The Future Automotive Thread

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by Corbic

I also still have no idea what the hell it means or references. Is it an acronym?

scat1
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go away; leave.
"Scat! Leave me alone"

Until now that's pretty much what I'd do with any Chrysler product.

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by Corbic

I'm surprised BMW or Mercedes didn't pick it up first.... being German and all.

I also still have no idea what the hell it means or references. Is it an acronym?

Scat is sex play with human feces... fairly common knowledge.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

Scat is sex play with human feces... fairly common knowledge.

Some how I doubt that is what Dodge was referencing when they came up with the name.

[Matej]

Actually, that is exactly what they were referencing.

[exitspeed]

Sort of OT but after nearly a decade of Acura's hideous, and failed design language they are set to debut their new look in Detroit in a couple weeks. Seems like really poor planning. The NSX is set to finally come out and you immediately make it look like a dated, last gen product? Seems like they're setting it up for failure, although I'm sure it'll do just fine. With all of the RWD Honda talk as of late in curious to see if they get serious with Acura and finally make a proper RWD sedan. I just read the TL used to be the second best selling midsize luxury sedan behind the 3 Series but sales pave plummeted to 50% of what it used to. Seems like a no brainier way to revitalize the brand.

[exitspeed]

100 lbs less and 16 more hp.
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/12/27/t...ideo-official/

[kingkilburn]

For the price difference you could make one faster and lighter in your driveway.

[Dutchmalmiss]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

For the price difference you could make one faster and lighter in your driveway.

Or just get a C6 Z06.

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

100 lbs less and 16 more hp.
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/12/27/t...ideo-official/

$54k for that shit?!? No thanks. C6 plz.

[Future240]

And each will sell for the equivalent of nearly $54k

Perhaps that is why it is only limited to 100 units. I am honestly curious to see how long those take to sell.

[Lees_Garage]

I don't buy into the "limited edition/collectible" junk. I buy and build cars to drive, not for resale or collectibility.

[vanish1]

to be fair for the price of a new frs and all the different parts theyve installed on the GRMN edition Id be hard pressed to believe a person could do it cheaper than 54k

[Matej]

That is just the base limited edition.

The limited limited edition comes with a painted hood and trunk, and red stitching on the shift boot.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by vanish1

to be fair for the price of a new frs and all the different parts theyve installed on the GRMN edition Id be hard pressed to believe a person could do it cheaper than 54k

Are you fucking joking?

It's 216hp, up 16hp, has some bullshit carbon fiber and now features 17x7/8 staggered wheels.

Get the fuck out of here.

[vanish1]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Are you fucking joking?

It's 216hp, up 16hp, has some bullshit carbon fiber and now features 17x7/8 staggered wheels.

Get the fuck out of here.

why are you getting upset at me? Ive actually read the full specs of this car not the short blurb summary youre all up in arms about.

msrp frs 27k
different 6spd trans - 3-4k
6pot calipers front 4pot rear with coilover suspension -2k
cf hood, trunk, roof, and adjustable gt wing - 2-3k
different forged? wheels
different intake and exhaust mani, different pistons
torsen lsd
lightweight driveshaft
chassis bars for rigidity
body kit and single exhaust
plexiglass rear quarter and rear window
recaros
grmn instrument panel w/ different steering wheel, shifter and other interior parts

so once again, not really sure why you think joe schmo could build the same for less; parts and R&D included. Track legal street car

http://gazooracing.com/pages/grmn/86/#!/

[spooled240]

Take that extra 27k and turbocharge the damn thing. I guarantee you it will put down a faster lap time than that GRMN 86 lol.

This is japanese marketing at it again. Even the Nismo GTR only had a 50hp increase and some different fascia/ suspension upgrades for over double the cost of a normal GTR when it first came out.

[vanish1]

^ or spend 20k and put wings on it and make it a plane? Yea you could spend money doing a lot of different things; perspective.

[spooled240]

It would actually only cost about 5k for -wait for it- 50-STATE CARB LEGAL 290hp/241tq. Maybe another 3k to rebuild it with forged internals and a heavy-duty clutch. And we all know how much coilovers, wheels, some chassis bracing and lighter body panels can cost. I'm just saying for about 10k you could have a solid street legal track car that would do circles around that GRMN.

http://store.worksmotorsports.com/WO...p/142.212c.htm

But no let's make an underpowered car that's already light and responsive even lighter and more responsive with a marginal increase in hp.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by vanish1

why are you getting upset at me? Ive actually read the full specs of this car not the short blurb summary youre all up in arms about.

msrp frs 27k
different 6spd trans - 3-4k
6pot calipers front 4pot rear with coilover suspension -2k
cf hood, trunk, roof, and adjustable gt wing - 2-3k
different forged? wheels
different intake and exhaust mani, different pistons
torsen lsd
lightweight driveshaft
chassis bars for rigidity
body kit and single exhaust
plexiglass rear quarter and rear window
recaros
grmn instrument panel w/ different steering wheel, shifter and other interior parts

so once again, not really sure why you think joe schmo could build the same for less; parts and R&D included. Track legal street car

http://gazooracing.com/pages/grmn/86/#!/

Honestly have to say this is a Japanese car not a German car. The trans you have listed should not even be near 3k $1500 is more like it. Pretty much goes the same for the wing and carbon fiber bodywork, i.e. overpriced.

Can't say I have not seen this type of crazy from Japan before. The Spoon fastback roof for the S2k coming in at 10k is another example.

Fact is yes the GRMN FRS indeed is overpriced and not worth the $54k . They are not bringing it to the U.S. most likely because they know we would laugh at it.

People do pay more for Japanese cars than ever before but those are cars that deliver on the promise. The biggest problems of the whole FRS/BRZ deal has been over promise and under deliver. In fact that's a common trait we have seen stateside for years from foreign manufacturers.

Even with the E36 M3 as great as it can be we got short changed close to 100hp.

One could site the 240sx as another example, the only thing there is Nissan had a somewhat valid excuse that was true. If it had come equipped with a CA or SR in DET form it would have wiped the floor with the NA Z.

Truth be told Suburu and Toyota screwed the pooch. Enough so as to scare Nissan away from considering going ahead with the IDX.

Meanwhile Mazda will just whistle down the street with the Miata.

Taking 100lbs off the weight off the FRS was a gesture in the right direction but it's about as good as Toyota can pull off. They have always manufactured the heavier build chassis. Even MR2's were always a bit on the piggy side, not to mention the beloved behemoth that is the Supra.

Ya GTR's are heavy too but at least they give you gobs of HP and physics defying handling for their weight.
I don't see anything like that in the 54k FRS and if I was in Japan I would still wait it out for the next Z.

[vanish1]

whether or not its overpriced is speculation until we know what kind of overhead or % profit theyre making off the car

Time costs money too. What kind of deal how much did they spend making 100 cf body parts

outsourcing product designs to companies so they can manufacture it for you; $

and $1500 for a brand new 6spd custom gear transmission? Why Japan and not Germany and the US?

[vanish1]

Originally Posted by spooled240

It would actually only cost about 5k for -wait for it- 50-STATE CARB LEGAL 290hp/241tq. Maybe another 3k to rebuild it with forged internals and a heavy-duty clutch. And we all know how much coilovers, wheels, some chassis bracing and lighter body panels can cost. I'm just saying for about 10k you could have a solid street legal track car that would do circles around that GRMN.

http://store.worksmotorsports.com/WO...p/142.212c.htm

But no let's make an underpowered car that's already light and responsive even lighter and more responsive with a marginal increase in hp.

not including costs of labor; race spec parts are more expensive than entry level stuff that youre talking about.

youre already near 40k with just the stuff you mentioned (not including labor) which again is speculative

[Dutchmalmiss]

Originally Posted by vanish1

not including costs of labor; race spec parts are more expensive than entry level stuff that youre talking about.

youre already near 40k with just the stuff you mentioned (not including labor) which again is speculative

I think the point he was trying to make was that the extra cost towards improving the GT86 could have been towards improving power output and supporting mods, rather than make a car that is already light even lighter. 16hp gain probably won't even be felt from all that added downforce.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by vanish1

whether or not its overpriced is speculation until we know what kind of overhead or % profit theyre making off the car

I don't think you understand the concept of "over priced".

[dbeiler]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Honestly have to say this is a Japanese car not a German car. The trans you have listed should not even be near 3k $1500 is more like it.

Oh GTFO with that. Japanese parts have always cost more than euro parts. Toyaburu trans costs more than any BMW trans ever will. Euro cars are pricy because they use excessive crap we don't even need here in the States. Massive fixed caliper brakes. Not really necessary, we don't have any Autobahn freeways here. Brake pad wear sensors. Again, we don't have an Autobahn. Our pads aren't wearing that quickly. Daytime running lights. Why bother? I can't see your DTRLs over the glare of the phone screen I'm texting on.

Toyaburu can do whatever the hell they want to. They have no competition. S2000 is dead. IDX was aborted. 370z is an overweight pig. The Mustang, Camaro and Challenger haven't been sports cars since the 70s. They've finally made handling improvements but they weigh more than SUVs.

The Miata is so tiny you can't fit a pair of gloves in the glove box. You never see Miatas in a Costco parking lot.
Corvette starts at $55K.
Lotus Elise (new) isn't even sold here anymore.
Porsche. Even the cheapest little 265hp Boxster starts at $52K.

[Matej]

Actually, they sell Miatas in six-packs at Costco.

The Miata is so tiny you can fit another Miata in the glove box.

Two Miatas walked into a bar...




...Gay bar.

[kashira kureijii]

Originally Posted by dbeiler

The Miata is so tiny you can't fit a pair of gloves in the glove box. You never see Miatas in a Costco parking lot.

DIW,
paying attention to cars while at Costco instead of trying to pick up Asian girls at Costco

[vanish1]

Originally Posted by Dutchmalmiss

I think the point he was trying to make was that the extra cost towards improving the GT86 could have been towards improving power output and supporting mods, rather than make a car that is already light even lighter. 16hp gain probably won't even be felt from all that added downforce.

Yes I understood that but the point I am stressing is that there are different ways to skin a cat. GRMN decided to focus on a lot of stuff besides the motor; doesnt mean the money they spent was wasted or without purpose.

Originally Posted by Corbic

I don't think you understand the concept of "over priced".

explain to me why you think boutique auto shops have the same sort of bottom line or overhead that major corporations have

because its really basic math; stuff costs money and it adds up regardless if a motor makes 190 hp or 1000 hp

[kingkilburn]

It's wasted because nothing they did improves the weaknesses in the base product.

It needs bigger tires, better brakes, and [clarkson]POWAAAAAH[/clarckson].

[exitspeed]

I've never driven one, but totally agree the SS is severely underrated.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2015-...d-test-review/

[future]

but in the end of the day the car still is 3700 lbs no matter how good it is on track your going to feel the weight. And idk about you guys but thats something I don't like


but either way defiantly a great car. Best part is its even harder to see out then the old gen