The Future Automotive Thread

[kingkilburn]

It may have started with the discussion of a future car but it's been talk of current and past models for a while now. [[EDIT] -Which current or recent model is a "truer" successor to an older car then further discussing the finer details of said recent models does nothing to further the discussion of future rwd coupes. The video wasn't meant to offend, it was meant to point out that things had gotten off topic. Someone trying to make a stupid jab at me will always and forever illicit a response.]

If me posting a stupid little video causes that much butthurt this place has truly fallen on hard times. I've been told far worse than take it to PMs or start a new thread and didn't make a scene out of it.



Now let's start talking about new and exciting shit rather than waxing nostalgic over 15 year old imports. This forum sees plenty of that.

[kingkilburn]

And I never said anything about liking or disliking BMWs.

[vanish1]

its all relevant so relax

theres dozens of pages in this thread talking about cars from the past and future

I clicked a random page in this thread and saw in the course of the page discussions including the mustang, cts, genesis, skip ahead a few pages and miatas and porsches are getting discussed...so yea this thread is a clusterf|$#

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Now let's start talking about new and exciting shit rather than waxing nostalgic over 15 year old imports. This forum sees plenty of that.

Precisely the reason I brought up the 2 series. They and the previous 1 & 3 may not hold a candle to some of the older/more hardcore cars, but the newer cars are still exciting to me, regardless. But I may just be too easy to please. As long as it's a RWD coupe with a capable turbo engine & competent handling, then I'm happy. Performance pedigree and robust aftermarket support are just icing on the cake for me. I see no reason the 2 and even the 4 series shouldn't be discussed in this thread, but I see what you're getting at.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by GabeS14

did you say the 235i doesnt allow for lsd upgrades?/maybe I read wrong...
i know the 335i and m3 have easy aftermarket upgrades for $1200-$2000

That is indeed what I have rad in a number of reviews . The 135 did not allow for an upgrade either.

Oh and relax king by your own statements you were the one coming off all butthurt.

Oh and in case you are wondering your whole attitude about the BMW talk suggested you did not like them. Seriously man you having a bad day or what?

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

That is indeed what I have rad in a number of reviews . The 135 did not allow for an upgrade either.

I did see that there are differences in the LSD's (bolt-on vs welded) that make one style more difficult to replace, but not impossible. We should all know that, when it comes to cars, where theres a will, theres a way. That welded issue ain't gonna stop somebody that really wants a Quaife in their Bimmer. With that fixed, the only big problem remaining is improving steering feel. If it hasn't been resolved by the aftermarket yet, it will probably just be a matter of time.

I'd rather deal with those issues from the turbo Bimmers than trying to get any USDM offered N/A I6 to 400hp+.

Some more interesting insight on the M235i from Randy Pobst:

He called it a better "driver's car" than the CLA (big whoop/don't care) and the best BMW he's driven in the past 10 years. Not too shabby.

But it's killing me that no one is reviewing the I4 turbo 228i. With a manual trans, that thing's gonna be a hot ticket in the used car market, mark my words.

[kingkilburn]

Jesus fucking christ. Lets all cry because someone doesn't agree with you.

BMWs are undeniably good. What car guy in his right mind would say otherwise? Regardless of its amazingness the E36 M3 has little bearing on FUTURE cars. It is a signpost or standard to measure against when the subject is FUTURE cars. The likelihood of seeing something on par with its power delivery and feel is slim to none right now.

If we want to talk about a new car and how it measures up to a known thing, sure, lets do it and do it here. If we want to talk at great length about the upgrade potential and pros and cons of an existing car it really deserves it's own topic.

The piss poor moderation of this forum in general is no reason to openly throw out any semblance of order or guidelines. The mods have been mostly hands off on this thread for years and it has wondered all over the place with plenty of stupid flaming and off topic randomness.


So are we going to keep talking about a 24 year old car that was long in the tooth when it was replaced, the 14 year old at best car that wasn't well liked by the enthusiasts when it dropped, or are we going to talk about future models and recently new models?

We can have a free for all of a beemer thread in OT if we want. I'm sure there are plenty of zilvians that have dabbled in early 3 and 5 series cars.

[kingkilburn]

If I seem mad it is because I made a JOKE and this asshole wants to get all up in arms about it and you guys want to act like I'm the one with the problem.

Do you think I posted a video of a guy waggling a peg leg with cartoons as serious business?

[exitspeed]

Man, idk why but I have almost 0 interest in actually buying a used BMW. I'd live to have an E30 M3 down the road but I'll probably never really own one.

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Man, idk why but I have almost 0 interest in actually buying a used BMW. I'd live to have an E30 M3 down the road but I'll probably never really own one.

Why is that? I was the same way until I drove a 135i. At the time I had only my experience in an N/A KA S13 with a few suspension mods to compare it against. The Bimmer completely blew me away & reformed my thoughts about how I should modify my car. That car is the one that made BMW relevant to me. It became the yardstick I measured JDM RWD coupes against.

Sometime later, I had a buddy that picked up a E36 323i with Dinan ecu flash. I thought my N/A KA with bolt ons would compare to its power delivery. Nope. No way. They're seriously good/fun cars. The maintenance costs can be an issue, but the badge's pedigree is nice & well deserved.

Not saying we should all rush out to buy one, but driving them does giving you a healthy respect for their brand, which is more than I can say for a lot of car manufacturers. But naturally, I'd care a whole lot less about BMW if we had just gotten the SR20DET in factory form in our USDM S-Chassis (or if we'd gotten the S15!) from the start. To me, there just something about a relatively inexpensive car that doesn't need something major like a damn engine swap before it's all around competitive.

And you know what, I think I gonna see if I can find a manual 228i around here to go test drive sometime this week. Because, by the time the IDX is released it'll have to compete for my attention with a used, manual CPO lease return 228i. From the speculation, they might be making similar power in stock form. Despite the 228i being quite a bit heavier than the idx, the extra refinement may make up the difference.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by simmode1

Why is that? I was the same way until I drove a 135i. At the time I had only my experience in an N/A KA S13 with a few suspension mods to compare it against. The Bimmer completely blew me away & reformed my thoughts about how I should modify my car. That car is the one that made BMW relevant to me. It became the yardstick I measured JDM RWD coupes against.

Sometime later, I had a buddy that picked up a E36 323i with Dinan ecu flash. I thought my N/A KA with bolt ons would compare to its power delivery. Nope. No way. They're seriously good/fun cars. The maintenance costs can be an issue, but the badge's pedigree is nice & well deserved.

Not saying we should all rush out to buy one, but driving them does giving you a healthy respect for their brand, which is more than I can say for a lot of car manufacturers. But naturally, I'd care a whole lot less about BMW if we had just gotten the SR20DET in factory form in our USDM S-Chassis (or if we'd gotten the S15!) from the start. To me, there just something about a relatively inexpensive car that doesn't need something major like a damn engine swap before it's all around competitive.

And you know what, I think I gonna see if I can find a manual 228i around here to go test drive sometime this week. Because, by the time the IDX is released it'll have to compete for my attention with a used, manual CPO lease return 228i. From the speculation, they might be making similar power in stock form. Despite the 228i being quite a bit heavier than the idx, the extra refinement may make up the difference.

A buddy of mine had a 135 and it was just a pile of crap. He had it for like a year and a half and I swear every other month he was driving around in a loaner car. He eventually got rid of it and just picked a 370 two weeks ago. He said he feels like the 135 was faster in a straight line but the Z handles SOOO much better and he said the ride, believe or not, was more comfortable. Again, just second hand experience (I drove in the Z yesterday. Going to do an AutoX event as a co-driver with him next month).

The good news for me waiting for the IDx is I have so many other far more important things going on in my life other than cars that it's easy for me to keep my mind off of wanting a fun car right now.

But I'll be ready when that fucking IDx comes out.

[simmode1]

^^^Fair enough. I only got a chance to test out the 135i in highway conditions, so I fell in love with it there. But hard cornering on entrance ramp loops didn't feel as confidence inspiring as my mildly modded S13 did, so I can definitely see where you, racepar, vanish & drift_freak are coming from. But that can be improved.

As for the car being in the shop a lot, I did see tons of that for the early turbo models, since I do contract work for BMW. Most of those early cars on the road today should be have been warrantied out by now and the '10+ cars should be good to go from what I've seen. I'd compare their HPFP/turbo problems to roughly about the same impact as the early Z's oil consumption and bad synchro issues in terms of annoyance. I didn't consider them deal breakers.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

A buddy of mine had a 135 and it was just a pile of crap. He had it for like a year and a half and I swear every other month he was driving around in a loaner car. He eventually got rid of it and just picked a 370 two weeks ago. He said he feels like the 135 was faster in a straight line but the Z handles SOOO much better and he said the ride, believe or not, was more comfortable. Again, just second hand experience (I drove in the Z yesterday. Going to do an AutoX event as a co-driver with him next month).

The good news for me waiting for the IDx is I have so many other far more important things going on in my life other than cars that it's easy for me to keep my mind off of wanting a fun car right now.

But I'll be ready when that fucking IDx comes out.

I won't deny I feel my e36 M3 is something special . I do like the car and prior to getting it I pretty much usually scoffed at BMW's in general. I think it goes back to my days in Datsun 510's and I did feel and still think they are superior to 2002's. In the handling department.
With that said like Sim spoke of and my personal experience with my M3,I have learned to respect BMW's.

With all that said I think 370Z's gets short changed around here and by the car buying public as well. It seems like more and more stuff is coming out about how they really are fun, nice handling cars. I probably should go test drive one to see.

I have somewhat lost interest in buying a 350 though.
I really am waiting to see what the next Z will be like and I am excited about an IDX and would not hesitate to buy one.

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

With all that said I think 370Z's get short changed around here and by the car buying public as well. It seems like more and more stuff is coming out about how they really are fun, nice handling cars. I probably should go test drive one to see.

I have somewhat lost interest in buying a 350 though.
I really am waiting to see what the next Z will be like and I am excited about an IDX and would not hesitate to buy one.

I feel so conflicted about the Z33 & Z34. I love the capabilities of the Z34, but I much prefer the Z33's looks. But if I had to choose a Z, I'd probably go with the funny looking Z32 because I'm an uncouth boost fiend... lol

With that said, I am very anxious to see what Nissan comes up with for the Z35. I'd love to see the 300zx moniker come back with a sized down 3.0L version of the GTR motor making 400hp(ish). They're saying the next Z will be lighter, but geeeez... What are we talking here? Base Corvette power to weight ratio, maybe? That would be exciting. Hell, the possibility of a VR30DETT paired to a manual trans would make me lose my shit... lol

[vanish1]

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/05/06/h...n-2015-report/

drivetrain hasnt been revealed, hopefully RWD

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by vanish1

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/05/06/h...n-2015-report/

drivetrain hasnt been revealed, hopefully RWD

Not feeling it convertible wise.

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by vanish1

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/05/06/h...n-2015-report/

drivetrain hasnt been revealed, hopefully RWD

Yeah, hopefully. But it could also turn out to be the successor to the Del Slo...

[K_style]

Originally Posted by simmode1

Yeah, hopefully. But it could also turn out to be the successor to the Del Slo...

Seems more successor of the Beat.... but... we will see.

[DreamN]

I like it. Wouldn't buy it, but definitely would smile each time I'd see one on the road.

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by DreamN

I like it. Wouldn't buy it, but definitely would smile each time I'd see one on the road.

I might consider it... I mean, didn't they initially speculate that it was a mid-engine turbo 3 cylinder? If its cheap enough, it might be a fun toy car or motorcycle alternative.
Oh wait... didn't they also say this kei car is not likely to be sold in America anyways?

[Future240]

http://m.motortrend.com/wot/1405_mor...urce=pulsenews

This sounds like a bad April fools joke.

[VNG704]

I thought scion was aimed at the younger crowd. Those prices though.

[Matej]

Originally Posted by VNG704

I thought scion was aimed at the younger crowd. Those prices though.

That is the main thing I dislike about the FR-S. Scion invokes images of teenagers and quirky moms trying to be hip. Nothing that can be taken seriously. I wish it was branded as a Toyota.

[DreamN]

^ Pshh... just change the badges. Done.

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by Future240

http://m.motortrend.com/wot/1405_mor...urce=pulsenews

This sounds like a bad April fools joke.

take it with a huge grain of salt until toyota actually announces it. these rumors have been floating around since the car was introduced. the only thing that is truth in all of that is toyota WILL be upping the horsepower in the next itteration of the car. i highly doubt its going to be in the 300 range, more like in the 220-240 area with some much needed torque as well. toyota needs the bump in power to stay competitive with the new IDX bowing soon.

[1 88 U]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

take it with a huge grain of salt until toyota actually announces it. these rumors have been floating around since the car was introduced. the only thing that is truth in all of that is toyota WILL be upping the horsepower in the next itteration of the car. i highly doubt its going to be in the 300 range, more like in the 220-240 area with some much needed torque as well. toyota needs the bump in power to stay competitive with the new IDX bowing soon.

The IDX is vapor. As much as I wish the twins would just go FA20DIT it's not going to happen until they no longer own the market.

As far as price, how much does a drop top usually add to msrp? I assume the FR-S vert would be about on par with the One series feature wise which is $28k + however much a drop top adds.

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

The IDX is vapor.

no, actually its not. know how i know this? because i know someone whos directly involved with the production of the car itself. not going to say who (weve been over this), but you sir are 100% WRONG! oh and weve also had multiple members on Zilvia who have spoken directly with Nissan execs that confirmed the cars production... so you just go ahead and keep thinking that the IDX is nothing more than "vapor"...

kthxbai

[simmode1]

Just a random thought I had today: I wish a refined turbo MR2 got resurrected under the Lexus brand. That would be cool. 86 for Scion, FT1 for Toyota, NSX rivaling MR2 for Lexus. Oh well. It'll never happen.

Any cool news about that Lexus RC-F? Seems like they're still playing catch-up to the e93 M3... It's nice to look at though. Thoughts on RCF vs M4?

[vanish1]

Lexus doesnt make a manual so......conversation sorta ends there.

[simmode1]

^^^Right?!? lol

Just finished reading an article about the technical differences between the M3/4's new 3.0t versus the engine used in the 335/135 or even the 235. That s55 b30 engine is completely different than their (now) standard 3.0t. This now makes 425hp but it looks like they did a lot more than just slap on bigger turbos. How much you guys wanna bet BMW underrates this engine yet again? I bet it will keep up with the RCF's 480hp 5.0 v8 just fine.

Oh, and apparently the M4 weighs in right at about 3350lbs. Shit, thats even lighter than the 3500lbs M235i! If they drop an M4 CSL, that will be very nice.