Zilvia Gun Thread

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by niscur29

I would rather deregister it, which would end my trust, then sell it seperately as an AR lower and Pistol Upper.

I'm not sure that is possible. If you are building it, you wil have to have your information etched into it. My understanding is - Once Class 3 - always Class 3.

Once a receiver is marked "SBR" it will always be a "SBR" regardless if you transform it into a Pistol or Rifle again. It's just a "SBR" without a stock, or a "SBR" with a 16" barrel.

If you are trying to build a M4 clone, just get a 14.5" barrel with the Flash-Hider pinned on. It brings the total length to 16" and makes you a fully legal rifle with the shorter barrel.


Ugh, enough of this AR talk. I can't stand the system, my PSA M4 fails to extract at least 1 in every 100 rounds.

[niscur29]

You can "unregister" is as an SBR but it doesnt come off the "LIST". You have to contact the ATF notify its no longer an SBR, mail back stamp etc. You dont have to mark/identify the firearm "SBR" in anyway shape or form. You have to mark the weapon with the owner/location etc. The new owner would of course have a lower with the previous owners name/location but they dont have to go through the hassle with stamps.

An M4 clone still isnt as bad ass an a true SBR. I love my 10.5 with the noveske flash hider on it. I loud as hell, huge flash out the front on occasion, and is generally just bad ass. Would love to do a 7.5" 22lr conversion next. But CC is tops on my list once Im back to FL.

Can't stand the AR system!? I have owned several types of uppers/lowers in various configs and have literally never had a single problem with any of them. Tell you what though im shocked at the prices of these things now accessories and mags included. All my stuff was pre obama and while prices were high they were nothing like this now.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by niscur29

Can't stand the AR system!? I have owned several types of uppers/lowers in various configs and have literally never had a single problem with any of them. Tell you what though im shocked at the prices of these things now accessories and mags included. All my stuff was pre obama and while prices were high they were nothing like this now.

AR Prices are in the toilet last I saw. I built the PSA M4 with S&W lower for $500 last Thanksgiving. Picked up a pile of mags for $5-10 each (some magpul, some metal).

AK prices are through the roof however. 10 years ago I paid $180 for a WASR from Duhams, $80 for a Mosin, $100 for a Yugo-SKS and even had two Chinese SKSs I Paid $200 for (together).

Now WASRs are +$550, kits are are over $300, and everything else has doubled in price. I bought my first AK-74 mags, 4 brownies with polish pouch, for $15.99 shipped. I don't think you can buy one for that these days!!!

[BarrigaS14]

Nothing special.

Duty issued:

Bushmaster AR15
Glock 21

Personal:

DPMS AR15
Glock 22 (former LEO)
Mossberg 12 gauge

I like the AR platform and I am looking at building a 300blk AR.

[h2v7]

[DS562]

ah the judge....i need me one of them. make it two.

[onehundredoctane]

AR lower shipping to my FFL today, good to know I'll at least have one AR by the time the Obama "assault rifle" ban begins. Picked up a New Frontier Armory LW-15, polymer lower for $124 shipped also picked up 10 Magpul Pmags from Brownells for $99.

[jesse_s13]

Originally Posted by onehundredoctane

AR lower shipping to my FFL today, good to know I'll at least have one AR by the time the Obama "assault rifle" ban begins. Picked up a New Frontier Armory LW-15, polymer lower for $124 shipped also picked up 10 Magpul Pmags from Brownells for $99.

Ohhhhhh might pick one up. Thats a good price.

[Corbic]

Anyone know what a good price is for a vinage revolver? I was thinking of picking up a 50's or 60's deal, 38, 44, 357 - no care, but I was wondering if there is anything that is out there in the sub $300 range.

[S14DB]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Anyone know what a good price is for a vinage revolver? I was thinking of picking up a 50's or 60's deal, 38, 44, 357 - no care, but I was wondering if there is anything that is out there in the sub $300 range.

Pawn Shops. Unless we are talking 1850's 60's. But that's a whole nother price range. 1950/60's stuff is just old "Junk" in their mind. Easy to get stuff in the 100-300 range.

[1 88 U]

Originally Posted by onehundredoctane

AR lower shipping to my FFL today, good to know I'll at least have one AR by the time the Obama "assault rifle" ban begins. Picked up a New Frontier Armory LW-15, polymer lower for $124 shipped also picked up 10 Magpul Pmags from Brownells for $99.

I seriously doubt they can pass an "assault rifle" ban. They might succeed with the high capacity mag ban though.

[bc.]

I have been looking to get my first handgun for a few months, now that I have graduated and have a job. I go shooting about 5 times a year, so I am somewhat familiar with guns and shooting, but I probably couldn't field strip one.

Anyway, I am going shooting at a range in a week or so to rent out some pistols before I chose to buy one, I have hated some pistols I have shot so don't want to waste money.

My question is this, does anybody have a good recommendation for a starter pistol they could add to my list of guns to try? I do not look to conceal carry, prefer 9mm and barrel length close to 5" or something touted for its accuracy.

My list so far:
-SW M&P
-Sig P226
-Glock G17?

Thanks for you help

[gist864]

Originally Posted by bc.

I have been looking to get my first handgun for a few months, now that I have graduated and have a job. I go shooting about 5 times a year, so I am somewhat familiar with guns and shooting, but I probably couldn't field strip one.

Anyway, I am going shooting at a range in a week or so to rent out some pistols before I chose to buy one, I have hated some pistols I have shot so don't want to waste money.

My question is this, does anybody have a good recommendation for a starter pistol they could add to my list of guns to try? I do not look to conceal carry, prefer 9mm and barrel length close to 5" or something touted for its accuracy.

My list so far:
-SW M&P
-Sig P226
-Glock G17?

Thanks for you help

I have a springfield XD 9mm love it feels very comfortable in hands and i think it is pretty accurate

[niscur29]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

I seriously doubt they can pass an "assault rifle" ban. They might succeed with the high capacity mag ban though.

They could easily pass a ban just like the previous one.....everyone who has one up to that initiation date is grandfathered nothing can be bought new afterwards and the used market for preban weapons goes through the roof. I wouldnt put anything past our government. You could see, new regulations for ownership/mag size/fixed stocks/nothing black/etc etc etc. "Oh that new medicare bill the republicans wanted to pass through well the dems added in this little section on AWB/gun laws that was the catalyst for the across the aisle approval."

Of course you could always see it at the state level first. Certain items banned out right. Black guns, "M-16 style replicas including AR15's, AK47" and on and on and on.

While I am an avid 2nd amendment advocate, our laws are so weak its ridiculous. Take FL for instance pistol without CCW is 3 day wait rifle is immediate. Dealer calls state, gives name/social (I think), states rifle or pistol and immediately yes or no. Paperwork does not list model/serial/color/type etc etc. No record of who owns what all they know is rifle or pistol. Dealer keeps paperwork on file, nothing is mailed to state and congrats you just bought a weapon and can go on a rampage with your legally purchased gun. Hell I and others have sold several firearms via the back of my pickup truck in public with nothing more than a bill of sale, and either a copy of their license or at least writing down the number. State doesnt know who I sold it to blah blah. CCW in florida is also a joke, you can go take a class at a gun show, never actually fire a weapon or have any training on the right way etc, get your paperwork approved and a few weeks later congrats you can start carrying.

Like I said, I love my guns and my rights to own them but current laws flat out blow. Yes we should all be able to legally possess any type of firearm on the planet that is "legal" regardless of magazine size, replica of, color, style etc. As gun safety ultimately lies with the owner and how he/she handles themselves with the weapons and teaches other about them. But there needs to be more control on the actual purchase and registration of the weapons. And I think in the end that's what you will see.

[niscur29]

Originally Posted by bc.

I have been looking to get my first handgun for a few months, now that I have graduated and have a job. I go shooting about 5 times a year, so I am somewhat familiar with guns and shooting, but I probably couldn't field strip one.

Anyway, I am going shooting at a range in a week or so to rent out some pistols before I chose to buy one, I have hated some pistols I have shot so don't want to waste money.

My question is this, does anybody have a good recommendation for a starter pistol they could add to my list of guns to try? I do not look to conceal carry, prefer 9mm and barrel length close to 5" or something touted for its accuracy.

My list so far:
-SW M&P
-Sig P226
-Glock G17?

Thanks for you help

1911 seriously. I have shot them all. Glock, XD, M&P owned sigs, FN's, s&w's etc. Only one I have left is my 1911. Absolutely a tack driver, heavy (all metal no poly), low recoil, awesome trigger, tons of aftermarket etc etc. You can get them in other caliber's besides 45acp. My CCW is probably going to be some form of a compact 1911 in 9mm once I get my shit processed.

[bc.]

Thanks, I will look those up when Buds gets back online, if ever??

[1 88 U]

Originally Posted by niscur29

They could easily pass a ban just like the previous one.....everyone who has one up to that initiation date is grandfathered nothing can be bought new afterwards and the used market for preban weapons goes through the roof. I wouldnt put anything past our government. You could see, new regulations for ownership/mag size/fixed stocks/nothing black/etc etc etc. "Oh that new medicare bill the republicans wanted to pass through well the dems added in this little section on AWB/gun laws that was the catalyst for the across the aisle approval."

Of course you could always see it at the state level first. Certain items banned out right. Black guns, "M-16 style replicas including AR15's, AK47" and on and on and on.

While I am an avid 2nd amendment advocate, our laws are so weak its ridiculous. Take FL for instance pistol without CCW is 3 day wait rifle is immediate. Dealer calls state, gives name/social (I think), states rifle or pistol and immediately yes or no. Paperwork does not list model/serial/color/type etc etc. No record of who owns what all they know is rifle or pistol. Dealer keeps paperwork on file, nothing is mailed to state and congrats you just bought a weapon and can go on a rampage with your legally purchased gun. Hell I and others have sold several firearms via the back of my pickup truck in public with nothing more than a bill of sale, and either a copy of their license or at least writing down the number. State doesnt know who I sold it to blah blah. CCW in florida is also a joke, you can go take a class at a gun show, never actually fire a weapon or have any training on the right way etc, get your paperwork approved and a few weeks later congrats you can start carrying.

Like I said, I love my guns and my rights to own them but current laws flat out blow. Yes we should all be able to legally possess any type of firearm on the planet that is "legal" regardless of magazine size, replica of, color, style etc. As gun safety ultimately lies with the owner and how he/she handles themselves with the weapons and teaches other about them. But there needs to be more control on the actual purchase and registration of the weapons. And I think in the end that's what you will see.

I say the AWB won't pass because it does not have the votes. A ban on High cap mags do.

See High-Capacity Magazines Targeted By Democrats In New Gun Control Push

Even some republicans are on board.

[1 88 U]

I think some Democrats (not all) have wisen up from the 90s and realize that a gun ban on aesthetics is asinine and will focus on functionality and tracking. Hence limiting round capacity, waiting periods and better national registration.

[niscur29]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

I think some Democrats (not all) have wisen up from the 90s and realize that a gun ban on aesthetics is asinine and will focus on functionality and tracking. Hence limiting round capacity, waiting periods and better national registration.

I agree 100% a lock down on registration/tracking for sure and hi-cap mags. You just gotta wonder, with all of these horrible events involving a damn "AR15 .223 caliber assault rifle", could a ban on both the rifle and ammo be forthcoming just based on it makes a point that "hey see we have banned them now"

<---Goes to order as many hi cap mags as I can!

[1 88 U]

Originally Posted by niscur29

I agree 100% a lock down on registration/tracking for sure and hi-cap mags. You just gotta wonder, with all of these horrible events involving a damn "AR15 .223 caliber assault rifle", could a ban on both the rifle and ammo be forthcoming just based on it makes a point that "hey see we have banned them now"

<---Goes to order as many hi cap mags as I can!

I don't really see them being able to ban high velocity rounds like 7.62 and .223 simply because it severely steps on sports shooters and hunters toes. The amount of US homicides with those type of ammo is laughable small too.

[S14DB]

They can't make any legislation till the new session in January.
They do need to agree on a new budget by the end of the month.
This is to convenient for them to avoid the job they should be doing. Hello Fiscal cliff.

Manufactures and distributors have gotten smart since the last ban. They have warehouse's filled with Hi-Cap magazines and the like. Stockpiled for the next one. Fed can only really stop the manufacture. Since these are already on the shelf they are grandfathered.

Far as banning certain ammo. You run into the problem of hunters being required in some states to use at least .30 cal for medium and big game. 7.62x39 fits the bill and that's why you see a lot of AK Hunting Riffles.

[speedgod^s13]

It's irritating when people refer to assault rifles, thinking that it means fully automatic. Anyhow I'm pretty sure that in light of the recent shootings, hi cap mags will be banned.

[DS562]

i dont know how to feel about the media getting specific with manufacturers as if it adds some kind of sinister overtone. I know it doesnt really bring bad publicity to the manufacturer in terms of the educated consumer, but the people who are quick to find somebody to point the finger at are who annoy me. Im sure Sig and Bushmaster already have suits filed against them by some of the victims families. The manufacturer holds absolutely ZERO responsibility in any incident that their arms happen to be involved in but, the public has no concept of this fact and are lightning fast to ridicule us. that shooting was a horrible tragedy and that goes without saying. I only bring this up because back in the early 90's, a disgruntled ex-employee of a San Fransisco law firm went and killed several people using 30 round tec-9 magazines my father's company manufactured. the families of the victims opened suits against us aiming to wipe our business off the face of the earth, they not only wanted money but also that we close down operations. of course they didnt win because we werent responsible for the actions of the consumer and hi-cap mags (and civi SMG's for that matter) being completely legal at the time. The legal system these days is much too turbulent. /gripe

[1 88 U]

Originally Posted by DS562

i dont know how to feel about the media getting specific with manufacturers as if it adds some kind of sinister overtone. I know it doesnt really bring bad publicity to the manufacturer in terms of the educated consumer, but the people who are quick to find somebody to point the finger at are who annoy me. Im sure Sig and Bushmaster already have suits filed against them by some of the victims families. The manufacturer holds absolutely ZERO responsibility in any incident that their arms happen to be involved in but, the public has no concept of this fact and are lightning fast to ridicule us. that shooting was a horrible tragedy and that goes without saying. I only bring this up because back in the early 90's, a disgruntled ex-employee of a San Fransisco law firm went and killed several people using 30 round tec-9 magazines my father's company manufactured. the families of the victims opened suits against us aiming to wipe our business off the face of the earth, they not only wanted money but also that we close down operations. of course they didnt win because we werent responsible for the actions of the consumer and hi-cap mags (and civi SMG's for that matter) being completely legal at the time. The legal system these days is much too turbulent. /gripe

I think its about the Manufacturers successful lobbying of congress to shelve any legislation that may limit their profits despite public safety. They know that waiting periods and federal registry will equal less guns sold. I'm all for more hoops. Enthusiast will be annoyed but will jump through them while disgruntled people may change their minds.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

I think its about the Manufacturers successful lobbying of congress to shelve any legislation that may limit their profits despite public safety. They know that waiting periods and federal registry will equal less guns sold. I'm all for more hoops. Enthusiast will be annoyed but will jump through them while disgruntled people may change their minds.

Stop being an idiot. Waiting periods and registry would have done nothing to pervent any of these mass shootings.

In the CT case, all youd had see is Mom wait a few days...years ago, and Law Enforcement would know she was the onwer....afrer the fact, awesome.

[bc.]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

... Enthusiast will be annoyed but will jump through them while disgruntled people may change their minds.

Change their minds and steal the guns instead, which is a 0 day waiting period.

[BarrigaS14]

Originally Posted by speedgod^s13

It's irritating when people refer to assault rifles, thinking that it means fully automatic. Anyhow I'm pretty sure that in light of the recent shootings, hi cap mags will be banned.

Banning high cap mags will do nothing. Someone who has worked a rifle or handgun can swap a mag out within a second or two. Add a couple more seconds if there is a jam.

[kyles1988]

The Colorado deal actually ended because the dude's Surefire knockoff magazine jammed. Same deal with the Clackmas shooting last weekend. The guy's gun jammed, he spotted the CCW guy aiming at him, he ran off and killed himself.

These guys are such cowards that the instant a good guy shows up and turns the tables even a little, they kill themselves.

[bc.]

Originally Posted by kyles1988

The guy's gun jammed, he spotted the CCW guy aiming at him, he ran off and killed himself.

These guys are such cowards that the instant a good guy shows up and turns the tables even a little, they kill themselves.

Isn't it funny how this isn't in the news AT ALL? I mean, they just bury it so deep nobody can find it unless they are looking for it. Wouldn't want to undo all the progress made with this Sandy shooting...

[1 88 U]

All the more reason that hi cap mags will be banned.

Not much could prevent killing sprees but fortunatly they are rare. Waiting periods may deter some passion crimes which are more common.