what car brands will you never buy again?

[ronmcdon]

VW/Audi would be the only company I wouldn't buy again from.
Honda is fine if I'm buying something like a civic for practical purposes.
Subaru, I don't see myself interested in anything they have in the near future.
Same deal for Nissan.
Mitsubishi, if they kill the evo, honestly there is not an interesting car in their line-up.

Kinda sad, but I have no interest in any car at all right now other than the current Mustang or a used Vette.

[camaro379ss]

Anything german for me...they are a pain to fix and if you take them somewhere they will empty your pocket book.

As fot the mitsu/nissan arguement goin on....z cars did have a common trans problem and window motors. 2002-2006 nissans were not built well and the 2.5 is prone to headgasket problems. Evos do have a headgasket problem as well 2 of the people in this area have had that problem. HOWEVER if he had not blown that headgasket he would have never gotten the stroker kit and made a badass evo (he is a chiropracter that owns 2 practices around here I believe).

Every car brand has its problems audi/vw turbo problems.......late '90s-early'00s chevy's lower intake problems on their 3l seires motors (3.1,3.8, etc).
Fords are notorious for rusty rotors with very little time of movement.
Hondas are bad with rust and ball joints.
Chryslers eat tie rod ends like candy and pt cruisers blow out lower control arm bushings every 15k.
Subarus blow headgaskets like they are going out of style.
Mercedes leak oil just about everywhere(especially valve covers) as do bmw but coolant not oil.
Mazda 13b's I agree my rx7's were money pits but then so was my sentra....240....g35.....

[TheWolf]

I've had enough chevy's to where I have no desire ever to own a chevy.

My 2000 montecarlo had dexcool go corrosive. Eat out the heater core and all hoses at 50k. That's ok because the intake manifold gasket failed and dumped all the coolant into the oil pan at 65k. I sold the car and it then blew a headgasket at 90k. Glad it was gone.

My wifes 2002 CamaroZ28 needed just a couple of things to make it to 90k miles. 3 rear ends, 3 drivers window motors, 1 passanger window motor, a battery at 36k, all new brakes

the inlaws 2002 z28 needed 3 window motors, a rear end, a battery, all new brakes, a fuel filter check valve etc. all to make 45k..

Never again would I own one.. I love my 97 540i bmw. one of the last before the electronics invaded.

I've been stoked with my Suzuki Grand Vitara.

[upsdude]

interesting how kia hasn't been brought up yet and hyunda only a couple times.

[camaro379ss]

Kia was a terrible brand up until recently as with hyundai. Both have made great changes in the recent couple of years.

Just like saturn was terrible until its last few years where it started using gm " generic chassis' "

[Bubbles]

Genuinely surprised by the Honda comments.

Want to talk about ricers or lack of styling......sure, but reliability? Get the fuck out of here.

Honda and Toyota are the only two vehicles I can say I would guaranteed buy again, and have.

[SimpleS14]

VW or Audi

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by PANGES

Car makes that I wouldn't buy from again? Mazda, Mitsubishi, and most likely Honda.



I Agree. I've never ever thought about buying a Ford aside from the 03/04 Cobras; however, I've really been liking the direction Ford has been going. The past few days, I've been thinking about getting rid of my 2011 Civic SI next year and picking up a 2011 (or 2012) Mustang GT... that's sort of odd for me, considering I used to own an RB25 240sx, an Evo IX, Evo VIII, and now an SI. lol.

I've never owned any sort of domestic before, but now might be the time to try.

Ugh, the Civic Si is the oddity. You've gone from owning bad ass turbo cars to a weak-sauce bloated economy car with a 190hp engine that is in a car that once had... well a 190hp engine but was half the size well over 10 years ago.

5.0 Mustang GT is a god damn beast.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by TheWolf

I've had enough chevy's to where I have no desire ever to own a chevy.

My 2000 montecarlo had dexcool go corrosive. Eat out the heater core and all hoses at 50k. That's ok because the intake manifold gasket failed and dumped all the coolant into the oil pan at 65k. I sold the car and it then blew a headgasket at 90k. Glad it was gone.

My wifes 2002 CamaroZ28 needed just a couple of things to make it to 90k miles. 3 rear ends, 3 drivers window motors, 1 passanger window motor, a battery at 36k, all new brakes

the inlaws 2002 z28 needed 3 window motors, a rear end, a battery, all new brakes, a fuel filter check valve etc. all to make 45k..
.

Ugh..yeah, I'll leave this alone. Maybe upgrade your rear next team... while 4th Gens have interiors that look like they where made by Fisher Price and rattle like BBs in a can, I have to raise an eyebrow to such frequent rear-end and window failues.

Also, brake-job, fuel filter... that basic maintenance. Battery at 36? So what, how many years old? With all those window motors sounds like a wire may have gotten screwed up, power drain.

[fightinchunk]

i've had good experiences with all makes i've had so far. 3 different volvos, 2 sacrificed themselves to save my life, subaru and nissan.

knock on wood

[jontron5000]

I thought I'd never buy another Nissan after the first one I had got, a zenki s14. I would be driving then at a stoplight the motor would just randomly die. I literally had to crank it for 30 seconds just to get it start up again. 30 seconds feels like an eternity when people are all honking at you when the light is green and you're stuck. I think it was a timing problem but anyways, sold it for what I bought it for to the previous owner's friend. I have yet to start driving my s13 hatch but my swap is done, just waiting on the essentials for driving, like brakes and a clutch. I can't wait.

In the meantime, I have been driving my dad's 95 Jeep Cherokee. I believe he bought it with 150,000 miles on it and today it has over 300,000. The thing still drives strong, although it is very slow and extremely gas inefficient. Plus it got hit on the rear door by a BMW 5 series, the hood and bumper of the BMW was destroyed, where as the jeep only has a dent on it.

I guess it boils down to hoping your car isn't a piece after the years and miles roll on while you own it

[ayuaddict]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

Genuinely surprised by the Honda comments.

Want to talk about ricers or lack of styling......sure, but reliability? Get the fuck out of here.

Honda and Toyota are the only two vehicles I can say I would guaranteed buy again, and have.

That depends, I've owned (and currently own) manual transmission civics and had absolutely zero issues and i love them for that. But I find myself working on (customer's) Acuras and more "upscale" Hondas (especially with auto transmissions) on a daily basis, but that really does go for any manufacturer, the fancier it is, the higher chance of shit not lasting forever. But that is just a really American way of thinking where we expect everything to work well forever, and NOW. We wont open that can of worms in this thread however.

[turbobrick]

Originally Posted by fightinchunk

i've had good experiences with all makes i've had so far. 3 different volvos, 2 sacrificed themselves to save my life, subaru and nissan.

knock on wood

Same here. I've owned 7 cars so far, 3 volvos, 2 toyotas, 1 nissan and 1 mercedes. Although I usually do my research before I buy a car to make sure it isnt shit. Also, the newest car I've owned was my 91 mr2.

[NOLA350Z]

Daewoo. I know I'm probably one of the few that bought one of these cars and needless to say it sucks. Daewoo Leganza was my first car

[Walperstyle]

I wouldn't say I hate any brand, but there is some years in some cars I would avoid. 90's VWs with Mexican engines. When the Fiancee has blown up two of them, thats a bad sign.

Originally Posted by BustedS13

Honda. never again. has anybody else developed irrational hatred for certain makes or models?

Wow you are really depressed and irrational from your friend in Japan. Honda is a good company. Get your stuff together!

[daftphunk]

Would never buy a VW just by seeing how much a pain in the ass my friend's GTI is. It's relatively stock and though he doesn't really go through 'regular' maintenance, he probably has spent 6/7k on just repairs alone from the stealership

[s14canyoncity]

i mainly stick with 3 brands ... Nissan- Toyota-Honda......

will never buy an Euro cars

[JeKyL]

I will most likely never buy a car with a v6 + motor, pain in the ass to work on. So far I've had a vw, dodge, subaru, Nissan, mazda, honda, fiat only problems the vw blew a headgasket, dodge oil pan ripped off the block when it got hit by a rock crazy huh! Subie no issues did maintenance beat it up even crashed into a church and flew off a 5 foot ledge and car took the hit no problem, nissan so far had a bunch of s13s that typical old wear stuff things needed changing, Honda tranny busted, and fiat I flipped a truck and am still alive thanks to the seatbelt , take care of your cars and if it breaks sue somebody haha jk

[TheWolf]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Ugh..yeah, I'll leave this alone. Maybe upgrade your rear next team... while 4th Gens have interiors that look like they where made by Fisher Price and rattle like BBs in a can, I have to raise an eyebrow to such frequent rear-end and window failues.

Also, brake-job, fuel filter... that basic maintenance. Battery at 36? So what, how many years old? With all those window motors sounds like a wire may have gotten screwed up, power drain.

This was the pre-Fuel filter that has some check valve drain back thing. Not the easy to get at one. The one that you've got to drop the tank to get at. Which you have to drop the rear end to get to the tank.

All the batteries didn't crap out. The positive terminals broke off.

There is no upgrading the rear end unless you want to swap it out for a 12bolt rear for $1500 or install a custom 9". It's pretty much screwball. It's the same rear gearset that was used since the 1985 model. The V6 and V8's all got same rear end. Same with the power window motor. 1985-02. Which is pop riveted in place. The shit is ghey as hell. Rumor has it, you can get some cadillac motor that lasts 2x as long. I forgot. The cats in both have been replaced under warranty.

My suzuki still is running on stock battery, stock rotors at 70k and 5 years. It's not impossible to make parts that last.

[CrimsonRockett]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

Genuinely surprised by the Honda comments.

Want to talk about ricers or lack of styling......sure, but reliability? Get the fuck out of here.

Honda and Toyota are the only two vehicles I can say I would guaranteed buy again, and have.

Agreed. Besides the shitty service I've received at some Honda dealerships (not like it's Honda's fault directly, more like the employee giving them a bad name), I've really liked Honda's for the most part. Fairly reliable compared to most other cars. Friend has an Odyssey with over 500,000 miles, still running on the original motor and transmission I believe. If that isn't reliable, I don't know what is.

Problem with Honda and automatic transmissions is that they weren't directly made by Honda if I remember correctly. At the same time, most owners don't bother flushing their automatic (or even manual) transmissions. Can't expect them to last forever on old fluid(s).

Pontiac (or GM all together). I'd never own one. We had so many problems with our Grand Am it was ridiculous. One problem after another with that piece of shit.

I'll definitely stick with Honda/Nissan/Toyota (and Acura/Infiniti/Lexus). Every single used car I've owned (and kept), I add more than 20,000 miles in the first year alone. Never any issues, but then again, I always go the extra mile and give them all complete tune ups, replace any leaking/bad seals, sensors, etc.

People have to do some research before buying new and/or used cars. Find out what the common problems are and make sure they're either taken care of or at least be aware that X part might fail.

[VNG704]

so in a nutshell, every car make is shitty, got it.

[HyperTek]

dodge/Chrysler - had a caravan in the family and that thing had problems, dad had an intrepid and it developed problems, dad's wife got a pt cruiser and that is developing problems.

Chevrolet - i jut got a 99 blazer from my pops, trying to fix that now lol.

To me, if you work on cars alot, all the litle issues are no big deal.. tho if i had a new car under warrantee i probably too would rather them fix issues.

[Koukimonsta18]

Originally Posted by BustedS13

Honda. never again. has anybody else developed irrational hatred for certain makes or models?

I hate Hondas. But I do like S2000's. I had a Honda guy come up to me "hey you race your car?" I said "No it's stock". He replied "oh so it's camed?" fucking idiot.

[Gnnr]

Dodge/Chrysler

Fuck your piece of shit products.

[GeneralLee562]

Mercedes Benz never again POS cars, POS company...bought a brand new 07 E350 back in 07. The car ran flawless for about a year and half. Engine started ticking, transmission went out etc...20K in repairs which warranty only covered half of it.

Fu*k MBZ.

[xnissan240sx]

Originally Posted by Fearell

I'm with you on Audi, VW and Benz. I had nothing but problems with my A4 and S4.. I bought them before I started working on them all the time. VW just makes a shit product period.

Originally Posted by driftsilvias13

VW or Audi never ever

Also any MBZ

Originally Posted by Gizmo_S13

VW, fucking horrible cars to work on and one thing breaks leads to the car blowing up or trying to commit suicide.

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

VW or Audi

I agree with all you guys. I work at VW and Audi dealer in the shop and some of the shit that I fix i cant believe the poor quality the part was made in the first place. I can give you guys one good example.

Working on a customers car a few days ago, got a complaint that the car was over heating. Took it into the shop looked and right away i knew it was the water pump. Quoted that out for her and she was fine with it because it was all still under warranty. When I took the water pump off it was horrible! All the fins from the water pump had been broken off in tiny little pieces. Took forever to fish those all out. ( give you an idea of what it kinda looked like. Just instead of two big pieces add multiple ones!)
Went to the parts room to get the new warranty part and when i open the box to pull out the new part i look at it and just shake my head. I shake my head because as i have asked around the shop most of the guys i work with have replace a dozen or more of these, all under warranty, and yet they haven't thought to you know make the fins metal or anything to prevent this from happening after owning your brand new car for less then a month. ( Give you an idea of what it looks like brand new)


Thats the reason I say VW makes some shitty cars and products.

[jontron5000]

Originally Posted by xnissan240sx

Thats the reason I say VW makes some shitty cars and products.

Aren't their cars built in Mexico? I believe that is why they can sell their entry level Jettas and GTI's for so cheap

[ronmcdon]

Eh, they're not that cheap.
Current gen base Jetta/Golfs have gone through a lot of cost-cutting (torsion beam vs. irs, etc), yet the pricing is about the same.

[Matej]

Own a new vehicle.
When it is not at the dealership for repairs.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by boniomario

CHRYSLER, especially Jeep have one now it's been nothing but a pain in my ass !!!

This.

I have a disdain for Chrysler in general.