The Future Automotive Thread

[Z_Spool]

Originally Posted by vanish1

Heres a story about an A#$hat friend of a coworker of mine. There are large swooping interchange circles in sfl and this guy decided to take one a lil too hot in a scion tc.

instead of spinning out his car drove straight off the road because understeer locked the steering up. One pole, the jaws of life, and an expensive medical bill later hes still alive.

sorry rwd is inherently safer.

He's right Zar, had he been in a RWD and spun, he would have went off the interchange backward/sideways and science has shown time and time again that nothing bad can happen to you then.

[simmode1]

^^^Pffft! lol

Originally Posted by drift freaq

You might as well insert E36 M3's into that equation as well. Less than 10k are every bit as nice as 240sx in the handling department with better ride more comfort and cache. They did not label them flying bricks for nothing.

</p> Completely right. I think the only reason I omitted the E36 M3 is because I was focusing on sub $10k options sold in the 2000's & not of older/similar vintage as the S-Chassis. But yes, that is a great option as well.

[SimpleS14]

Originally Posted by vanish1

and Honda gets a break in Japan......so...

Taxes, valuation of currency, manufacturing capacity and demand at home and international markets are just some factors to take into consideration.

[dbeiler]

http://www.roadandtrack.com/motorspo...s-ring-record/

New Mustang GT350R 'may' be quite the track car.

[simmode1]

How fast does the FRS lap Nurburgring? Lol

[!Zar!]

Originally Posted by vanish1

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Just take the L and move on bro.

[dbeiler]

Originally Posted by simmode1

How fast does the FRS lap Nurburgring? Lol

Some say it's still on it's first lap

[simmode1]

^^^Lol! I googled real quick & found some FRS board claiming it lapped the Ring in 9:09 with a slightly dap track & might be capable of 8:50 if dry. Bad thing is that the old V6 GC did it around 8:28 with an auto trans... lol... I wonder what the current V6 would do with the 6spd. But yeah, that Shelby GT350R seems set to mash on the Z28. Dis gon b gud!

[LockOn!]

Originally Posted by simmode1

Why would you WANT to do that though?! lol... HR 350Z>>> FRS/BRZ. Throwing away 100 more hp & the HR engine that can actually withstand forced induction? You gonna be in the same boat as Raz0rbladez909 a few posts up regretting getting rid of superior car for an FRS... lol... Oh the FRS is so light! Big whoop. Z's power to weight ratio DESTROYS it. Badly. Throw on some OEM Nismo aero & focus on making its handling sharper. Done.

That was the joke. If I had bought an FRS instead of my Z last April I would've been pisssssed

[dbeiler]

FR-S/BRZ twins get ON AVERAGE 27 miles to the gallon.
Bet a 3.5L 350z can't even get that on highway miles alone.

Big, heavy cars with large displacement NA engines = horrendous fuel economy.
Energy prices ^^^ will only serve to benefit the production of lightweight, small-displacement, turbocharged cars in the future

[kingkilburn]

Of course the FRS/BRZ doesn't do well on a huge road course. It doesn't have the power for all that top and speed. It's not a grand tourer.

[simmode1]

^^^ Doesn't really matter. Genesis coupe, Mustang & Z always murder the FRS anyplace that isn't a tiny autocross course.

Originally Posted by dbeiler

FR-S/BRZ twins get ON AVERAGE 27 miles to the gallon.
Bet a 3.5L 350z can't even get that on highway miles alone.

Big, heavy cars with large displacement NA engines = horrendous fuel economy.
Energy prices ^^^ will only serve to benefit the production of lightweight, small-displacement, turbocharged cars in the future

Bro, don't nobody give any fucks about mpg's around here. Gtfo.

[future]

Still looking into a HR Nismo. Always wanted one

[exitspeed]

Yep, and confirming what we've all said: Nissan gives no fucks about the IDx.
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/01/28/n...n-hold-report/

[woodchuck]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Yep, and confirming what we've all said: Nissan gives no fucks about the IDx.
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/01/28/n...n-hold-report/

ahh - you beat me to the post.

"...emphasis is seemingly being focused more on volume offering"

More Altimas please?

No thanks.

[Z_Spool]

Most Japanese Manufacturers seem to be content with carrying a diverse lineup of vehicles which sole purpose is economic, safe transportation.

Long gone are the days of the econobox race cars.

[simmode1]

I think Nissan was considering bringing the IDX out when Palmer was still there, but then took one look at the Mustang and said "Uhhh, nah. We're not competeing with that. Buy more Z's please."

[SimpleS14]

At this point I'm weary that Nissan will deliver a solid offer for the next gen Z.

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

At this point I'm weary that Nissan will deliver a solid offer for the next gen Z.

next gen Z will be 3 litre and most likely twin turbo.

im basing this on the official announcement of engine size + aspiration featured in the new infiniti Q60 (G coupe)

Originally Posted by simmode1

I think Nissan was considering bringing the IDX out when Palmer was still there, but then took one look at the Mustang and said "Uhhh, nah. We're not competeing with that. Buy more Z's please."

funny thing is, had nissan gotten off its worthless ass and brought the IDx out at 2700lbs, 1.8L - 2.0L 4 cyl turbo making 210-235hp and kept it RWD... the car wouldve been a PERFECT contender for the new Ecoboost Mustang. (both cars wouldve run circles around the FRZ twins)

but nope! as has been the pattern for the last 13 years... nissan dangles the carrot then yanks it

[Future240]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

next gen Z will be 3 litre and most likely twin turbo.

im basing this on the official announcement of engine size + aspiration featured in the new infiniti Q60 (G coupe)

I feel even if this was the case it would have to be very competively priced agasint the 32,300 Kmsrp GT. Considering current msrp is 29.,999K I find it hard to beleive they could boost the thing and not make it expensive as hell.

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by Future240

I feel even if this was the case it would have to be very competively priced agasint the 32,300 Kmsrp GT. Considering current msrp is 29.,999K I find it hard to beleive they could boost the thing and not make it expensive as hell.

im sure well find out within the next year to year and a half the exact specs of the new Z... the GTR and 370Z are REALLY on their last legs given how long both have been around w/o a redesign!

[future]

Nissan has a thing for not changing what works


they finally upgraded the Titan after ten years

[!Zar!]

Originally Posted by future

Nissan has a thing for not changing what works


they finally upgraded the Titan after ten years

Also known as cheap/frugal/stingy.

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by !Zar!

Also known as cheap/frugal/stingy.

And indecisive.

[raz0rbladez909]

Originally Posted by simmode1

^^^I remember when you posted about selling your S2000 for the new 86. Personally, I thought that was a terrible idea. But the C5 Z06 is a great way to redeem yourself... Good job, sir.

I admit I was intrigued by the idea of a "spiritual successor to the ae86", but after owning it for a little over a year I was less than impressed. The S2000 is one of those few cars that I would actually buy again down the line, whereas you'd have to pay me to want to own another FRS. Thanks regarding the c5z. It's kinda funny that I always looked at them as out of my league price wise, yet here I am, driving one and I couldn't be happier, well maybe if it was a C6 Grand Sport. Hah

Originally Posted by dbeiler

FR-S/BRZ twins get ON AVERAGE 27 miles to the gallon.
Bet a 3.5L 350z can't even get that on highway miles alone.

Big, heavy cars with large displacement NA engines = horrendous fuel economy.
Energy prices ^^^ will only serve to benefit the production of lightweight, small-displacement, turbocharged cars in the future

My z06 averages 3-4 mpg less than the frz twins with double the horsepower. A standard C5 will probably match them or get close on the highway lol.
http://www.fuelly.com/car/chevrolet/corvette/2004 [emoji6]

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by !Zar!

Also known as cheap/frugal/stingy.

Cheap and stingy should not be put in the same category as frugal. Frugal means wise in spending and not just throwing cash around . It's called shopping smart.
Cheap means just that will only by crap. I have seen very Frugal people buy very top end stuff because it was worth every penny they paid.

Stingy has a completely different meaning as well stingy tend to not spend at all . It also usually is related to someone who won't give. As in a Christmas Carol Scrooge was stingy not cheap, not frugal just stingy.

As as far as this relating to Nissan a better way to describe the current situation would be conservative and indecesive .As its not that the company is not spending money on new products they are just not taking chances.

They are also quite cost conscious after the near bankruptcy disaster of the 90's.

With the departure of certain people from the company the pushback from non convservative forces is no longer there. The conservative forces are now ruling the roost with no checks and balances.

Truthfully if something works and does well why fix it? I could point you to the 70's were Nissan discontinued the 510 after 5 years , big mistake they could have sold those cars for another 4 years easily.Sure they had the 610 which did have the same suspension but the cars wee getting heavier. By the time the 710'came out it no longer employed the IRS rear. When they rereleased the 510 model at the end of the 70's it was a model name grab only . It was not a IRS sport sedan. It was just an economy car with the same name. Or the 240z which they transitioned into the 260 then 280 both of which grew heavier with the same suspension design and not enough more HP to really make a difference. The only reason they had any success seling 280z's was because they rode the glory of the 240z.
They were non revving overwieght low powered pigs compared to the 240z. Real Z car enthusiasts hated them. lol

Those were mistakes in my mind back in the day.

Nissan has built great cars throughout their history but stumbled many times in between.
At this time we might as well stop the lamenting and suck it up.
I can honestly say if they do the next Z right the naysayers hear will most likely grow real silent.
Fact is ya they suck right now . Get over it move along buy other cars.
It's not going to change tomorrow.

[HeyGirlHeyyy]

Originally Posted by Z_Spool

Most Japanese Manufacturers seem to be content with carrying a diverse lineup of vehicles which sole purpose is economic, safe transportation.

Long gone are the days of the econobox race cars.

They do it because it's low risk. They've already won over the public, so why spend money trying to romanticize their products through racing?*

Originally Posted by drift freaq

With the departure of certain people from the company the pushback from non conservative forces is no longer there. The conservative forces are now ruling the roost with no checks and balances.

*What really doesn't make sense is the Murano Convertible. To me, it seems like Nissan is void of "car people" in the decision making positions.

[DRIFTER-M]

I am somewhat surprised by the FRS/BRZ discontent in here...
I always jump at the first opportunity to point out the mistakes Toyota made with that car, however people talk about the next 240sx...
Similar wheel base, similar look - highest HP achieved for 240sx was 155HP, the FRS/BRZ pulls 200+.
It is basically an s-chassis with more power and a tad bit heavier.

I would love the IDx though, and I would have/ will (yes I know the chances currently are not great) put a down payment on one. I think many s-chassis owners would, the s-chassis scene is gravitating up slowly in the age range, I think most of us could afford to do such. Really bummed with how much Nissan hyped it only to let it die.

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by DRIFTER-M

I am somewhat surprised by the FRS/BRZ discontent in here...
I always jump at the first opportunity to point out the mistakes Toyota made with that car, however people talk about the next 240sx...
Similar wheel base, similar look - highest HP achieved for 240sx was 155HP, the FRS/BRZ pulls 200+.
It is basically an AE86 with more power and a tad bit heavier.
.

Fixed.

The FRS/BRZ is awesome if kept in the light of what it actually is: the AE86 successor.

But if I've said it once, I've said it a million times: the ppl like me who dislike the FRS do so because it pales in comparison to the S-Chassis' we ACTUALLY care about - The Silvias.

No robust engine? No factory turbo? No. Fucking. Care.

[raz0rbladez909]

Originally Posted by simmode1

No robust engine? No factory turbo? No. Fucking. Care.

Unfortunately the factory turbo engine is in the WRX, and not in the FRZ. Had they changed that, they'd be selling ALOT better. Give the people what they want, is it really that hard??