. I could care less about warranty issues. It would be the kind of car you buy to modify. Not keep stock. You know if it is stock turbo....your voiding that warranty within the first week lol. As the first thing I would probably do is engine management. I would also use that first year to join forums etc and see what kind of issues and what not are happening with first release owners etc. If it is satisfying enough the first go around, then maybe I would consider getting one right off the bat. That is my logic for cars in general. Not just this nissan rumor.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by BossHogg

exactly. I could care less about warranty issues. It would be the kind of car you buy to modify. Not keep stock. You know if it is stock turbo....your voiding that warranty within the first week lol. As the first thing I would probably do is engine management. I would also use that first year to join forums etc and see what kind of issues and what not are happening with first release owners etc. If it is satisfying enough the first go around, then maybe I would consider getting one right off the bat. That is my logic for cars in general. Not just this nissan rumor.

I personally would wait on engine management for a year or so people can really learn the car. Assuming the car came with decent suspension with an LSD I'd just do a fmic and exhaust tires and wheels.

The more I think about it the more I realize what I want this car to be is so the s15 was. If they harken back to it like the GTR does with the skyline Id be happy. Speaking of course of styling and performance. Not the double clutch/hard to tune ecu.

[mechanicalmoron]

Originally Posted by Future240

I personally would wait on engine management for a year or so people can really learn the car. Assuming the car came with decent suspension with an LSD I'd just do a fmic and exhaust tires and wheels.

The more I think about it the more I realize what I want this car to be is so the s15 was. If they harken back to it like the GTR does with the skyline Id be happy. Speaking of course of styling and performance. Not the double clutch/hard to tune ecu.

See, the problem is they're making cars that "harken back" to real sports cars.

Like the GTR. Yeah, it's impressive, but it just harkens back to it's predecessors.... even thought it's "better" in every way, it's a totally different car, that does not logically follow, but just "harkens back".

The Z started as a little cheap light sports car. Now it's a big expensive GT, they seem to have forgotten that being an expensive GT was exactly what killed the Z32. But hey, it harkens back.

They need to stop making neutered (or prohibitively expensive) cars that harken back to good cars, and start making good cars again. I hate the design approach where we need round tail-lights, but that's it, because we're not making the next skyline, we're making a modern car that harkens back to it - or whatever.

Nissan has tried to move away from that heritage, those design approaches, those price points, those markets.

They killed datsun, and created infinity -- that's the nissan problem in a nutshell. They are not the company that 240 people (or sports car people) want them to be, any more.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by mechanicalmoron

See, the problem is they're making cars that "harken back" to real sports cars.

Like the GTR. Yeah, it's impressive, but it just harkens back to it's predecessors.... even thought it's "better" in every way, it's a totally different car, that does not logically follow, but just "harkens back".

The Z started as a little cheap light sports car. Now it's a big expensive GT, they seem to have forgotten that being an expensive GT was exactly what killed the Z32. But hey, it harkens back.

They need to stop making neutered (or prohibitively expensive) cars that harken back to good cars, and start making good cars again. I hate the design approach where we need round tail-lights, but that's it, because we're not making the next skyline, we're making a modern car that harkens back to it - or whatever.

Nissan has tried to move away from that heritage, those design approaches, those price points, those markets.

They killed datsun, and created infinity -- that's the nissan problem in a nutshell. They are not the company that 240 people (or sports car people) want them to be, any more.

A lot of generalizations here. Fact is the decision to kill the Datsun brand name had to do with Nissan Japan wanting to get all their ducks in a row brand wise world wide. Since outside of the U.S. only a few other countries used the Datsun brand name and Nissan wanted to be known as NIssan. Wise choice? Perhaps not given the immense popularity the brand had garnered here. Yet bringing up this fact in this thread is kind of irrelevant as that happened in the early to mid 80's before the S13/s14/s15 and R32/R33?R34 Skyline.

Creating Infinity was a way to sell upper line Nissan's for a price that they sold for in Japan but the American consumer would have balked at under the Nissan name badge. Same reason Toyota did Lexus and Honda did Acura. Not lame at all but brilliant from a marketing standpoint.
As far as saying they are not a company that sports car people want anymore is again a broad generalization based on your perceived notions as a 240sx owner.

Fact is there are a lot of GTR owners out there that love their GTR's as well as 350/370Z owners. To just write the company off is short sighted. They have stumbled but they stumbled in the late 70's into the early 80's and then again in the late 90's. Its kinda of par for the course with them lol. When they brought the 350Z out the consumers were happy. When they brought the GTR out the consumers were happy.
It's just about time decade wise for them to knock peoples socks off . Whether or not they do that remains to be seen but the next couple of years should be interesting.
We will just have to wait and see.

[BossHogg]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

A lot of generalizations here. Fact is the decision to kill the Datsun brand name had to do with Nissan Japan wanting to get all their ducks in a row brand wise world wide. Since outside of the U.S. only a few other countries used the Datsun brand name and Nissan wanted to be known as NIssan. Wise choice? Perhaps not given the immense popularity the brand had garnered here. Yet bringing up this fact in this thread is kind of irrelevant as that happened in the early to mid 80's before the S13/s14/s15 and R32/R33?R34 Skyline.

Creating Infinity was a way to sell upper line Nissan's for a price that they sold for in Japan but the American consumer would have balked at under the Nissan name badge. Same reason Toyota did Lexus and Honda did Acura. Not lame at all but brilliant from a marketing standpoint.
As far as saying they are not a company that sports car people want anymore is again a broad generalization based on your perceived notions as a 240sx owner.

Fact is there are a lot of GTR owners out there that love their GTR's as well as 350/370Z owners. To just write the company off is short sighted. They have stumbled but they stumbled in the late 70's into the early 80's and then again in the late 90's. Its kinda of par for the course with them lol. When they brought the 350Z out the consumers were happy. When they brought the GTR out the consumers were happy.
It's just about time decade wise for them to knock peoples socks off . Whether or not they do that remains to be seen but the next couple of years should be interesting.
We will just have to wait and see.

I could not agree more. Just when we all think nissan has lost it(in the cheap sports car category)....they are going to slap us in the face with something great.....at least I hope haha. No matter what though, you can't please everyone. See what got me about that article above was they said

"Britain's Whatcar reports that the BRZ fighter concept will be closer to a production car than the crazy one and derived from their history, but they stressed that it will not be a Z car."

I bolded the important part. BRZ fighter....goes hand in hand with a s-chasis lineup vehicle. Which is why I don't see a fwd or awd car being made. Not saying they are going to necessarily bring back the s-chasis as we know it. But they supposedly did scrap the project in 2008. What a great way to cover up any interest/high hopes/project plans etc. How close was it to production before the industry collapsed? That was 5 years ago. Other companies have since stepped up as the example to beat here is the BRZ/FRS. I'm just saying, it makes perfect sense to me. Maybe they polished it off. Or maybe I should wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which fills first.

I'm not sure why I even care lol. I don't know if I want a 4 cyl motor. Hell I took the one out of my 240. I think I just want to see a new 240 type of car from nissan.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by BossHogg

I could not agree more. Just when we all think nissan has lost it(in the cheap sports car category)....they are going to slap us in the face with something great.....at least I hope haha. No matter what though, you can't please everyone. See what got me about that article above was they said

"Britain's Whatcar reports that the BRZ fighter concept will be closer to a production car than the crazy one and derived from their history, but they stressed that it will not be a Z car."

I bolded the important part. BRZ fighter....goes hand in hand with a s-chasis lineup vehicle. Which is why I don't see a fwd or awd car being made. Not saying they are going to necessarily bring back the s-chasis as we know it. But they supposedly did scrap the project in 2008. What a great way to cover up any interest/high hopes/project plans etc. How close was it to production before the industry collapsed? That was 5 years ago. Other companies have since stepped up as the example to beat here is the BRZ/FRS. I'm just saying, it makes perfect sense to me. Maybe they polished it off. Or maybe I should wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which fills first.

I'm not sure why I even care lol. I don't know if I want a 4 cyl motor. Hell I took the one out of my 240. I think I just want to see a new 240 type of car from nissan.

Well put and I agree on the why should I care comment. As much as the FRS/BRZ does get my attention? I also took the 4 cylinder out of my car and am in the process of putting something else in.

I am more interested in seeing what they do with the Z car. LOL

[dorkidori_s13]

would be amusing if the car were a reincarnation of the 510 hahahah

[BossHogg]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

would be amusing if the car were a reincarnation of the 510 hahahah

now if they did some kind of retro thing and still gave it the old school look with just modern day accents.....then I would probably buy one 4 cyl or not lol. That would be something I wouldn't mind keeping somewhat stock for some time. Maybe just throw the catalog of nismo goods at it.

run that 4 banger till its out of warranty....then swap in something else in 10 years lol or just build up whatever motor it did come with.

[Future240]

I would be fine with a 4 banger if it was as potent and reliable as the SR.

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by Future240

I would be fine with a 4 banger if it was as potent and reliable as the SR.

lets not get our hopes up yet, the stupid thing has to be RWD first

[zerodameaon]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

lets not get our hopes up yet, the stupid thing has to be RWD first

Or even in the "car" class for that matter. We could see a Juke lowered and widened a little to allow it into SCCA since they are asleep at the wheel.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by BossHogg

now if they did some kind of retro thing and still gave it the old school look with just modern day accents.....then I would probably buy one 4 cyl or not lol. That would be something I wouldn't mind keeping somewhat stock for some time. Maybe just throw the catalog of nismo goods at it.

run that 4 banger till its out of warranty....then swap in something else in 10 years lol or just build up whatever motor it did come with.

Like the Ford 012C from a few years ago?
I like it, but I wouldn't buy it.



I'd want my dream Nissan to be a 599xx inspired car with a 2.5l VQ that revs to 8, 2000rpm.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by zerodameaon

Or even in the "car" class for that matter. We could see a Juke lowered and widened a little to allow it into SCCA since they are asleep at the wheel.

The Juke is a Joke. For as cramped and cheap as the interior is, the car is extremely overpriced. It is also impractical. I'd take a 500 over it any day

[SimpleS14]

Originally Posted by BossHogg

If its something more crazy. Please be a modern day stagea lol. I want a badass wagon so bad. Something decently big. I know, its far fetched lolololol. But I would rock one for my daily/travel car.

Would you go for something like this?

[BossHogg]

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

Would you go for something like this?

probably not, that thing doesn't have a big enough motor. Looks ok, but would be seriously lacking. At least the stagea was rwd or awd and had rb motor. The skyline wagon as it was nick-named.