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driftstyre · 02-08-2004, 11:44 AM

DS240R, that a really nice and thorough cage. One question, what is going on with the talon in the background here
http://monkey-r.com/jim/pages/DSCF0024.htm

Also, if people are looking for photos of FIA cages, vermont sportscar in vermont has built many cages. Though they are probably a little over built for what most people here are looking for, the designs are all universal for a FIA Group N and some group A cars. All four suspension towers are tied in and on some cars, the rear subframe/diff mounting points are tied in from the top with smaller diameter tubing (which I can see being a benefit for drifting).
A GC8 WRX -- http://www.vtcar.com/wrxbuild.htm
Evo V group N -- http://www.vtcar.com/evogallery.htm

All are TIG and very time consuming

Also, here are some other pics:

http://www.cascadeautosport.com/evo7/IMG_1860web.jpg
http://www.cascadeautosport.com/evo7/IMG_1874web.jpg

stich welding seams -- http://cascadeautosport.com/siteimag...rtina%2019.jpg
http://cascadeautosport.com/siteimag...rtina%2018.jpg

DS 240R · 02-08-2004, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftstyre

DS240R, that a really nice and thorough cage. One question, what is going on with the talon in the background here
http://monkey-r.com/jim/pages/DSCF0024.htm

The Talon with a/c makes a good daily driver.

Those pics are about 2 years old- I'll see if I can get more recent pics up at the shop with the pair of 3037 powered SE-Rs in the background if that will make you feel better

*DSC* · 02-05-2004, 07:05 PM

I can host them if you can send them to me. PM me for an e-mail adress that will take large files.

*DSC* · 02-05-2004, 10:31 PM

Sweet! Nice pannel for the door

badass cage!
http://www.240motorsports.com/zilvia/cage/s13cage/

I've seen seat mounts like that before...similar anyway. cool stuff.
http://www.240motorsports.com/zilvia/cage/teg4.jpg

adamhu · 02-06-2004, 08:11 AM

this small site may be of interest as well....(forgive my unprofessional welding skills

...philip and i did his roll bar last weekend )

http://www.turbo240sx.ca/ORFPROJECTS.html

DS 240R · 02-06-2004, 01:12 PM

I'm not that familiar with the S chassis. What is the place those rear arms attach? Is that trunk floor right above the gas tank?

... still searching for a 240

TBreu007 · 02-10-2004, 09:09 PM

DSC, thanks for posting the pics. and the compliments.

The next cage I build is for my girlfriend's "H" Production Mini race car...that should be a "little" easier

OCIS · 03-12-2004, 10:47 AM

Here are few pics of my new cage. What do you guys think?

http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4287467509

DS 240R · 03-12-2004, 10:56 AM

Looks like a good start. You might want some more side-impact protection. You just have the one bar, right?

Nice and clean though the dash though. Nice work.

OCIS · 03-12-2004, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DS 240R

Looks like a good start. You might want some more side-impact protection. You just have the one bar, right?

Nice and clean though the dash though. Nice work.

Yes there is only one bar. But like you said it's only a start.

holisticbeatz · 05-22-2004, 12:30 AM

Very nice OCIS, did you fabricate it yourself or had someone/shop do it for you? I saw a picture of your car here too:

you bastard! Killing an innocent cone..

laying down the rubber..

OCIS · 05-24-2004, 03:28 PM

holisticbeatz,

A company called UPFD did all the fab. work.

hellion240sx · 05-24-2004, 03:58 PM

nice shots!!!!!

holisticbeatz · 05-25-2004, 12:49 AM

Check this cage out! It's totally awesome!

http://www.worldwidechang.com/Pics/Cars/MyCar/Cage/

These pics belong to Alex Chang

steve shadows · 05-25-2004, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by holisticbeatz

Check this cage out! It's totally awesome!

http://www.worldwidechang.com/Pics/Cars/MyCar/Cage/

These pics belong to Alex Chang

nice cage alex, im assuming your still a solo1 guy

DS 240R · 05-25-2004, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by holisticbeatz

Check this cage out! It's totally awesome!

I hope that is sarcasm I am sensing.

That is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Those bars will be the first thing that collapses in a roll-over. Why even do it if you aren't going to do it right (and safe)?

drift into a curb · 05-25-2004, 01:21 PM

That's a cusco cage made of chromoly. It's been tested by plenty of Japanese car guys on and off the track. And although it's not SCCA-legal, they do have their own standards of testing and such (FIA). I would say it's a little more "streetable," but a street and race car are two very different extremes.

DS 240R · 05-25-2004, 02:42 PM

Yeah, I've seen them before- only in 240s, but I am sure they make other applications. It isn't the material, but the design which is bad. Ask any cage fabricator and he'll give it a big thumbs down. It would be better to have a straight bar than the s bends.

Is it FIA approved? When you say tested, did they crash a car? Pics would be cool. Or did you just hear they tested it?

This cage is for ricers. But, to each his own.

driftstyre · 05-25-2004, 03:04 PM

"they do have their own standards of testing and such (FIA)"

FIA cages are of a much higher standard than SCCA. That cusco cage would not be legal for either. There is no way that A pillar bar would survive a rollover. I think that cage is designed to provide chassis stiffness more than anything. Cusco calls it a roll bar and that is what it is. I like it though, just not going to survive much of a heavy roll.

This Corolla has a 18 pt WRC cage. It rolled 8 times flat out in 6th gear at over 120 mph. If you build your own cage model it after a modern Grp A, Grp N or WRC rallycar cage. Chassis stiffness and safety are unparallel in their design requirements.

DS 240R · 05-25-2004, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftstyre

This Corolla has a 18 pt WRC cage. It rolled 8 times flat out in 6th gear at over 120 mph. If you build your own cage model it after a modern Grp A, Grp N or WRC rallycar cage. Chassis stiffness and safety are unparallel in their design requirements.

Unfortunately, some rule limit cage attachment points and don't allow things like plating down the a-pillar that rally cars do, so this isn't always an option.

Gladman · 05-25-2004, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DS 240R

Yeah, I've seen them before- only in 240s, but I am sure they make other applications. It isn't the material, but the design which is bad. Ask any cage fabricator and he'll give it a big thumbs down. It would be better to have a straight bar than the s bends.

Is it FIA approved? When you say tested, did they crash a car? Pics would be cool. Or did you just hear they tested it?

This cage is for ricers. But, to each his own.

2 words "street car"

not everone is willing to sacrifice their car to install a cage... heres another word for you.... "resale"

Gladman · 05-25-2004, 07:10 PM

my cage. aka roll bar.

bought 20ft of DOM seamless tubing and bent it up and welded it myself. ill probably sell it soon in favor of an 8pt cage.

http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4287500665

Ricer240sx · 05-25-2004, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gladman

my cage. aka roll bar.

bought 20ft of DOM seamless tubing and bent it up and welded it myself. ill probably sell it soon in favor of an 8pt cage.

http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4287500665

y dont u jsut build off of that???

steve shadows · 05-26-2004, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ricer240sx

y dont u jsut build off of that???

thats what im looking for exactly

Gladman · 05-26-2004, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rpsports

thats what im looking for exactly

i want my next cage to be weld in. i want the rear stays to go all the way back to the rear of the trunk, i also dont want all the paint to light on fire and kill my brain cells as it gives off fumes, a lot easier just to sell the one i have and start fresh.

TBreu007 · 05-25-2004, 09:32 PM

How many people are all that worried about resale value on a 10+ year old $2000 street car?

DS 240R · 05-26-2004, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TBreu007

How many people are all that worried about resale value on a 10+ year old $2000 street car?

True dat!

(I got mine for $600)

If it is a street car and not a racecar, why ask in the Motorsports forum?

hurleyboi514 · 05-26-2004, 01:08 PM

street cars can participate in motorsports...

Gladman · 05-31-2004, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DS 240R

True dat!

(I got mine for $600)

If it is a street car and not a racecar, why ask in the Motorsports forum?

Why are people flaming a cage thats obviously in a street car?

khoadogg · 11-11-2004, 08:17 PM

lalalalala..........

Autopower 6pt w/ diag. bar, door bars, harness bar, head restraint.

02-05-2004, 07:05 PM	#3
DSC New Title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: VA Posts: 3,454 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I can host them if you can send them to me. PM me for an e-mail adress that will take large files. __________________

02-05-2004, 10:31 PM	#4
DSC New Title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: VA Posts: 3,454 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Sweet! Nice pannel for the door badass cage! http://www.240motorsports.com/zilvia/cage/s13cage/ I've seen seat mounts like that before...similar anyway. cool stuff. http://www.240motorsports.com/zilvia/cage/teg4.jpg __________________

02-06-2004, 08:11 AM	#5
adamhu Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: toronto Age: 54 Posts: 34 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	this small site may be of interest as well....(forgive my unprofessional welding skills ...philip and i did his roll bar last weekend ) http://www.turbo240sx.ca/ORFPROJECTS.html __________________ Z06 destroyer www.turbo240sx.ca Last edited by adamhu; 02-06-2004 at 10:22 AM..

02-10-2004, 09:09 PM	#7
TBreu007 Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son... Age: 48 Posts: 95 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	DSC, thanks for posting the pics. and the compliments. The next cage I build is for my girlfriend's "H" Production Mini race car...that should be a "little" easier __________________ '92 240sx Improved Touring "S" race car '89 240sx etc., etc.

05-22-2004, 12:30 AM	#11
holisticbeatz Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2003 Location: CALIFORNIA Posts: 988 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Very nice OCIS, did you fabricate it yourself or had someone/shop do it for you? I saw a picture of your car here too: you bastard! Killing an innocent cone.. laying down the rubber.. __________________ Trust and I don't mean GReddy.

02-08-2004, 11:44 AM	#1
driftstyre Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boston Age: 46 Posts: 748 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	DS240R, that a really nice and thorough cage. One question, what is going on with the talon in the background here http://monkey-r.com/jim/pages/DSCF0024.htm Also, if people are looking for photos of FIA cages, vermont sportscar in vermont has built many cages. Though they are probably a little over built for what most people here are looking for, the designs are all universal for a FIA Group N and some group A cars. All four suspension towers are tied in and on some cars, the rear subframe/diff mounting points are tied in from the top with smaller diameter tubing (which I can see being a benefit for drifting). A GC8 WRX -- http://www.vtcar.com/wrxbuild.htm Evo V group N -- http://www.vtcar.com/evogallery.htm All are TIG and very time consuming Also, here are some other pics: http://www.cascadeautosport.com/evo7/IMG_1860web.jpg http://www.cascadeautosport.com/evo7/IMG_1874web.jpg stich welding seams -- http://cascadeautosport.com/siteimag...rtina%2019.jpg http://cascadeautosport.com/siteimag...rtina%2018.jpg

02-06-2004, 01:12 PM	#6
DS 240R Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: LA, CA, in the shop... Posts: 79 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'm not that familiar with the S chassis. What is the place those rear arms attach? Is that trunk floor right above the gas tank? ... still searching for a 240

03-12-2004, 10:47 AM	#8
OCIS Zilvia Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: orange county Posts: 232 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Here are few pics of my new cage. What do you guys think? http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4287467509

03-12-2004, 10:56 AM	#9
DS 240R Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: LA, CA, in the shop... Posts: 79 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Looks like a good start. You might want some more side-impact protection. You just have the one bar, right? Nice and clean though the dash though. Nice work.

05-24-2004, 03:28 PM	#12
OCIS Zilvia Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: orange county Posts: 232 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	holisticbeatz, A company called UPFD did all the fab. work.

05-24-2004, 03:58 PM	#13
hellion240sx Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NOLA Age: 43 Posts: 1,514 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	nice shots!!!!!

05-25-2004, 12:49 AM	#14
holisticbeatz Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2003 Location: CALIFORNIA Posts: 988 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Check this cage out! It's totally awesome! http://www.worldwidechang.com/Pics/Cars/MyCar/Cage/ These pics belong to Alex Chang __________________ Trust and I don't mean GReddy.

05-25-2004, 01:21 PM	#17
drift into a curb Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 2,870 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	That's a cusco cage made of chromoly. It's been tested by plenty of Japanese car guys on and off the track. And although it's not SCCA-legal, they do have their own standards of testing and such (FIA). I would say it's a little more "streetable," but a street and race car are two very different extremes. __________________ Go big or go home!

05-25-2004, 02:42 PM	#18
DS 240R Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: LA, CA, in the shop... Posts: 79 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yeah, I've seen them before- only in 240s, but I am sure they make other applications. It isn't the material, but the design which is bad. Ask any cage fabricator and he'll give it a big thumbs down. It would be better to have a straight bar than the s bends. Is it FIA approved? When you say tested, did they crash a car? Pics would be cool. Or did you just hear they tested it? This cage is for ricers. But, to each his own.

05-25-2004, 03:04 PM	#19
driftstyre Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boston Age: 46 Posts: 748 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	"they do have their own standards of testing and such (FIA)" FIA cages are of a much higher standard than SCCA. That cusco cage would not be legal for either. There is no way that A pillar bar would survive a rollover. I think that cage is designed to provide chassis stiffness more than anything. Cusco calls it a roll bar and that is what it is. I like it though, just not going to survive much of a heavy roll. This Corolla has a 18 pt WRC cage. It rolled 8 times flat out in 6th gear at over 120 mph. If you build your own cage model it after a modern Grp A, Grp N or WRC rallycar cage. Chassis stiffness and safety are unparallel in their design requirements.

05-25-2004, 07:10 PM	#22
Gladman Zilvia Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Vancouver Age: 39 Posts: 287 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	my cage. aka roll bar. bought 20ft of DOM seamless tubing and bent it up and welded it myself. ill probably sell it soon in favor of an 8pt cage. http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4287500665 __________________ Kick Ass 2.4Liter Engine!

05-25-2004, 09:32 PM	#26
TBreu007 Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son... Age: 48 Posts: 95 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	How many people are all that worried about resale value on a 10+ year old $2000 street car? __________________ '92 240sx Improved Touring "S" race car '89 240sx etc., etc.

05-26-2004, 01:08 PM	#28
hurleyboi514 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Fort Posts: 905 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	street cars can participate in motorsports... __________________ HighTach Motorsports

11-11-2004, 08:17 PM	#30
khoadogg Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Age: 41 Posts: 2,423 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	lalalalala.......... Autopower 6pt w/ diag. bar, door bars, harness bar, head restraint. __________________ AIM SoarinStrong[B]STRONG 6iX[B] RB single turbo ///Work AMKREAD 180sx