Join the pettition to correct KBB.com on 240sx values

[Brentbohn]

well think my kouki should be worth about 7k its still a ka non turbo but has 3k worth of upgrades on it... kbb thinks its 4500 which is insulting... and low ballers will offer exactly that 4500

[Audios]

Originally Posted by Brentbohn

well think my kouki should be worth about 7k its still a ka non turbo but has 3k worth of upgrades on it... kbb thinks its 4500 which is insulting... and low ballers will offer exactly that 4500

Put it stock, sell it for 4500 and sell the parts separately. You can't factor aftermarket parts with kbb so why complain about it. You said "I think its worth 7K" its your car and to you it might be worth X amount but at the end of the day it is what it is.

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by badbob2121

My s13 KBB's at $1480

any takers? lol

$1480 for your SR S13? Yes. Gimme. I'll come get it....haha

Originally Posted by Brentbohn

well think my kouki should be worth about 7k its still a ka non turbo but has 3k worth of upgrades on it... kbb thinks its 4500 which is insulting... and low ballers will offer exactly that 4500

I swear to god, Kouki guys are annoying thinking their cars are so damned valuable. The chassis is ancient and it makes like 120hp to the wheels stock. $7000 could buy a WRX, IS300, E46 330I or almost a 350Z. Get over yourself. Yeah, it's got potential... but so does a fucking Miata.

I think the values are right on target as they are not considering BS like drift tax or aftermarket tuner value. The whole reason 240's got so popular in the first place was because they were cheap as shit. Buyers should be glad the hype is dying down and returning to normal. Ppl are getting smarter now. They know $7000 could buy them a much better car.

[lazysk8er2]

hahaha your best bet would be to begin a new factor of measure and call it the Modified Car Blue Book or MCBB

[driftsucky]

So, where we being serious? I mean, the thought that any intelligible person would use KBB for anything is laughable. And the fact that everyone thinks that 240's are some magical gold pot is also laughable...but totally understandable since 240's are awesome.

[chiboy002]

stop crying over insurance
theyre only there to take your money, and if you really cared about insurance then you would include all the parts you invested into it, which would then raise the value of your rates, which would then lead to you bitching about high insurance because the car's value is greater

[BOROSUN]

Jay Leno Predicts Future Collectible and Classic Cars - Popular Mechanics

pot of gold maybe. ionno about magic.

[TeamFRAT]

Originally Posted by Brentbohn

well think my kouki should be worth about 7k its still a ka non turbo but has 3k worth of upgrades on it... kbb thinks its 4500 which is insulting... and low ballers will offer exactly that 4500

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA






hold up




AHHAHAHAHAHAH

Think all you want man. Thats the greatest part about america

[GhostlyCoupe]

If we want to make a good case for this, we first need to burn all the piles of **** with mismatched body panels, stripped interiors, and 4 different wheels.

(No, I'm not talking about race cars, I'm talking about cars that are just plain bad and have never seen a track day)

[fliprayzin240sx]

KBB isnt the problem...the issue is people thinking they throw in Ebay parts in their car and automatically think their $3k POS is worth $6k if that.

If you cant afford the sellers asking price then dont buy it. If nobody buys it, the seller will drop their price. Insurance wise, who the fuck gets full coverage on 15-20 yr old car? Save your damn premium money and use the money to get another chassis or attempt to fix it if you wreck. Dont depend on insurance to cover your ass...we all know insurance is fucking rip off.

If I wrecked my S14, I'd be pissed but its just a damn car. Its not the fucking cure for AIDS!!! I'll look for another S14 within my price range and throw in the parts Ill get off my old chassis.

[davinci]

hahah kbb prices stuff for an avg STOCK car.. the average person buying a car does not care about drift tax or aftermarket tax. Your car is not a collector item. I bought my s13 coupe in great shape for 600. its a 20 year old car aka the civic of the nissan world.. its not an impalla or 69 camaro..

IF you wanna sell your car then put it back to stock and part out the aftermarket. ANYTIME you put aftermarket parts on your car you are risking losing money when you sell it. every car depreciates unless its a classic or you find that one person who wants to pay what you think its worth...

[HyperTek]

wait till they see drift missiles and the majority on craigslists that are all busted up from failed interests in drifting lol.

There is a market for a modified car and whatever value you want for it, it comes down to how much the person will pay for it . Make up your own price, if you don't want to sell it for cheap, than don't sell it.. someone else will think its worth what your asking and give it to you eventually. hell my rx7 , prior owners where wanting $9k for it in 07 . I traded a car of similar value for it.

Remember to keep it tastefully modded, no janky shit..

[s-cargo]

Personally dont mind the fact there getting cheaper, because i buy them cheap(its also nice to only pay 10-20$ for exise tax lol).
People need to realize that there is a price cap on anything they "invest" in. if you buy a clean stock 240 for 2 grand and dump 10 into it on aero and paint wheels etc, its not worth 12 grand.
BUT if you take that same 2,000$ car and put say 3-4,000 worth of meaningfull mods (brakes, suspension,engine performance, maintinence etc) you can get a few years of fun out of it and sell it for close to what you have invested. just dont over do it and you wont be dissapointed.

[Bunnywith240]

This thread is unnecessary.

[Highway Riding]

Dealers use Galves!

[Brentbohn]

Originally Posted by GhostlyCoupe

If we want to make a good case for this, we first need to burn all the piles of **** with mismatched body panels, stripped interiors, and 4 different wheels.

(No, I'm not talking about race cars, I'm talking about cars that are just plain bad and have never seen a track day)

Exactly... lets crush all like this.... oh wait there goes the s13's

[OBEEWON]

Haha...

It's funny cuz its true.

[HyperTek]

i think alot of people still appreciate these cars even before the drift craze blew up and people see them as throw away cars/drift missiles

[SimpleS14]

I believe with the cheap prices we see for the G35 and 350Z, it's very laughable to see a 240SX going for +$7K.

Originally Posted by Brentbohn

my 98 kouki is one of 1281 total produced.... that is rare

True, but not a collector's item. You won't see someone overseas placing a bid for one 15 years from now. Just sayin..

[epson1]

Originally Posted by enkei2k

so where's this almighty 'petition' you speak of?

also, how much do you expect 14+ year old cars to cost? The S-chassis is no high end car like mentioned earlier.

KBB for a 98 Supra TT in 'excellent' condition from a private seller is less than $20K. Find me one that's in excellent condition selling for that price.

KBB doesn't give a shit about supply and demand and other variable factors like drift tax.

The older the car, the lower the KBB value. I think it's what they call...depreciation?

You're fucking stupid. 98 supra booking for less than 20? they book for 39,000 in good condition with 55,000 miles. that sounds about right. go KBB it right now and come back and complain. Waaaa my 1990 nissan hatchback books for 1500$. yeah that sounds about right. KBB isn't going to take into account for mad tyte JDM Aero or -52 offset wheels you moron.

[DustinSixOh9]

Wait you mean to tell me my 20 year old economy car isn't worth $10,000?! Bummer.

[Chronicle]

Originally Posted by DustinSixOh9

Wait you mean to tell me my 20 year old economy car isn't worth $10,000?! Bummer.

Exactly. The biggest problem with someone looking to enter the S-chassis world is how SO many people put unnecessary "drift taxes" on cars. The first 240 I looked at was an S13. It was a 91 coupe 5 speed with 120k miles. It suffered shit tons of dents and paint scratches. The clutch, brakes and starter didn't work, and they wanted $1500 for it. The second car I looked at (and bought) was a 96 Zenki 5 speed. 261k, (original engine and trans) Clean interior, the only problems were all four tires were bald, the rear shocks were completely blown, and the paint was fading. $1450 and I drove it home 120 miles away.

Moral of the story? Going sideways doesn't cost much to do, and cars capable of doing so don't deserve a premium.

[driftsilvias13]

OP you are a fucking idiot. This thread is pointless. You just want the kbb to be high so when you sell your car you can much more than it is really worth. KBB doesnt set the price so stop crying.

[chriskilla2]

no need to call anyone names geez. i looked up some old for sale thread. apparently to some ppl have been buying kouki's for 4 grand since 2002

[KwKouki]

im all for KBB nerfing the value.

- keeps stupid peopole who know nothing about them away from a ever dwindling chassis
- if you wreck at event or track you fucked yourself. theres a reason why both the track and insurance make people sign waivers for this.

[usdm180sx]

You're complaining about the price of a 14-23 year old car? Prices are bound to bottom out at that age.

[slowvia]

Originally Posted by kalypso123

I don't plan on getting into accidents, I drive like a sane human being.

No one plans on getting in an accident. I drive like a sane human being, but that didnt help last month when I got rear ended at a dead stop.

[atom]

Someone buy up all the old Z33's before the drift tax hits them any harder than it already has. Easy money!!!!

[ashtonroche]

Originally Posted by Brentbohn

Well this did happen to the 3000gt/stealth communities in the past 4 years they saw more than a 50% value drop from what I have heard.... Things do decline in value but it would seem that our pride has taken an unjust hit in the past few years... kouki's for 3k and s13's for less than 1k seems really terrible unless your the one purchasing it... lets try

The price of a 3000gt/stealth should be low on those pieces of shit. The fact that most owners dont take care of them and do the maintenance is asking for disaster. I dont know how many times at the drag strip did i see 3000gt vr4's and stealths snap their timing belts and throw pieces of the bottom end out the block. I know several people that bought them and didnt last a couple months before either breaking the timing belt or something else happening that basicly rendered the car useless. Biggest pieces of junk cars out there hands down. Id rather own a geo metro.

Originally Posted by koenig

Yeah, the price of bone stock s13's is out of control. I got mine earlier this year with lots of upgrades for $2200, but I was looking for a long time before I found it. These fools who are putting up their stock s13's with quarter panel damage and rust for 3500 are not realizing that the cost gets driven up by upgrades. coils, 5 lug, lsd's, motor swaps, cages, etc.

'tis ridiculous.

Exactly, I dont know how they get off thinking their 240's are worth soo much just because of popularity. So what if its one of the most popular drift cars out there. Who cares. Doesnt make your car worth any more.

The price of KBB should stay where its at. Plain and simple. A car is worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

Like even people on here trying to sell stock SR swapped s13's with just the bar essentials to have it run right and be safe for 5&6k. Definitely not worth it being you can find a clean s13 chassis for 1k, a complete s13 SR swap can be had for 1500-2000 easy, throw in about 500 bucks for essentials like fmic, bov, and walbro fuel pump and a boost gauge and your all set. So now all of a sudden a car they have 3500 into is now worth 5 or 6k. I dont think so. Youll never get back what you put into a car when it comes to modifying. Plain and simple. Very very rarely.

This petition is stupid. A stock clean S13 with 100-200k miles should be no more than 2000-2500 bucks at most. A junky one needing paint, body work, or rusted 1500 or less which im sure is what kbb accuratly describes the value as.

Your car because its some drift machine doesnt mean its worth any more if someone t-bones you and totals it out. Buy the car back, take what they give you for value, buy another chassis and start over or sell off the parts.

I have coming up around 20k into my B13 se-r but i can tell you if someone wrecked into me and totaled it I would not expect insurance to pay me 20k dollars. lol.

This whole thing is a waste of time.

[SupaDoopa]

The fact some of you are getting butthurt makes this thread pretty funny. The twist in it all is the kid thought he scored by buying the car for double it's value and now trying to turn it around and realized he got fucked.

Sorry, bro. Depreciation is a percentage per year. After 15 years, the car is worth nearly nothing unless it's a collectors item. The fact you own one shows the fact that it most likely is not.