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ericcastro · 09-10-2010, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by yeti303

just for the sake of something decent on this page.

yeti303 · 09-11-2010, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by fckillerbee

ahh....so that's how you enter into a turn to get that hatch open...i've seen people do it...just never knew it was a skill. haha jk.

great photo...specs?

i love when my hatch comes open it sick but the on staff fire fighters at willow dont think its that cool lol, specs are alot of suspension work, powered by max supper angle kit and stock sr20 and dangerzone

zorak · 09-11-2010, 10:55 PM

Step 1: Feint.
Step 2: THROW IT HARD.
Step 3: Steer + Gas.

I think thats how to drift.

amirite?

sleeper108 · 09-12-2010, 12:08 AM

While I was still in my single slammer it was extremely basic

2nd gear tracks were always best for me, so get about midway into 3rd, then adjust speed while downshifting, rev up, and clutch kick in second, let off, and catch the wheel where I want, then jump back on the gas hard.

when transitioning, all I did was stay on the gas, and turn in for a little bit more angle, and then let go of the wheel, and allow my car to do the transition for me lol.

JDM AP1 · 09-15-2010, 01:39 AM

I read this whole thread most of it last night and the rest this morning and i made an account hoping that you guys & gals could give me some pointers to improve my technique, i have a stock SR20DE (no turbo) and i was about to throw in an SR20DET but i saw people on here tearing it up w their KA's and it made me feel insecure about my drifting among other things. so i figure ill wait on the swap a little longer untill i could squeeze all of the juice outta my N/A setup which consits of
S14 Kouki
SR20DE
Arita Speed Coilovers
front
ADVAN Neova AD07 @ 29psi
Camber -5
toe 0

Rear
Toyo DRB @ 57psi
Camber- stock
toe- stock

Click Here For Video!!

I was chasing a Sil80 w a lightly modified SR20DET
Constructive feedback welcome!!

jspec240 · 09-15-2010, 06:49 AM

Lol long post to read. The pointers are IN THE THREAD my friend. and Im sure you will have the $ for a nice slider being in Oki. I was in yokota and miss it.

Dont feel insecure keep practicing and save up some doe for a turbo kit/swap

jspec240 · 09-15-2010, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sleeper108

While I was still in my single slammer it was extremely basic

2nd gear tracks were always best for me, so get about midway into 3rd, then adjust speed while downshifting, rev up, and clutch kick in second, let off, and catch the wheel where I want, then jump back on the gas hard.

when transitioning, all I did was stay on the gas, and turn in for a little bit more angle, and then let go of the wheel, and allow my car to do the transition for me lol.

Well spoken...

fckillerbee · 09-15-2010, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JDM AP1

I read this whole thread most of it last night and the rest this morning and i made an account hoping that you guys & gals could give me some pointers to improve my technique, i have a stock SR20DE (no turbo) and i was about to throw in an SR20DET but i saw people on here tearing it up w their KA's and it made me feel insecure about my drifting among other things. so i figure ill wait on the swap a little longer untill i could squeeze all of the juice outta my N/A setup which consits of
S14 Kouki
SR20DE
Arita Speed Coilovers
front
ADVAN Neova AD07 @ 29psi
Camber -5
toe 0

Rear
Toyo DRB @ 57psi
Camber- stock
toe- stock

Click Here For Video!!

I was chasing a Sil80 w a lightly modified SR20DET
Constructive feedback welcome!!

see...we run cheap tires in the rear to get it to slide out...with high tire pressure...and heavy weight transfer. Have someone drive your car out there...i'm sure they will have better advice to what you can do...as the only thing I can say is...

drive harder.

sleeper108 · 09-15-2010, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JDM AP1

I read this whole thread most of it last night and the rest this morning and i made an account hoping that you guys & gals could give me some pointers to improve my technique, i have a stock SR20DE (no turbo) and i was about to throw in an SR20DET but i saw people on here tearing it up w their KA's and it made me feel insecure about my drifting among other things. so i figure ill wait on the swap a little longer untill i could squeeze all of the juice outta my N/A setup which consits of
S14 Kouki
SR20DE
Arita Speed Coilovers
front
ADVAN Neova AD07 @ 29psi
Camber -5
toe 0

Rear
Toyo DRB @ 57psi
Camber- stock
toe- stock

Click Here For Video!!

I was chasing a Sil80 w a lightly modified SR20DET
Constructive feedback welcome!!

Try less negative camber in the front. -1.5 degrees ought to be enough. -5degrees seems like way too much.

other than that you seem like you understand what you're doing. Drive the course harder, cause it looks like you should have been ale to link the whole thing.

ericcastro · 09-15-2010, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JDM AP1

I was chasing a Sil80 w a lightly modified SR20DET
Constructive feedback welcome!!

Course looks small.
A lot of the vids and pics from us entering in KA's are 3rd gear entries, and i was even coming in close to 4th at ASB.

I think you are fine, course looks hard to get big speed in.
You want to drift faster, let out some air pressure and let the tires get more traction.
No real reason a SR needs 60 PSI
Thats what I run on AZINI 115's on 17's with a SOHC.

JDM AP1 · 09-15-2010, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ericcastro

Course looks small.
A lot of the vids and pics from us entering in KA's are 3rd gear entries, and i was even coming in close to 4th at ASB.

I think you are fine, course looks hard to get big speed in.
You want to drift faster, let out some air pressure and let the tires get more traction.
No real reason a SR needs 60 PSI
Thats what I run on AZINI 115's on 17's with a SOHC.

the reason i had 60 psi is because of how grippy the tires were compared to the 595 super steels i was running up front even though toyos were 1/32nd inch from their life, but ill try letting out some pressure and starting out further back to see if i could get some 3rd gear entrys

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Originally Posted by sleeper108

Try less negative camber in the front. -1.5 degrees ought to be enough. -5degrees seems like way too much.

other than that you seem like you understand what you're doing. Drive the course harder, cause it looks like you should have been ale to link the whole thing.

yea ill have to try that i just set it to -5 because it looks cool haha, and thanks ill try to.

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Originally Posted by jspec240

Lol long post to read. The pointers are IN THE THREAD my friend. and Im sure you will have the $ for a nice slider being in Oki. I was in yokota and miss it.

Dont feel insecure keep practicing and save up some doe for a turbo kit/swap

I read the thread i just wanted to see if there was anything that i could do better that wasnt obvious to me, and yeah i never been there but from what i see drifting is way bigger up there

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Originally Posted by fckillerbee

see...we run cheap tires in the rear to get it to slide out...with high tire pressure...and heavy weight transfer. Have someone drive your car out there...i'm sure they will have better advice to what you can do...as the only thing I can say is...

drive harder.

ill try its just that the best initiation speed from what i could tell is in a magical torqeless range in my powerband in third gear thats y i dont really bother speeding up in the beggining and just drift in second.

Thanks guys ill put the advice to use next time i go to the track
and I apologize for the bandwith abuse

ericcastro · 09-15-2010, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JDM AP1

the reason i had 60 psi is because of how grippy the tires were compared to the 595 super steels i was running up front even though toyos were 1/32nd inch from their life,

that makes perfect sense

i have seen so many people just pushing their cars through corners cause they just dont try this simple temperary solution.

fckillerbee · 09-16-2010, 07:14 PM

yes, tires is the number one easy thing to control....you want less grip...more tire pressure....more girp..lower the pressure...its amazing to see how many things people will change before changing tires....

iamtheyi · 09-16-2010, 11:14 PM

woohoo~ welded the diff :P. time to start practicing like the crajees

fckillerbee · 09-17-2010, 06:20 PM

party timeeeeaaahhhhh!

have fun!!!!

otto_3478s · 10-13-2010, 08:22 AM

Full throttle, shift, full throttle, shift, full throttle, no traction, ass end comes out, counter steer, full throttle, smack rev limter, heavy foot brake, down shift to 2nd, counter steer, more full throttle, let up, car rotates, hold correct throttle with barely any modulation, lift, car rotates, full throttle, end course

Run @ ORP in indy

fckillerbee · 10-13-2010, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by otto_3478s

Full throttle, shift, full throttle, shift, full throttle, no traction, ass end comes out, counter steer, full throttle, smack rev limter, heavy foot brake, down shift to 2nd, counter steer, more full throttle, let up, car rotates, hold correct throttle with barely any modulation, lift, car rotates, full throttle, end course

Run @ ORP in indy

do you have a video of this. it's kinda hard to imagine when you don't know the cars setup in correlation to your full throttle driving style.

benarovi · 10-17-2010, 11:40 AM

you guys are retarded. just listen to bow wow he explains how to drift bro

otto_3478s · 10-17-2010, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by fckillerbee

do you have a video of this. it's kinda hard to imagine when you don't know the cars setup in correlation to your full throttle driving style.

I know the cars setup quite well, I was lacking a proper setup to actually have traction. But next year that will change, dumpster tires don't help either...

2:00, 4:30, and 7:30, no good views of the entry tho

YouTube - Midwest Drift Union Round 2

LSjauN · 10-17-2010, 04:17 PM

When I had my 240, all I used do was just OUT, IN, Clutch Kick, GASSSSSSSSSS, and lightly tap the brake to transfer.

But, like previously stated, car setup is key.

I had 36 way ksports, an Entire no name, fully adjustable suspension arm kit, that never failed me once, Shock Tower braces, huge sway bars, Rear window pillar brace, Welded Diff., and the Entire car was Stitch welded, and i ran reallllly slippery shitty tires in the rear.

It wasn't too hard to get sidways

Future_gohan · 10-17-2010, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jspec240

Double clutching
Down shifting
Ebrake
Pitching the car ( swerving to one side then the other)
shifting gears while in a drift
braking technique

I've never downshifted to initiate because my sycros have been gone for years but the transmission still works. I've never had an ebrake (I will be installing a hydro this coming year though), Pitching is something i do often, it add excitement, and I mostly brake to transition, and clutch kick entrys and to get more angle etc

chiboy002 · 10-18-2010, 03:18 PM

can someone point me in the right direction for a ideal alignment for drifting? I know its mostly personal preference, but i was thinking that the tires kind of flexing when you turn, with camber, wouldn't be beneficial?

I'm pretty new to this suspension crap so i had no idea, and the shop worked primarily with Euro roadrace cars so they had no idea either... Right now the rears are -2.8, 0 toe, fronts -1.9 and 0 toe

fckillerbee · 10-18-2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by otto_3478s

I know the cars setup quite well, I was lacking a proper setup to actually have traction. But next year that will change, dumpster tires don't help either...

2:00, 4:30, and 7:30, no good views of the entry tho

YouTube - Midwest Drift Union Round 2

no, what I'm asking is WHAT IS YOUR CARS SETUP that way we know why you said...mash mash mash...and then e brake. (or whatever you said)

so people can understand what kind of car requires what driving style.

fyi...i love and hate your wing at the same time. I think it's the position of the mounting point. i dont know. Love how huge it is! great looking z too.

Z33dori · 10-18-2010, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by chiboy002

can someone point me in the right direction for a ideal alignment for drifting? I know its mostly personal preference, but i was thinking that the tires kind of flexing when you turn, with camber, wouldn't be beneficial?

I'm pretty new to this suspension crap so i had no idea, and the shop worked primarily with Euro roadrace cars so they had no idea either... Right now the rears are -2.8, 0 toe, fronts -1.9 and 0 toe

its all dependent on HP/knuckles/driver

but for a good base:
F
-2.5-3 CAMBER
maybe a smidge of toe out. like 1/16th each side

R
generally u want as lil camer as possible but, most work with what u got
toe all up to driver feel. but i think its toe in helps rotate the car a lil. i could be wrong

fckillerbee · 10-18-2010, 04:39 PM

toe in creates traction in the rear.

otto_3478s · 10-18-2010, 09:02 PM

Ah ok ok my setup there was about 3 degrees neg camber in the rear, so extreme lack of traction. Front was prob about 3.5 neg. Caster no idea. Slight toe out front and rear. I have no actual number because I've never had it on a rack. Running stance coils, tension rods, rucas, traction rods for aftermarket suspension components. The dude with the Z was running like 4 degrees rear camber but also running ma-z1's in a 255 or 245 I believe. I'm in the white driftclutch.com S14.

chiboy002 · 10-18-2010, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Z33dori

its all dependent on HP/knuckles/driver

but for a good base:
F
-2.5-3 CAMBER
maybe a smidge of toe out. like 1/16th each side

R
generally u want as lil camer as possible but, most work with what u got
toe all up to driver feel. but i think its toe in helps rotate the car a lil. i could be wrong

So i should be ok with my set up now? i pretty much have stock KA for the most part, except normal shit like exhaust and intake and crap, stock knuckles, and im relatively new to drifting so driver preference is 0 lol. I'll search more and then go have them fix it again, for free

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Originally Posted by fckillerbee

toe in creates traction in the rear.

good to know

Z33dori · 10-19-2010, 07:42 AM

then i would worry to much about the camber... the negative will help you out for now. Just adj tire pressure to adj your grip level.

thanks Fckillerbee!

otto_3478s · 10-19-2010, 07:51 AM

Toe in usually makes straight-line stable, less steering, toe out just a bit I feel is better for me. I run toe out to give the car a bit more responsive steering and overall turn in stability.

I could also see where toe in would help with traction issues slightly as well though, but I also wonder how much it would effect the cornering ability of the car... I think I need to try toe in on the rear, I bet a bit of toe in on the rear would probably be very beneficial to rear traction??

chiboy002 · 10-19-2010, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Z33dori

then i would worry to much about the camber... the negative will help you out for now. Just adj tire pressure to adj your grip level.

thanks Fckillerbee!

fooooooor sure! thanks guys, much help

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Originally Posted by otto_3478s

Toe in usually makes straight-line stable, less steering, toe out just a bit I feel is better for me. I run toe out to give the car a bit more responsive steering and overall turn in stability.

I could also see where toe in would help with traction issues slightly as well though, but I also wonder how much it would effect the cornering ability of the car... I think I need to try toe in on the rear, I bet a bit of toe in on the rear would probably be very beneficial to rear traction??

yeah the guys told me toe in would be better for braking and traction but toe out was for cornering ability. So they set it at 0* for 50/50 balance since neither of us knew what was optimal

09-15-2010, 06:49 AM	#486
jspec240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: SIN CAL Age: 42 Posts: 2,096 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: jspec240 Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Lol long post to read. The pointers are IN THE THREAD my friend. and Im sure you will have the $ for a nice slider being in Oki. I was in yokota and miss it. Dont feel insecure keep practicing and save up some doe for a turbo kit/swap __________________ DREW SLIDE TO SIDE WORLD WIDE Feedback!! http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=182673 661 sliders Gymkhana @ buttonwillow http://zilvia.net/f/south-western-st...-sessions.html >> Bakersfield Hook up thread <<

09-16-2010, 11:14 PM	#494
iamtheyi Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Brea, CA Age: 32 Posts: 2,252 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	woohoo~ welded the diff :P. time to start practicing like the crajees __________________

10-17-2010, 04:17 PM	#500
LSjauN Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Vagina Beach, Vagina Age: 35 Posts: 46 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	When I had my 240, all I used do was just OUT, IN, Clutch Kick, GASSSSSSSSSS, and lightly tap the brake to transfer. But, like previously stated, car setup is key. I had 36 way ksports, an Entire no name, fully adjustable suspension arm kit, that never failed me once, Shock Tower braces, huge sway bars, Rear window pillar brace, Welded Diff., and the Entire car was Stitch welded, and i ran reallllly slippery shitty tires in the rear. It wasn't too hard to get sidways __________________ IN THE MARKET FOR A CLEAN s13 SHELL, OR A CLEAN DC TEG SHELL!!

10-18-2010, 03:18 PM	#502
chiboy002 Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: ◙ Posts: 4,425 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	can someone point me in the right direction for a ideal alignment for drifting? I know its mostly personal preference, but i was thinking that the tires kind of flexing when you turn, with camber, wouldn't be beneficial? I'm pretty new to this suspension crap so i had no idea, and the shop worked primarily with Euro roadrace cars so they had no idea either... Right now the rears are -2.8, 0 toe, fronts -1.9 and 0 toe __________________ street dancer. GLEAM

10-19-2010, 07:42 AM	#508
Z33dori Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Riverview, FL Age: 35 Posts: 5,557 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	then i would worry to much about the camber... the negative will help you out for now. Just adj tire pressure to adj your grip level. thanks Fckillerbee! __________________

09-11-2010, 10:55 PM	#483
zorak Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: South Age: 34 Posts: 287 Trader Rating: (4) Rides Gallery: zorak Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Step 1: Feint. Step 2: THROW IT HARD. Step 3: Steer + Gas. I think thats how to drift. amirite?

09-12-2010, 12:08 AM	#484
sleeper108 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Albuquerque, NM Age: 34 Posts: 511 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	While I was still in my single slammer it was extremely basic 2nd gear tracks were always best for me, so get about midway into 3rd, then adjust speed while downshifting, rev up, and clutch kick in second, let off, and catch the wheel where I want, then jump back on the gas hard. when transitioning, all I did was stay on the gas, and turn in for a little bit more angle, and then let go of the wheel, and allow my car to do the transition for me lol.

09-15-2010, 01:39 AM	#485
JDM AP1 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Okinawa.JP/509 WA Posts: 2 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I read this whole thread most of it last night and the rest this morning and i made an account hoping that you guys & gals could give me some pointers to improve my technique, i have a stock SR20DE (no turbo) and i was about to throw in an SR20DET but i saw people on here tearing it up w their KA's and it made me feel insecure about my drifting among other things. so i figure ill wait on the swap a little longer untill i could squeeze all of the juice outta my N/A setup which consits of S14 Kouki SR20DE Arita Speed Coilovers front ADVAN Neova AD07 @ 29psi Camber -5 toe 0 Rear Toyo DRB @ 57psi Camber- stock toe- stock Click Here For Video!! I was chasing a Sil80 w a lightly modified SR20DET Constructive feedback welcome!!

09-16-2010, 07:14 PM	#493
fckillerbee Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern California Age: 39 Posts: 4,266 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	yes, tires is the number one easy thing to control....you want less grip...more tire pressure....more girp..lower the pressure...its amazing to see how many things people will change before changing tires....

09-17-2010, 06:20 PM	#495
fckillerbee Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern California Age: 39 Posts: 4,266 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	party timeeeeaaahhhhh! have fun!!!!

10-13-2010, 08:22 AM	#496
otto_3478s Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Auburn Posts: 163 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Full throttle, shift, full throttle, shift, full throttle, no traction, ass end comes out, counter steer, full throttle, smack rev limter, heavy foot brake, down shift to 2nd, counter steer, more full throttle, let up, car rotates, hold correct throttle with barely any modulation, lift, car rotates, full throttle, end course Run @ ORP in indy

10-17-2010, 11:40 AM	#498
benarovi Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: FaiL Age: 31 Posts: 913 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	you guys are retarded. just listen to bow wow he explains how to drift bro

10-18-2010, 04:39 PM	#505
fckillerbee Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern California Age: 39 Posts: 4,266 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	toe in creates traction in the rear.

10-18-2010, 09:02 PM	#506
otto_3478s Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Auburn Posts: 163 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ah ok ok my setup there was about 3 degrees neg camber in the rear, so extreme lack of traction. Front was prob about 3.5 neg. Caster no idea. Slight toe out front and rear. I have no actual number because I've never had it on a rack. Running stance coils, tension rods, rucas, traction rods for aftermarket suspension components. The dude with the Z was running like 4 degrees rear camber but also running ma-z1's in a 255 or 245 I believe. I'm in the white driftclutch.com S14.

10-19-2010, 07:51 AM	#509
otto_3478s Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Auburn Posts: 163 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Toe in usually makes straight-line stable, less steering, toe out just a bit I feel is better for me. I run toe out to give the car a bit more responsive steering and overall turn in stability. I could also see where toe in would help with traction issues slightly as well though, but I also wonder how much it would effect the cornering ability of the car... I think I need to try toe in on the rear, I bet a bit of toe in on the rear would probably be very beneficial to rear traction??