By the time I'm ready to buy a 240SX, I won't be able to afford one.

[sykikchimp]

Originally Posted by citizen

westboroughpimp car is set up well and he can drive. i would also have to agree with him on the fact that s13s don't handle as well as people say they do. my main concern is the understeer and sloppy powersteering.

I have a lot of on track experience with a lot of cars including many that you list there. I still say if your 240 handles worse than an AE86, a Toyota TRUCK, and a RUSTANG with a solid axle rear end, and shitty ass suspension tuning that is BUILT to push, there is something wrong with you or the car. period.

[Var]

Originally Posted by sykikchimp

I have a lot of on track experience with a lot of cars including many that you list there. I still say if your 240 handles worse than an AE86, a Toyota TRUCK, and a RUSTANG with a solid axle rear end, and shitty ass suspension tuning that is BUILT to push, there is something wrong with you or the car. period.

no you are wrong. The end

i have driven more than a handful of s13's.

[zero.counter]

I think that it is one of those, "at the right place at the right time". deals...or at least it has been for me. My $3400 95 S14 SE with a complete system, 71k Miles, and immaculate interior/exterior and the $75 89 coupe with parted motor, which has been put back together for less than $200. They both happened by chance, my other cars were out of necessity...

[tsunami0ne]

not only are the prices for 240s going up, SR20DET prices are slowly on the rise as well.

[JtWo]

Slowly? Haha

[zenkiDori]

240 = new bandwagon car, thus prices rise.

if(Ricers++)
Price++;
if(car==BandWagonTrend)
Price++;

[M.Piedlourde]

Originally Posted by zenkiDori

240 = new bandwagon car, thus prices rise.

if(Ricers++)
Price++;
if(car==BandWagonTrend)
Price++;

Is it? In Colorado?

Here in Virginia, there is no bandwagon. I see plenty of primered bodykit Civics, but I rarely see any 240SXs, modified or not. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen a modified 240SX around here.

[aznpoopy]

maybe its different out in cali, but here on EC the 'bandwagon' isn't as bad as people say. the few times other import ppl recognize my car, its cuz they are already driving a 240. ricers and the like ignore me most of the time. my car looks really stock though (stock 4 lugs, a smallish exhaust) so maybe that's why.

i don't think 240 prices have fluctuated that much... people asking alot for them is usually because they over-rate the worth of the car. when used cars hit a certain age the price stabilizes around 1-2k no matter what condition the car is in (barring super old junkers). the 240 is rare; but its def not so rare like the 86 where a few more ppl wanting it will cause the price to spike like 1-2k.

[Ghettokracker71]

Originally Posted by M.Piedlourde

Is it? In Colorado?

Here in Virginia, there is no bandwagon. I see plenty of primered bodykit Civics, but I rarely see any 240SXs, modified or not. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen a modified 240SX around here.

You are not looking hard enough

I've spotted a red S15 fronted S14 with a fucking huge FMIC,kitted with wheels...etc...in midlo.

There is an electric blue Fastback running around in chesterfield with the eastbear lights.

Stumpz has an SR20 in a fastback with wheels,and silvia projector front conversion (chesterfield)

I've seen two or three different pignoses just in the past week with wheels...and another primered one with what appears to be sportin' Nur Spec Exhaust.

I drive a cherry red hatch with wheels,ML320 lights,clear bumper lights...intake/exhaust its extremely clean and loud as a mofo

EDIT:In the past month I've definitely noticted a HUGE increase in drift type cars in my area. I spotted an MKIV with wheels,shaved off the spoiler...kitted and FMIC not even a mile from my house I've also seen aprimered Hachi(only one in my area on the street...) with exhaust,increase in kids running FC's off the rev limiter,and seen plenty of stock coupes/fastbacks with teens is a major increase.Also been getting a shitton more complements,thumbs-up(s) ,heads turning,and "the knod" from people.

[M.Piedlourde]

Originally Posted by Ghettokracker71

You are not looking hard enough

I've spotted a red S15 fronted S14 with a fucking huge FMIC,kitted with wheels...etc...in midlo.

There is an electric blue Fastback running around in chesterfield with the eastbear lights.

Stumpz has an SR20 in a fastback with wheels,and silvia projector front conversion (chesterfield)

I've seen two or three different pignoses just in the past week with wheels...and another primered one with what appears to be sportin' Nur Spec Exhaust.

I drive a cherry red hatch with wheels,ML320 lights,clear bumper lights...intake/exhaust its extremely clean and loud as a mofo

EDIT:In the past month I've definitely noticted a HUGE increase in drift type cars in my area. I spotted an MKIV with wheels,shaved off the spoiler...kitted and FMIC not even a mile from my house I've also seen aprimered Hachi(only one in my area on the street...) with exhaust,increase in kids running FC's off the rev limiter,and seen plenty of stock coupes/fastbacks with teens is a major increase.Also been getting a shitton more complements,thumbs-up(s) ,heads turning,and "the knod" from people.

Chesterfield? I don't visit the hick section of town very much.

Just kidding. I live in the west end, and around here, the only 240SXs I see are beat up old stock models. I'll have to cruise around your part of town some Saturday night to see what modified ones I can spot.

[G_Fish240]

its not that bad, you can still get them for good prices, imma be looking for another (maybe) soon since my got stolen. Whats really bad is hachis. You see rusted hachis go for 3000 daily

[Burmonster]

My s13 when it had stock suspension and my s14 that still has a stock suspension both handled better then my 1998 Cobra (supposedly the best handling mustang due to the indepent rear suspension).

I am with sykikchimp on this one.

[Var]

1-I'm 99% sure 98 mustangs still had solid rear..? but you owned one. Can anyone else confirm?

2-Ok..so maybe the Toyota truck didnt handle was well. That was a fib. but honestly i think the s13 has really bad turn-in especially stock. Maybe i just dont like the way they feel or something.. and on top of that i like to talk shit about s13's. And the mother of all reasons, no matter how stupid you guys may think it is.. The s13's in Gran Turismo 3 dont handle well, and they talk smack about em in the Drift Bible. And my opinion about it was already made up WAY before i knew anything about drifting, the drift king, and before i ever tried comparing it to other cars in GT3, before i heard anyone else's opinions on s13's understeer.

[Burmonster]

Originally Posted by westboroughpimp

1-I'm 99% sure 98 mustangs still had solid rear..? but you owned one. Can anyone else confirm?

I am sorry, button slip, I owned a black/black 1999 Cobra. Sorry you did the research and all, feel kind of bad about that. But anyway, I still felt that the s-chassie cars handle better.

[MakotoS13]

cobras have IRS. stock GT stangs handle a hell of a lot better than their much weaker siblings which some people base opinions on. i mean, they aren't vettes but the car is pretty well rounded when compared to f-bodies and stuff.

p.s. i like my s13 even in it's rough condition.

[Var]

i was right


http://www.stangnet.com/specs/cobra2000drive.html

SVT Mustang Cobra Independent Rear Suspension
The 2000 Ford SVT Mustang Cobra continues as the first "pony-car" to receive an independent rear suspension (IRS), but unless you get underneath the car on a lift, it's difficult to appreciate the technical elegance that went into the design process. The Cobra's independent rear suspension was first introduced for 1999 on the redesigned SVT Mustang Cobra.

[nightwalker]

someone sucks at driving.

You should be hung by your toes for saying a Rustang handles better than a S13. A S13 stock is pretty decent, a modified S13 will own many cars, even bmws, fag-stangs, and hachi-rokus.

I am not going to back up my stupid comment with any facts, or anything else for that matter. It's so you can reply in anger and we can have a flame war.

But if you were smart, you wouldn't argue too much about the S13 sucking, because this is Zilvia... (just in case you forgot)

[Var]

Originally Posted by nightwalker

someone sucks at driving.

You should be hung by your toes for saying a Rustang handles better than a S13. A S13 stock is pretty decent, a modified S13 will own many cars, even bmws, fag-stangs, and hachi-rokus.

I am not going to back up my stupid comment with any facts, or anything else for that matter. It's so you can reply in anger and we can have a flame war.

But if you were smart, you wouldn't argue too much about the S13 sucking, because this is Zilvia... (just in case you forgot)

Forget flamewars. How about a normal discussion. Okay let's assume i can't drive. If this was the case, then i wouldnt be able to tell the difference between a good handling and a not-so good handling car.

But since you guys are all lawyers, you all started attacking my driving skills and completely dismissed the main point of my post , which was how S13's handle when COMPARED TO OTHER CARS.. but nono...it cant be true cause this is Zilvia.. s13's are the best. my bad

[Var]

Originally Posted by sykikchimp

That or you just can't drive

Originally Posted by sykikchimp

something is wrong with you car

Originally Posted by nithwalker

someone sucks at driving

damn.. i feel so stupid. I was wrong all along. what was i thinking stating my opinion about the s13? . forget that everyone outside of this board, even Keiichi has the same opinion as me. It's all irrelevant. There's no way the s13 doesnt handle good.. Apparantly mine has a bent frame, and on top of the fact that i can't drive, this made me jump to a impossible conclusion.

The s13 DOES handle good. Better than the ae86. especially through the mountains. This is the s13's strong point.. your opponent takes his ae86 through the turn with a slight hint of oversteer, while your s13 keeps going straight...wait? isnt that understeer..??? NO IDIOT>> it's the s13's suspension computer calculating the shortest distance between 2 points. A STRAIGHT LINE!

[M.Piedlourde]

Originally Posted by westboroughpimp

damn.. i feel so stupid. I was wrong all along. what was i thinking stating my opinion about the s13? . forget that everyone outside of this board, even Keiichi has the same opinion as me. It's all irrelevant. There's no way the s13 doesnt handle good.. Apparantly mine has a bent frame, and on top of the fact that i can't drive, this made me jump to a impossible conclusion.

The s13 DOES handle good. Better than the ae86. especially through the mountains. This is the s13's strong point.. your opponent takes his ae86 through the turn with a slight hint of oversteer, while your s13 keeps going straight...wait? isnt that understeer..??? NO IDIOT>> it's the s13's suspension computer calculating the shortest distance between 2 points. A STRAIGHT LINE!

I appreciate your comments, pimp, especially since you've got a dissenting view from the majority. During the 8 long months that I owned a Camaro Z28, I discovered that handling ability is much, much, MUCH more important to me than straight-line prowess and power. I'm one of those people who just really likes driving, and I enjoyed my old Saturn SC beater more than the Z28, simply because it was a lot lighter and a lot more fun to drive. It's rare that I ever need to go 150mph on the street or soundly defeat the minivan next to me in a drag race.

Anyway, the supposed handling ability of the 240SX is one of the big reasons I'm drawn to it. Just about everyone says they drive great, but if you disagree with that opinion, I'm interested in hearing (reading) why you feel that way.

[MakotoS13]

i don't quite care about readin all of what ya said but it was pretty funny

[Var]

Dont get me wrong it's a great drive, it's just not what i thought i would be.. They understeer really bad sometimes for no apparent reason. The way i look at it is..The relation between the maximum g-force the car can pull and the maximum turn-in speed doesnt add up. In other words, the car can grip around a turn well, but compared to that grip level it has no turn in. But as far as control, it's great. Really well balanced and fun to drive. If you get in a pickle, it's pretty reasonable to get out of it..(not like the 86 though) I'm not trying to convince you to not get one. Just get enough toe out and negative camber , and make sure when you lower it the FIRST thing you do is get RUCA(rear upper control arms) cause that rear end has too much traction at that point. I drove the car with no LSD for the first year or so, big mistake. Got my 2-way now. Harder to touge with. Especially on downhill sweepers with the diff @ 100% lock. This is a whole different can of worms though. end rant


before you buy an S13, drive an S14 and an S13, then make your decision. Make sure whoever is letting you test drive lets you take some turns at the limit, even in a parking lot so you see how the car feels.