Kia unveils Sexual Chocolate Concept (RWD Sedan)

[Silverstone]

I hope no one in here runs Rotas or any other cheap shit, knockoff company.

Oh the irony would be hilarious.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by revat619

Kia hired him and he followed their formula. Legitimate designer or not, the car is way too obvious on the aston martin/panamera styling. It looks great, but its not all that original.

Really? And do you think Aston martin and Porsche we're the first with "coupe" style sedans? NO. It was MB with the CLS. Porsche, Aston Martin, and Audi have all followed suite with a similar car. So there's no reason to shun this car for not having an original roof-line any more then any of those car manufactures.

Originally Posted by revat619

You have got to be kidding.....

You fail miserably at analogies. We're all car guys here and we know the difference between makes, models, model years, etc. That chick you speak of doesn't know any better. You could slap a fiat badge on a shit pile fiero and she'd believe you.....

Now that we're done comparing apples and fucking walnuts....

Look at Kia's latest releases and show me one car where the design wasn't completely ripped off. Yes, it's commonplace for cars to share similarities and what not, but Kia habitually goes above and beyond just similarities in their car "designs". "Hey guys the car isn't a porsche or aston martin"....no shit sherlock. That's not the point. The point is, or should i say, MY point is the design isn't original at all, BUT its not surprising since Kia does this all the fucking time. IMO it's just not something to get all that hyped over. Is it a cool looking car for cheap though? Of course. Is its design original? Ummm no not really.

Some are hyped on it, others including myself are not. Who cares.

In a decade Kia has went from this:


To this:


the 2011 Optima is arguably (and most people won't even argue) the best looking midsize sedan on the market. Have you read the reviews for this thing? Almost all entirely positive. Have you seen them? They're gorgeous. The rest of Kia's line-up is just as good looking and getting just as many rave reviews.

Kia is not the knock-off brand it was 6+ years ago. They are a LEADER in styling right now. And their (Hyundai/Kia)engineering and bold efforts (Shit, even Ford doesn't have an entry into the midsize RWD sport performance segment. Honda and Toyota, hahahah. Or the fact that Hynudai made the next 240 before Nissan) are making the likes on Honda and Toyota feel like they are behind the times and their sales figures are proving what they are doing is working. It's the people not paying attention that still think Kia and Hyundai are the same companies they were 10 years ago.

And again, you can't dock Kia any points for creativity when the likes of Audi, Porsche, and Aston martin are doing the same thing.

[Antihero983]

Hmmm.....so people are pointing out the similarities in design.....yet some of them own S13s.....which look like Ford Probes...and a few other cars....

.....Weird.

When they make this, someone needs to put Hyundai's new 5.0L V8 in it. Beast.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

the 2011 Optima is arguably (and most people won't even argue) the best looking midsize sedan on the market. Have you read the reviews for this thing? Almost all entirely positive. Have you seen them? They're gorgeous. The rest of Kia's line-up is just as good looking and getting just as many rave reviews.

[simmode1]

^^^Well, goddamn. That really is nice looking.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by Corbic

That is not a USDM Optima...

[MeMineISelf]

flame suit on! but is Kia korean or did usa bought and owned? my friend told me something about how kia got sold to us.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by MeMineISelf

flame suit on! but is Kia korean or did usa bought and owned? my friend told me something about how kia got sold to us.

No, Hyundai and Kia are one company called Hyundai Kia Automotive Group not owned by anyone.

[MeMineISelf]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

No, Hyundai and Kia are one company called Hyundai Kia Automotive Group not owned by anyone.

so who own them?

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by MeMineISelf

so who own them?

No one. They are just a company like Ford, GM, Toyota, Nissan, Honda are their own companies.

[simmode1]

Doesn't Renault own Nissan? Or is it just a partnership?

Originally Posted by exitspeed

That is not a USDM Optima...

Well somebody needs to get on with the KDM conversions because that thing is gorgeous.

[frsh4]

Fuck that a Kia is still a Kia. Im gonna drive this instead vroom vroom.

[imotion s14]

Originally Posted by MeMineISelf

so who own them?

Shareholders?

[!Zar!]

Kia is still Kia.

That alone is reason enough for me to pay it no mind.

[ronmcdon]

Meh, this (or just the new Kia aesthetic) doesn't do much for me.
It's certainly an improvement over their past, I'm just not really feeling it.

The design is alright, I don't find it ugly but it's a bit too derivative.
Peter Schreyer's involvement prob explains my ambivalence.
Not really a huge fan of anything VW or Audi's aesthetic in general.
I feel that here he's just re-hashing bit & pieces of ideas & tossing it all into design.

Unless it's a dedicated performance car I've never felt RWD was the end be all thing to have.
Chargers & 300C's are rwd too
RWD is a nice thing, but it's not the only thing I would look for in a car.

It'll be interesting to see what road tests can do, but I'm not optimistic.
On paper, the Hyundai (I think Sonata?) with the powerful turbo-4 looked good.
Road tests from mag ads showed it to be a fairly lackluster ride without the handling, steering, and other feedback/performance issues not so well sorted out.

It's a move in the right direction, I just don't think KIA is quite there yet.
In 5-10 yrs they might have something really special.
Commercially, they're doing great now, nobody can deny.

Ford would be the company that I feel is doing the absolute best in terms of products offered in their current lineup.
I can honestly say there's nothing I don't find appealing in their lineup.

[revat619]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

blah blah blah. some shit i wasn't even talking about.

Dude, i'm not hyped on the car. Get over it.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

That is not a USDM Optima...

OMGF!! You know, now that I think about it, I doubt they come on those wheels or with coilovers as well!!

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by simmode1

Doesn't Renault own Nissan? Or is it just a partnership?


Well somebody needs to get on with the KDM conversions because that thing is gorgeous.

Give these guys a call.

Welcome to SFR International Inc - Racing Soul from Seoul

Kia and Hyundai are making some damn nice, solid cars. Their interiors still need work, but the more I see them, the more I like them. The Genesis Coupe is expected to get a 350hp DI V6 and 270hp Turbo-4 with the next update (2012) that will make it a real head turner.

The Optima's are sick, $25K gets you a 274hp Turbo-4 with a 6spd and leather. It sucks we only get Beige and Grey interior (stock wheels blow), Black or Brick I'd be all over it.



This styling, pricing and power, match it with RWD and

[ViciousCesar!]

Mind and well, mind and well indeed...

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by frsh4

My dad recently wanted the new optima and total came out to 26k i think. Which is obscured for a hyundai, right?

Did you mean obscene? And no, your a fucking idiot.

Optima is a Kia, so why are you saying Hyundai? As for either being 26k, go price out any standard mid/full-size car. CamCords go well into the 30's.

[frsh4]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Did you mean obscene? And no, your a fucking idiot.

Optima is a Kia, so why are you saying Hyundai? As for either being 26k, go price out any standard mid/full-size car. CamCords go well into the 30's.

Harsh words. You are right tho didnt realize what i wrote.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by simmode1

Doesn't Renault own Nissan? Or is it just a partnership?

Partnership. Big difference.

Originally Posted by frsh4

Fuck that a Kia is still a Kia. Im gonna drive this instead vroom vroom.

Ok, lets compare a $375k super car to a sedan concept that is gonna be $35k. lol Seriously.

[KiLLeR2001]

I saw one of those Kia Optima's on the road the other day... Reminded me of this...

[drift freaq]

Ok while it does not look bad, I do have to agree with some of the others in this KIA is as KIA will it will always be a KIA. Which means I have no interest in owning one.

Oh and for the comment Of Hyundai making the next 240sx before Nissan did? Give me a fucking break Mel.
The Genesis is bigger and basically the same weight of a 350Z. To me that does not make it the next 240sx. It makes it Hyundai's attempt to one up the 350Z by being cheaper.
In my opinion it does not do that. I would buy a 350Z and the heritage that goes with it before ever owning a Genesis.

Oh and like I said that does not make the Genesis a 240sx replacement in way shape or form.
Oh oh but its got a a shitty little 2 liter turbo so it must bad ass. Give me a fucking break.

Its to heavy to be a 240sx replacement. LOL

Mel just go out and by a Hyundai or Kia. You really seem to be in love with them,

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Its to heavy to be a 240sx replacement. LOL

Welcome to the 21st Century Drift Freaq, its a land of cars with higher feature content, better safety specs and most importantly, more weight.

You are correct, the Gen Coupe is a pig. However, have you noticed something?

G37 3,769
BMW 3 Coupe 3,600
Camaro 3,700
Mustang 3,453
Genisis 3,439
370z 3,374
GTR 3,836
Eclipse 3,237


240sx was not the lightest car in its day, and by todays standards its a hollow tin cash piece of shit death trap.

Also, in case you forgot, a base POS Single Cam 130hp Coupe cost $13,000 in 1989, thats $23,000 today.

[!Zar!]

Wait.

A $35,000 Kia?

[ronmcdon]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Welcome to the 21st Century Drift Freaq, its a land of cars with higher feature content, better safety specs and most importantly, more weight.

You are correct, the Gen Coupe is a pig. However, have you noticed something?

240sx was not the lightest car in its day, and by todays standards its a hollow tin cash piece of shit death trap.

Also, in case you forgot, a base POS Single Cam 130hp Coupe cost $13,000 in 1989, thats $23,000 today.

harsh remarks aside, I agree it's not likely that we'll have anything remotely comparable to the old 240sx.
One can only hope we'll get something close enough, and really the GC is a great effort
(doubt Nissan will top the GC even if they came out with something)

if you prefer something more nimble, there's always the miata.
that really is going to be as close as you can get in terms of specs & pricing.
a new miata is likely to be also a better car, minus the interior room.

To be fair a lot of cars today are just so much better than the stuff in the 90's.
No sane person would take an 89' usdm 240 over a GC for the same amount of $$.

Originally Posted by !Zar!

Wait.

A $35,000 Kia?

It'll be interesting to see how many ppl on Zilvia are willing to commit to this
I just think it's strange how so many complain that the Z is too expensive (around 32-34k ?), but this is totally justified.

While I think it's good to discuss the pros and cons of cars, I think it's also good to refrain from too much bandwagoneering.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by ronmcdon

It'll be interesting to see how many ppl on Zilvia are willing to commit to this
I just think it's strange how so many complain that the Z is too expensive (around 32-34k ?), but this is totally justified.

While I think it's good to discuss the pros and cons of cars, I think it's also good to refrain from too much bandwagoneering.

I think people today forget about inflation. They also forget that a 240sx needs about $7,000 in work to both look good and perform well. Turbos, brakes, coils, wheels, seats and body kits. Nobody around here likes or wants a stock 240SX. A 350Z on the other hand, wheels and lowering springs and its on fire.

As for 34k being to expensive, its actually rather cheap. A 300zx TT back in the day was almost $50,000 today. A Turbo Silvia was around $30,000 in todays money.

I've argued in the past the 350Z is Nissans 240sx replacement. They took the performance Silvias (ie turbo) that priced around $25,000 in 2001 and the bottom end 300ZXs and put them into one car, a $27,000 350Z.

In 2010, the Average Car sale price was $29,850. Also, there was a time people mocked the idea of...

[!Zar!]

For all that money I rather buy German.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Ok while it does not look bad, I do have to agree with some of the others in this KIA is as KIA will it will always be a KIA. Which means I have no interest in owning one.

Oh and for the comment Of Hyundai making the next 240sx before Nissan did? Give me a fucking break Mel.
The Genesis is bigger and basically the same weight of a 350Z. To me that does not make it the next 240sx. It makes it Hyundai's attempt to one up the 350Z by being cheaper.
In my opinion it does not do that. I would buy a 350Z and the heritage that goes with it before ever owning a Genesis.

Oh and like I said that does not make the Genesis a 240sx replacement in way shape or form.
Oh oh but its got a a shitty little 2 liter turbo so it must bad ass. Give me a fucking break.

Its to heavy to be a 240sx replacement. LOL

Mel just go out and by a Hyundai or Kia. You really seem to be in love with them,

I won't try to convince you the Gen Coupe is the new 240. i just don't have the time Dave.

And Toyota and Honda were the kia/hyundai of 25 years ago. The phrase Jap-Crap ring a bell? Yeah, people used to think those cars were piles of shit too, and then they started making really nice, competitive cars. Pretttty much what Hyundai/Kia are doing right now. They went from cheap, crappy knock-off looking cars, to quality vehicles loaded with options, engineering and quality.

It's not that I LOOOOVE them so much, it's that I respect what they are doing. Where other manufactures are abandoning or ignoring RWD chassis's because of cost and cafe standards they are embracing them and solving those issues with engineering. On top of it, they went out and got real talent to style their cars and it's paying off.

Just saying I have a level of respect for that. My eyes are open.