New 240sx???

[elevator]

Originally posted by tnord
the fewer words you speak..........the lesser the chance you have of being perceived as a fool.

And your point is??????????

[sykikchimp]

I don't think having the s-chassis caused them to go bankrupt. It was one of their best selling cars around the world. whether or not a new car will be produced, i think is not even debatable.. but whether it will come to the US or not.

We can only hope. I am #2 that would buy this car. I think if anything it gives nissan that entry level sports coupe that so many of the generation x-y people like. Entry level is that oppertunity to create life long loyal customers. They can not miss this segment.b

[03specVchik]

the spec-v doesn't suck. it's just not the RWD coupe like the aforementioned cars. and i've driven 240s for a while (not just currently). i think nissan definitely needs something between the spec-v (a max $20k car) and the Z (a min $31k car). the spec-v, while often put up against cars in this class, doesn't really compete in the same class as other sport coupes (240s, RSXs, celicas, etc.).

either way, it'll be interesting to see how nissan handles that missing link.

[SimpleS14]

Originally posted by some guy
So the line up will look like this:
Sentra SE-R (165-175hp) $16k-$18k
Silvia 2.5S (180hp) $18k-$22k
Silvia 3.0S (222hp) $22K-$25K
350Z (287-300hp) $27K-34K
Skyline GT-R (400+hp) $50k-$60k

There's no conflict in the line up.
I sure hope Nissan do it.

There will be conflict between that line-up. If you don't remember the 240SX and 300ZX were not closely priced...but the 240SX could be bought at a cheaper price...yet produce the same amount of HP to the 300ZX and handle with the right mods for the same price as the 300ZX.

Basically what I'm saying is this "Silvia" would hurt the sales of the Z...because people like to buy inexpensive cars and eventually with the right mods this "Silvia" will out do a 350Z stock....for the same cost of buy a new 350Z.

Get what I mean?

If Nissan makes another Silvia....it will not show up in the U.S. It's too risky...

[sykikchimp]

ahh yes.. but people like us are not the main market segment. the vast majority of people will buy the car for what it is stock. Not what it's Potential is stock...

[Nismos14]

like sykik said, we're looking to mod and the vast majority is looking to put it in the garage. if u think about it the ne 240 compared to the z its a big difference, if they stick with a 4 in the 240, thats the major difference, but drop the navi and the leather and all the amenities and make it a straight up sports car something to compete with the ITR's of the world, at about the same price range and now we're talkin

[96SEChick]

I wouldn't mind having something RWD, the same weight as our 240's, but w/ the 4 cyl 2.5L Altima engine for around $22k. Those things are surprisingly quick for only being .1L larger than our engines--technology has come a LONG way!!

[some guy]

Originally posted by GT specR
There will be conflict between that line-up. If you don't remember the 240SX and 300ZX were not closely priced...but the 240SX could be bought at a cheaper price...yet produce the same amount of HP to the 300ZX and handle with the right mods for the same price as the 300ZX.

Basically what I'm saying is this "Silvia" would hurt the sales of the Z...because people like to buy inexpensive cars and eventually with the right mods this "Silvia" will out do a 350Z stock....for the same cost of buy a new 350Z.

Get what I mean?

If Nissan makes another Silvia....it will not show up in the U.S. It's too risky...

Silvia would not hurt the 350Z sales much, if any. Most people can afford the Z is cross shopping between the G35 and the Z, so the Silvia 3.0S might outdo the Z, but look at it like this, the current Altima has very close performance to the Z, yet not many cross shop between the two. The Z is more of a GT car. The Silvia is more of a sports car. I'm just pointing out that there is a possible slot for the new Silvia to fill. (and I like the name Silvia more than 240SX )

[SimpleS14]

Originally posted by some guy
Silvia would not hurt the 350Z sales much, if any. Most people can afford the Z is cross shopping between the G35 and the Z, so the Silvia 3.0S might outdo the Z, but look at it like this, the current Altima has very close performance to the Z, yet not many cross shop between the two. The Z is more of a GT car. The Silvia is more of a sports car. I'm just pointing out that there is a possible slot for the new Silvia to fill. (and I like the name Silvia more than 240SX )

What's your definition of GT car and sports car?

just curious

There might be a spot for this car to go against the Celica and RSX....most likely it will be a hatch (just like the RSX and Celica) because Japanese coupes do not sell very well now a days (Prelude and CL got the axe).

The Altima may have close performance to the Z....but your comparing a 4dr/5 passenger car to a 2dr/2 passenger car....that's the big difference right there. Also the Altima did take sales away from the Maxima....

[tnord]

GT cars are typically larger, heavier, and more powerful with more creature comforts.

sports cars are just the opposite of course.

if priced right, i don't think Silvia sales would significantly take away from the 350.

the altima is most definitely taking away sales from the maxima.

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by tnord
the altima is most definitely taking away sales from the maxima.

yes.. but the Maxima has been redesigned and is targeting a little different market these days. the new Altima was taking sales from the older design Maxima b/c they had majorly overlapping market segments.. and the cars were simply too much alike.

[Silviaholic]

what the f is that? 250Z? Please give me a history lesson

[nissan slut]

They won't for the simple fact that the 350z is here. They are in the business of selling cars, so they don't have to closely draw a line between sports and GT car. A RWD car is a RWD car, I think we are just being greedy, getting the 350z and G35 coupe is more than enough. If you adjust for inflation, the 350z is the S14 and the GT-R and G35 coupe are the 300zxes of today. Discussion over.

[SimpleS14]

Originally posted by Silviaholic



what the f is that? 250Z? Please give me a history lesson

That's the concept car which lead to the production of the 350Z.

[nissan slut]

They won't for the simple fact that the 350z is here. They are in the business of selling cars, so they don't have to closely draw a line between sports and GT car. A RWD car is a RWD car, I think we are just being greedy, getting the 350z and G35 coupe is more than enough. If you adjust for inflation, the 350z is the S14 and the GT-R and G35 coupe are the 300zxes of today. Discussion over.

[tnord]

Originally posted by nissan slut
They won't for the simple fact that the 350z is here. They are in the business of selling cars, so they don't have to closely draw a line between sports and GT car. A RWD car is a RWD car, I think we are just being greedy, getting the 350z and G35 coupe is more than enough. If you adjust for inflation, the 350z is the S14 and the GT-R and G35 coupe are the 300zxes of today. Discussion over.

just as the camaro and corvette couldn't co-exist right? or the tunderbird and the mustang? or EVERY SINGLE STINKING BMW/BENZ. you're comment is like saying the M5 and M3 can't co-exist. and GUESS WHAT? there is going to be an M1 model out in the not-so-distant future as well. only a fool would consider all RWD cars alike. don't even try and pretend like you're some kind of marketing guru when all you do is regurgitate what other people have said. this discussion will never be over.

ps........i don't want to hear a damn thing about the camaro phasing out, it succeeded with the corvette for somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 years........and they're already designing a replacement for it.

[s14slide]

I haven't heard this much heat in a conversation since the elections. Keep it going, I'm enjoying all this speculation and controversy.

[KiDyNomiTe]

Originally posted by tnord
just as the camaro and corvette couldn't co-exist right? or the tunderbird and the mustang? or EVERY SINGLE STINKING BMW/BENZ. you're comment is like saying the M5 and M3 can't co-exist. and GUESS WHAT? there is going to be an M1 model out in the not-so-distant future as well. only a fool would consider all RWD cars alike. don't even try and pretend like you're some kind of marketing guru when all you do is regurgitate what other people have said. this discussion will never be over.

ps........i don't want to hear a damn thing about the camaro phasing out, it succeeded with the corvette for somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 years........and they're already designing a replacement for it.

TNord is right about the RWD thing, and there is a good chance that they will make this car, and if they follow patterns it will be at least 200HP. I would guess that the JDM version will have a 240-250 HP Turbo car, wethere or not we wil get that is a whole other subject, but they are trying to be more global, so to keep competitiveness they might release it out here, plus I assuming they know what kind of following the 240 had.

[JDM180SX]

I myself hope they release something, cuz my 240 is getting old and i'd like to have a 2nd car as a daily driver in a decent price range so I dont have to spend my life savings and get a 2nd job to afford a 350Z.

Though in my opinion there is a good chance of a new 240 or something similar due to all the publicity and organization of the annual 240 meet. I think that Nissan saw this and may be considering another car w/a similar chassis. I'd actually like to see something with the lines of a 180SX but not as long. Although something based on the 350Z chassis wont be bad. As for engine it'll probably be something like the SE-R engine w/a small turbo. Kinda like the Mazda Protege.

But still, it's all speculation. Until I see something I wont get my hopes up and keep saving for a 350Z.

[some guy]

GT specR
What's your definition of GT car and sports car?

Originally posted by tnord
GT cars are typically larger, heavier, and more powerful with more creature comforts.

sports cars are just the opposite of course.

if priced right, i don't think Silvia sales would significantly take away from the 350.

the altima is most definitely taking away sales from the maxima.

Pretty much what tnord said.

I see you point about the Silvia will steal sales from the Z, but the Z is priced so low to fill the gap the S15 leaves, if Nissan do make a S16, the Z will probably be a tad more expensive to leave room for the Silvia. And plus, the aren't that many people buying a bare bone base Z.

[some guy]

Originally posted by Silviaholic



what the f is that? 250Z? Please give me a history lesson

If thats the new Silvia, it will fail for sure.

[KiDyNomiTe]

Originally posted by some guy
If thats the new Silvia, it will fail for sure.

You have to understand concepts.




....




they never look like the production car, some are pretty similar, but always different. And that was stated to be the 350Z Concept, and it came out looking pretty nice, and I think the color makes it look worse than it is.

It kinda looks like a tall Toyota 2000GT.

[SimpleS14]

Originally posted by KiDyNomiTe
I would guess that the JDM version will have a 240-250 HP Turbo car....

just another engine to swap

[Silviaholic]

If that WAS the Silvia, I revoke my Zilvia.net membership.....

but its not...so good

[some guy]

Originally posted by KiDyNomiTe
You have to understand concepts.




....




they never look like the production car, some are pretty similar, but always different. And that was stated to be the 350Z Concept, and it came out looking pretty nice, and I think the color makes it look worse than it is.

It kinda looks like a tall Toyota 2000GT.

Let's just hope the real production model's front end will look NOTHING like that. Nissan should just revise the S15 front end and call it S16.

[Justin-ATL]

such great news, I just hope we get it over here.

[nissan slut]

Originally posted by tnord
just as the camaro and corvette couldn't co-exist right? or the tunderbird and the mustang? or EVERY SINGLE STINKING BMW/BENZ. you're comment is like saying the M5 and M3 can't co-exist. and GUESS WHAT? there is going to be an M1 model out in the not-so-distant future as well. only a fool would consider all RWD cars alike. don't even try and pretend like you're some kind of marketing guru when all you do is regurgitate what other people have said. this discussion will never be over.

ps........i don't want to hear a damn thing about the camaro phasing out, it succeeded with the corvette for somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 years........and they're already designing a replacement for it.

look there is no reason to get upset. camaro started around mid 30s, corvette 40s, mustang is sporty car, thunderbird is luxury, doesn't even sell that well for that matter, m3 loaded is 55g, m5 starts at 70g. m1 is just speculation, and it'll start around 150,000 if it does. those price gaps are alot bigger than the 2 to 3k the silvia and 350z would be. personally, i wouldn't want them to get sidetracked with the silvia instead of working on the GTR, because the 350z serves the same purpose. btw, how can you even compare the mustang and thunderbird with the silvia/350z/skyline? that just doesn't make sense. and the 2k price difference is OK for the tbird and cobra because they are two DIFFERENT cars. plus ford can do that because it does sell the most cars worldwide, last time I checked. nissan, although they are doing great, really don't need to take such a gamble, because in the end, the GTR might suffer

[tnord]

wow.........you have no idea what you're talking about.

1) the first year for the corvette was 1953
2) the first year for the camaro was 1967
3) the relative price difference between the M3 and M5 is about 27%. figure a new silvia would start at 21k, multiply that by 1.27 and you come up just short of 27k. gee, what a coincidence, right where the 350Z starts at.
4) the BMW M1 is not speculation......and it's not gonna be 150k or anything close. if you knew anything about BMW's you shoulda been able to figure out that the smaller the number of series of car, the smaller the car. BMW is releasing a new smaller line of cars called of course, the 1 series. in the not so distant future (a couple years after the redesign of the 5 series probably) the M5 will move up to a V10 in support of f1, the M3 will have a V8, and the M1 will have an I6. the M1 will be in the price range of the original M3, probably in the mid 30's.
5) the GTR is most likely pretty close to done. even if it's not, i doubt working on a new model would really be that detrimental to its success.
6) i'm not talking about the recent thunderbird, i'm talking about the old ones, that used to be basically a GT car just like the 350 is now. i don't see how you don't compare the 350 to a mustang, since it's in the same price range, same layout, same target market. don't be ignorant and dismiss it just because it's a ford. i could go on and on about this, but at this point in time, i'm sick of dealing with you.

thanks for playing, don't let the door hit you on your way out.

[Silviaholic]

holy ****...

i think you stepped on tnord dick with whatever you said....


my speculation...

250HP RWD Hatch. Wider wheel base and lower center of gravity than the s15. "FOUR Seater". I am however undecisive about the naming, s16 in JP for sure....but will it be brought back as 240SX like the 350Z? 250S? 260S?

Not to mention Nissan if VERY VERY VERY well aware of the demand for the return of the 240SX...call your local dealership and ask for one....guarntee if they did its gone along with 70 other calls regarding the same car....and they always get top if not over the to dollar for the car....

my .000002 cents which means nothing....

[nissan slut]

Originally posted by tnord
wow.........you have no idea what you're talking about.

1) the first year for the corvette was 1953
2) the first year for the camaro was 1967
3) the relative price difference between the M3 and M5 is about 27%. figure a new silvia would start at 21k, multiply that by 1.27 and you come up just short of 27k. gee, what a coincidence, right where the 350Z starts at.
4) the BMW M1 is not speculation......and it's not gonna be 150k or anything close. if you knew anything about BMW's you shoulda been able to figure out that the smaller the number of series of car, the smaller the car. BMW is releasing a new smaller line of cars called of course, the 1 series. in the not so distant future (a couple years after the redesign of the 5 series probably) the M5 will move up to a V10 in support of f1, the M3 will have a V8, and the M1 will have an I6. the M1 will be in the price range of the original M3, probably in the mid 30's.
5) the GTR is most likely pretty close to done. even if it's not, i doubt working on a new model would really be that detrimental to its success.
6) i'm not talking about the recent thunderbird, i'm talking about the old ones, that used to be basically a GT car just like the 350 is now. i don't see how you don't compare the 350 to a mustang, since it's in the same price range, same layout, same target market. don't be ignorant and dismiss it just because it's a ford. i could go on and on about this, but at this point in time, i'm sick of dealing with you.

thanks for playing, don't let the door hit you on your way out.

first, you really do need to check your attitude. here we go:

1) 30g, not 1930s, 40g, not 1940s
2)15k-20k no matter what percentage you come up with is a LOT more than the 2-3k difference. It will NOT start at 21k.
3)if you really knew half of what you think you did, there has already been an M1, which came out in 1978 was mid-engine with 277 HP coming out of 3.5 I6. you really can't even give the benefit of the doubt, huh?
4)GTR - point taken, but you have to admit it would take away from the 350z.
5)it's not that I don't compare the 350z to the mustang, it's that I don't compare the 350z and GTR relationship or silvia and GTR relationship to the mustang and thunderbird relationship. the thunderbird as far as I offered no real performance comparable to the skyline or 240z of any generation.

(insert witty conclusion sentence)

1977 BMW M1

if they bring out any M1 it WILL be like this.