What Is A Easy Way To Gain Torque In A Ka24E Sohc Engine??? - Page 2 - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

*ManoNegra* · 12-15-2009, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyJdm

but my question is does a 350z clutch & rb20 flywhell really help with that much torque???

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Originally Posted by Katsumbhong

Don't know about the 350/rb combo, but you can always run a white bunny set up
Everday Tuning: The White Bunny Special

Swapping out clutches don't up torque, but allow you to run higher torque numbers w/o torque slip

White bunny clutch swap gives you more tractable area on the clutch surface.

a white bunny setup (aswell as the 350z set up) gives you a larger clamping
area on the clutch.
This allows you to hold more torque when doing a KA-T, for example, while retaining OEM feel and travel.

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Originally Posted by LadyJdm

i have megan coilover 32 adjustables, im thinking bout a new setup tho, cause i bought the car with the megans and i want a much more smoother ride but can also be agressive also, and for me, i want to learn how to drift, not for competion but to just drift, ive touge in the canyons, and chase down bmws,s2ks,240s,and the ocasional subarus/lancers but for me, i feel like i need more power, and i like doing things different than others also, and a built ka24e will be a great start!

If you're looking to drift I would recommend to just do basic maintenance on your SOHC for now
since after a little while you're most likely going to want more power
and will probably swap your motor out.

and an aside, something I've heard:
the reason SOHC NA power was so well developed was because of restrictions imposed to 4 valve motors back then
from talking to people with experience, the DOHC when developed is actually more capable
but that takes $$$$$

LadyJdm · 12-14-2009, 07:43 PM

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^^ yea if u find any and there are extras, hook it up then!!! hehe.

yea, my hands are big and there is just too many effin wires, cramped up parts...... everytime i work on the car i get some great yoga exercises. LOL!

good luck with ur single slammer....hehe

and thanx for the support ^__^

g6civcx · 12-15-2009, 08:37 AM

A tuneup is the best thing you can do for a 20 year old motor short of a rebuild.

If you still insist on the single cam: Nissan KA24E SCCA GT3 Race Engine Spec Sheet

Performance doesn't come cheaply.

shiftdrift · 12-15-2009, 09:30 AM

obx 4-2-1 header (better than hotshot), 3" test pipe and 3" exhaust, a real cold air intake, not just a filter. extra 25whp/idk how much torque right there. but as mentioned, a lot of people overlook suspension, it is crucial, as well as a differential.

ericcastro · 12-15-2009, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by shiftdrift

obx 4-2-1 header (better than hotshot), 3" test pipe and 3" exhaust, a real cold air intake, not just a filter. extra 25whp...............

So basic exhaust and intake will put you just under a S13 SR HP ?
no way.

And imo, you will keep more lower end power and torque by NOT going with a 3" exhaust. you want the back pressure with a KA.

Katsumbhong · 12-15-2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by shiftdrift

obx 4-2-1 header (better than hotshot), 3" test pipe and 3" exhaust, a real cold air intake, not just a filter. extra 25whp/idk....

I think your butt dyno is broken.

Maybe... and that's a big MAYBE, 25hp at the crank

KA's are horrible at power gains when it comes to bolt-on NA performance. KA's shine when it comes to forced induction though:
Everday Tuning: KA24DE... the Red Headed Stepchild

redline racer510 · 12-15-2009, 09:59 AM

Even with full bolt ons you wont feel much of an improvement in torque. The only sure fire way of getting more torque is getting everything (headers,exhaust,intake,cams)tuned using something along the lines of an aem ems, but even then this is not a cost effective or efficient way of getting power.Save-up and go turbo IMHO, thats what I am planning on doing and trust me you will be more than satisfied with a KA-T.

shiftdrift · 12-15-2009, 10:09 AM

this isn't a dohc. it is a sohc for one, for two a 3" exhaust is PROVEN TO MAKE MORE POWER EVEN ON NA SETUPS. maybe you should do some research.

Katsumbhong · 12-15-2009, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by shiftdrift

this isn't a dohc. it is a sohc for one, for two a 3" exhaust is PROVEN TO MAKE MORE POWER EVEN ON NA SETUPS. maybe you should do some research.

I know it's a SOHC numbnuts, information I posted is relative to both the single cam and dual cam KA. The only big difference is that one has a re-designed head that incorportates a dual cam set up. Any exhaust that flows more than an anemic stock exhaust will net power, but the KA sucks at making power with bolt on's compared to other engines. You should crawl back into your mother's womb for a few months, hopefully your brain can fully develop there.

shiftdrift · 12-15-2009, 10:25 AM

but we are talking about the ka, not other engines. i'm just saying, i/e will give you 25 extra ponies. my friend actually dynoed his sohc after doing what i mentioned and had 25whp more. don't ask forthe sheet,because this was 5 years ago....don't get all butthurt. it's just my opinion after all.

ericcastro · 12-15-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by shiftdrift

but we are talking about the ka, not other engines. i'm just saying, i/e will give you 25 extra ponies. my friend actually dynoed his sohc after doing what i mentioned and had 25whp more. don't ask forthe sheet,because this was 5 years ago....don't get all butthurt. it's just my opinion after all.

it is your opinion.
I have been running a SOHC for a few years now and owned my first S13 when you were about 6.

you will gain about 3 HP on the VERY top end running that 3" exhaust.
But you will loose that much on the bottom, where the torque is, where your canyon RPM's are, where your drift RPM's are.
You can feel a HUGE difference on the bottom end when you go back from shitty 3" exhaust with a N1 muffler, to stock.

I LUV MY S13 · 12-15-2009, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ericcastro

it is your opinion.
I have been running a SOHC for a few years now and owned my first S13 when you were about 6.

you will gain about 3 HP on the VERY top end running that 3" exhaust.
But you will loose that much on the bottom, where the torque is, where your canyon RPM's are, where your drift RPM's are.
You can feel a HUGE difference on the bottom end when you go back from shitty 3" exhaust with a N1 muffler, to stock.

i can vouch for this...ran 3 inch piping with a 4 inch tip,k went back to stock for about a week and it felt better! i honestly thought i was tripping or something, but going back to stock made little to no difference..i have a fidanza aluminum flywheel, injen intake, exedy clutch, short shifter, no ac/pulley, wlabro fuel pump...my sohc whooped on my friends s14 dohc with 87k on it..im at 204k miles and still running strong

*hOngsterr* · 12-15-2009, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by shiftdrift

but we are talking about the ka, not other engines. i'm just saying, i/e will give you 25 extra ponies. my friend actually dynoed his sohc after doing what i mentioned and had 25whp more. don't ask forthe sheet,because this was 5 years ago....don't get all butthurt. it's just my opinion after all.

lol 5 years ago was when you were 14,

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Originally Posted by ericcastro

To the OP, if you REALLY want to build a KA engine, talk to Mario (let5lide), he has a built KA and several in the garage.
And with all his building, cams,headers, exhaust,intake and a tune, he still hasn't gained 25HP.

i talked to mario about building my DE, i think he must of felt that
i was just a kid talking outta my ass about him
building me a KA-T
=/

shiftdrift · 12-15-2009, 10:11 AM

but yes, just go turbo.

shiftdrift · 12-15-2009, 10:32 AM

......i slide at 6-6500 in my sohc, my 3" exhaust does just fine

Walperstyle · 12-16-2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by shiftdrift

......i slide at 6-6500 in my sohc, my 3" exhaust does just fine

This is possibly the funniest thing I have heard in a long time

Jacob'S13 · 12-16-2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Walperstyle

This is possibly the funniest thing I have heard in a long time

his a gangsta leave him alone lol.

Rag · 12-16-2009, 04:13 PM

I stay at 5-7k most of the time and i have a 3" exhaust, your null point is?

ericcastro · 12-15-2009, 10:36 AM

in second gear right?
but if your clutch kicking, your RPM's are much lower to make wheel spin.
I have been drifting my SOHC before you got your license

shiftdrift · 12-15-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ericcastro

in second gear right?
but if your clutch kicking, your RPM's are much lower to make wheel spin.
I have been drifting my SOHC before you got your license

yeah, 2nd gear, 3rd gear ka's just fall on their face and say fuck me. i clutch kick a bit, feint a bit. never e-brake. alright, your point?

ericcastro · 12-15-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by shiftdrift

........ alright, your point?

Your just talking.
Everything I say, you try and shoot down.
So I'm just letting you know you don't know it all.

To the OP, if you REALLY want to build a KA engine, talk to Mario (let5lide), he has a built KA and several in the garage.
And with all his building, cams,headers, exhaust,intake and a tune, he still hasn't gained 25HP.

*DALAZ_68* · 12-15-2009, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ericcastro

To the OP, if you REALLY want to build a KA engine, talk to Mario (let5lide), he has a built KA and several in the garage.
And with all his building, cams,headers, exhaust,intake and a tune, he still hasn't gained 25HP.

still though, he does great work and has a pretty car

shiftdrift · 12-15-2009, 10:48 AM

nah, just discussing man, i'm not trying to shoot anyone down. you seem like a cool guy because for one, your still rocking the sohc. i know i don't know it all, i don't claim to, i stated that is my opinion/my friend did it. i have a LOT to learn and try to do that daily. i do all my own car work so i can teach myself shit. reading stuff only gets you so far afterall.

ericcastro · 12-15-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by shiftdrift

nah, just discussing man, i'm not trying to shoot anyone down. you seem like a cool guy because for one, your still rocking the sohc. i know i don't know it all, i don't claim to, i stated that is my opinion/my friend did it. i have a LOT to learn and try to do that daily. i do all my own car work so i can teach myself shit. reading stuff only gets you so far afterall.

Thats a great attitude, and its great your drifting a KA. at least for now. its a easier engine to learn grip and drift on because it doesnt have the turbo issues and takes more work.
But you will be better in the end because of it.

Your homies numbers are off though, trust us.
25 hp in a KA that easy?
that would put it at about 165hpish.
S13 SR's are 180 hp.

If it was that easy, everyone would do it.

To the OP,
there are small things you can do but the engine will no longer be smog legal.
I have an electric fan from a Ford Taurus.
I have no EGR crap at all.
Got rid of the water lines that heat the intake.
got rid of AC.
It all makes a feelable difference.

sickstatus · 12-15-2009, 11:44 AM

I was straight pipe with a 3inch tanabe exhaust/downpipr for a lil bit. Sold exhuast n put stock exhuast with the downpipe. It honestly felt fast n pulled harder. My friends drove it n noticed a difference also.

Hi Lilly!! Ur funny. Lolol. See u tomorow.

s13 @ fullboost · 12-15-2009, 12:40 PM

Come over let me adjust your timing for you. I will advance it a few degrees it will run cooler, more power, and better MPG. and if you find a header for it I will slap it on for you. I would look at some pacemakers. Just lmk you have my number see you tomorrow night at the meet.

shiftdrift · 12-15-2009, 12:51 PM

yeah, i'm sliding the ka till summertime or when it blows up and then doing a ca swap. just going small build, sr t25 @ 12lbs, front mount, manifold, downpipe, you know, small stuff. not enough to worry about tuning that much so i'll just use a safc and fpr should net me somewhere between 220-240whp and around the same tq. plenty to slide on. i had an na sr20de s13 and it was gimp. real gimp.

sickstatus · 12-15-2009, 02:56 PM

we can do that for her for free hasan. stop trying to hustle my cousin lolol

s13 @ fullboost · 12-16-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sickstatus

we can do that for her for free hasan. stop trying to hustle my cousin lolol

haha to late she is coming over on friday she rather pay and have it done right =P

LadyJdm · 12-15-2009, 03:46 PM

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we can do that for her for free hasan. stop trying to hustle my cousin lolol

haha thats funny! =) but sorry guys i cant come on wesenday! working till 11pm!! T_T

and wow thats alot of good ideas from everyone,but yes my question is
"HOW TO GAIN TORQUE IN A SOHC"

i would think twice about a dohc but i want to learn 1 step at a time, and money isnt my issue, because its a passion<3
but i will turbo my car, that is the easiest ideal way to gain that boost easy, but i do want to see if i can make a sohc engine a monster! but of course i want to see if i can gain as much power as i can on all motor, and if it doesnt cut out then ill turbo!<3

and yes! i do need to go to the tracks, ive been praticing, but i need to go on the track and learn more from other experienced drives now and find the right setup&style for drifting.

12-15-2009, 11:44 AM	#25
sickstatus Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: SoCal Age: 33 Posts: 1,539 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	I was straight pipe with a 3inch tanabe exhaust/downpipr for a lil bit. Sold exhuast n put stock exhuast with the downpipe. It honestly felt fast n pulled harder. My friends drove it n noticed a difference also. Hi Lilly!! Ur funny. Lolol. See u tomorow. __________________ straights are for fast cars, corners are for fast drivers.

12-15-2009, 12:40 PM	#26
s13 @ fullboost Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: St.Petersburg,FL Posts: 2,549 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	Come over let me adjust your timing for you. I will advance it a few degrees it will run cooler, more power, and better MPG. and if you find a header for it I will slap it on for you. I would look at some pacemakers. Just lmk you have my number see you tomorrow night at the meet. __________________

12-15-2009, 02:56 PM	#28
sickstatus Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: SoCal Age: 33 Posts: 1,539 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	we can do that for her for free hasan. stop trying to hustle my cousin lolol __________________ straights are for fast cars, corners are for fast drivers.

12-15-2009, 08:37 AM	#3
g6civcx Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 5,764 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	A tuneup is the best thing you can do for a 20 year old motor short of a rebuild. If you still insist on the single cam: Nissan KA24E SCCA GT3 Race Engine Spec Sheet Performance doesn't come cheaply.

12-15-2009, 09:30 AM	#4
shiftdrift Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: indiana Age: 33 Posts: 2,242 Trader Rating: (42) Feedback Score: 42 reviews	obx 4-2-1 header (better than hotshot), 3" test pipe and 3" exhaust, a real cold air intake, not just a filter. extra 25whp/idk how much torque right there. but as mentioned, a lot of people overlook suspension, it is crucial, as well as a differential.

12-15-2009, 09:59 AM	#7
redline racer510 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: EARFF(earth for you idiots) Posts: 1,072 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Even with full bolt ons you wont feel much of an improvement in torque. The only sure fire way of getting more torque is getting everything (headers,exhaust,intake,cams)tuned using something along the lines of an aem ems, but even then this is not a cost effective or efficient way of getting power.Save-up and go turbo IMHO, thats what I am planning on doing and trust me you will be more than satisfied with a KA-T.

12-15-2009, 10:09 AM	#8
shiftdrift Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: indiana Age: 33 Posts: 2,242 Trader Rating: (42) Feedback Score: 42 reviews	this isn't a dohc. it is a sohc for one, for two a 3" exhaust is PROVEN TO MAKE MORE POWER EVEN ON NA SETUPS. maybe you should do some research.

12-15-2009, 10:25 AM	#10
shiftdrift Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: indiana Age: 33 Posts: 2,242 Trader Rating: (42) Feedback Score: 42 reviews	but we are talking about the ka, not other engines. i'm just saying, i/e will give you 25 extra ponies. my friend actually dynoed his sohc after doing what i mentioned and had 25whp more. don't ask forthe sheet,because this was 5 years ago....don't get all butthurt. it's just my opinion after all.

12-15-2009, 10:11 AM	#14
shiftdrift Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: indiana Age: 33 Posts: 2,242 Trader Rating: (42) Feedback Score: 42 reviews	but yes, just go turbo.

12-15-2009, 10:32 AM	#15
shiftdrift Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: indiana Age: 33 Posts: 2,242 Trader Rating: (42) Feedback Score: 42 reviews	......i slide at 6-6500 in my sohc, my 3" exhaust does just fine

12-16-2009, 04:13 PM	#18
Rag Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 171 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	I stay at 5-7k most of the time and i have a 3" exhaust, your null point is?

12-15-2009, 10:48 AM	#23
shiftdrift Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: indiana Age: 33 Posts: 2,242 Trader Rating: (42) Feedback Score: 42 reviews	nah, just discussing man, i'm not trying to shoot anyone down. you seem like a cool guy because for one, your still rocking the sohc. i know i don't know it all, i don't claim to, i stated that is my opinion/my friend did it. i have a LOT to learn and try to do that daily. i do all my own car work so i can teach myself shit. reading stuff only gets you so far afterall.

12-15-2009, 12:51 PM	#27
shiftdrift Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: indiana Age: 33 Posts: 2,242 Trader Rating: (42) Feedback Score: 42 reviews	yeah, i'm sliding the ka till summertime or when it blows up and then doing a ca swap. just going small build, sr t25 @ 12lbs, front mount, manifold, downpipe, you know, small stuff. not enough to worry about tuning that much so i'll just use a safc and fpr should net me somewhere between 220-240whp and around the same tq. plenty to slide on. i had an na sr20de s13 and it was gimp. real gimp.