2012-2013 NBA Season Thread

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by tricky_ab

This guy just HATES Texas...

Who is this scrawny child?

[Riq]

Thank God the Heat closed out the series today. I couldn't stand watching one more game. Hell I stayed on ABC to watch the end of the Celtics vs Knicks game. I DVR'd the Heat game but it's usually the other way around. As much as I HATE the Celtics I want them to win and make to the ECF. I want the Heat to be the team to knock them out of the playoffs once again. I just can't see the Knicks as a rival as much as I want them to be. There is no distaste by the players to fuel the Hate like there is for the Celtics...

[revat619]

Good god i want this Laker series to be over...

Watching D-Leaguers and the continuation of D'antoni's stupidity is just too much. Call me when it's over.

[tricky_ab]

Oh man this game right now...

Return of the Mac! A T-mac sighting finally happens... I can't believe T-Mac is on the court, and about to make it to the second round.

Originally Posted by Phlip

Who is this scrawny child?

Yeppers, that one!

[Gnnr]

Things on my mind....

The winner of the LAC/MEM series is going to the Finals. Yes, the Spurs will find a way to fuck it up as they've done the last 3 years.

OKC was not going to the Finals again, they've regressed when they traded Harden. If they made it back with him he could have redeemed himself, but oh well.

Chicago once again finds the way to suck the fun out of the playoffs by bringing us another low scoring, boring series akin to last year's 76ers one.

I hope the Nuggests/Warriors series goes on for 7 because this shit is exciting!

Does it reflect bad on D'Antoni that he is getting outdone by the likes of Mr. Hand-Down-Man-Down?

You can see that a good coach can at least muster out 1 win out of pride and will (Doc Rivers) with a depleted team.

Originally Posted by Riq

Thank God the Heat closed out the series today. I couldn't stand watching one more game. Hell I stayed on ABC to watch the end of the Celtics vs Knicks game. I DVR'd the Heat game but it's usually the other way around. As much as I HATE the Celtics I want them to win and make to the ECF. I want the Heat to be the team to knock them out of the playoffs once again. I just can't see the Knicks as a rival as much as I want them to be. There is no distaste by the players to fuel the Hate like there is for the Celtics...

The rivalry is there between the fanbases, its just that this particular HEAT team doesn't see it that way.

[zooopreme]

Lakers need to unload and rebuild. If D'Antoni is staying, find players that adapt well to an offense that collapses to great defensive teams. The ball found no energy for the Lakers this season if it wasn't for Kobe the GOAT Bryant. So if D'Antoni stays, it would help to have low cost players that know how to create their own shots.

I wish D'Antoni would be fired. I hope Jim Buss surrenders his "basketball operations" job. And playing old men under heavy minutes will only get you swept in the first round of the playoffs. Offseason 2014 is going to be nuts though.

If Dwight resigns, I don't believe he deserves max. But the Lakers will probably give it to him. I can't see myself as a GM, relying on him to make great plays to get W's or carry a team to the finals.

And as for Pau, love that guy but the Lakers are not the right fit for him --under D'Antoni. It is likely that this was his last game in Purple and Gold. He's such a great player and his stats speak for themselves. He isn't THE guy to carry a team but he's definitely a key factor into the Lakers success. It's too bad, D'Antoni didn't realize this because it may be too late.

[Gnnr]

I know Buss' stupidity can't be ignored here but:

No way D'Antoni stays.

Dwight is not an elite player, how can he be the future of anything?I would dump him and get a better supporting cast that can help Kobe (who is no spring chicken) assuming he is to return.

[FRpilot]

Originally Posted by zooopreme

If Dwight resigns, I don't believe he deserves max. But the Lakers will probably give it to him. I can't see myself as a GM, relying on him to make great plays to get W's or carry a team to the finals.

Lakers HAVE TO offer him the max if they are serious about keeping him. If they don't, someone else will and he's not playing for anything less than the max even if he doesn't deserve it.

I can't see Dwight as THE GUY either, unless he somehow turns into Shaq, but after all these years he still hasn't got any type of go to offensive move or footwork down so I don't see that happening with the time he has left. I think he thinks he can score like Shaq or be even better than him, but the truth is Shaq was an automatic 2 points (or 3pt play) when you fed him the ball inside. Dwight has no moves so when he gets the ball inside he will sometimes score if he is lucky and has good positioning, but if he doesn't then he ends up mucking around with the ball and turning it over (which happens a lot).

Dwight needs a great unselfish PG who will look for him all the time and create offense for him. Someone who can draw both defenders when driving and will throw him lobs to finish (someone more like Chris Paul and less like Kobe because let's face it, Kobe will shoot that shit haha) and Dwight should be content with that role for what's left of his career. Karl Malone made a living doing that, so he shouldn't feel like less of a man or lose his pride in that. With the right PG and his athleticism and defensive prowess, I can see him playing like some freak of nature love child that Tyson Chandler and Blake Griffin made.

[Riq]

Originally Posted by zooopreme

Lakers need to unload and rebuild. If D'Antoni is staying, find players that adapt well to an offense that collapses to great defensive teams. The ball found no energy for the Lakers this season if it wasn't for Kobe the GOAT Bryant. So if D'Antoni stays, it would help to have low cost players that know how to create their own shots.

I wish D'Antoni would be fired. I hope Jim Buss surrenders his "basketball operations" job. And playing old men under heavy minutes will only get you swept in the first round of the playoffs. Offseason 2014 is going to be nuts though.

If Dwight resigns, I don't believe he deserves max. But the Lakers will probably give it to him. I can't see myself as a GM, relying on him to make great plays to get W's or carry a team to the finals.

And as for Pau, love that guy but the Lakers are not the right fit for him --under D'Antoni. It is likely that this was his last game in Purple and Gold. He's such a great player and his stats speak for themselves. He isn't THE guy to carry a team but he's definitely a key factor into the Lakers success. It's too bad, D'Antoni didn't realize this because it may be too late.

Originally Posted by FRpilot

Lakers HAVE TO offer him the max if they are serious about keeping him. If they don't, someone else will and he's not playing for anything less than the max even if he doesn't deserve it.

I can't see Dwight as THE GUY either, unless he somehow turns into Shaq, but after all these years he still hasn't got any type of go to offensive move or footwork down so I don't see that happening with the time he has left. I think he thinks he can score like Shaq or be even better than him, but the truth is Shaq was an automatic 2 points (or 3pt play) when you fed him the ball inside. Dwight has no moves so when he gets the ball inside he will sometimes score if he is lucky and has good positioning, but if he doesn't then he ends up mucking around with the ball and turning it over (which happens a lot).

Dwight needs a great unselfish PG who will look for him all the time and create offense for him. Someone who can draw both defenders when driving and will throw him lobs to finish (someone more like Chris Paul and less like Kobe because let's face it, Kobe will shoot that shit haha) and Dwight should be content with that role for what's left of his career. Karl Malone made a living doing that, so he shouldn't feel like less of a man or lose his pride in that. With the right PG and his athleticism and defensive prowess, I can see him playing like some freak of nature love child that Tyson Chandler and Blake Griffin made.

I agree 100%, had Dan Gilbert not opened his Pie hole Stern would have let CP3 go to L.A and life would be so much better for the Lakers right now. The problem is finding such a PG with the limited cap space. I think L.A only has the $3M mid-lvl at this point. I really hate to say this but part of me sees Jim Buss using his Amnesty on Kobe. It's a retarded move I know but I can see him doing this. This way he can show Dwight that he is the future of L.A.

[revat619]

Originally Posted by Riq

I agree 100%, had Dan Gilbert not opened his Pie hole Stern would have let CP3 go to L.A and life would be so much better for the Lakers right now. The problem is finding such a PG with the limited cap space. I think L.A only has the $3M mid-lvl at this point. I really hate to say this but part of me sees Jim Buss using his Amnesty on Kobe. It's a retarded move I know but I can see him doing this. This way he can show Dwight that he is the future of L.A.

Now, I don't like Jim Buss at all and think the guy is a COMPLETE moron, but even i would be fearful for him for the backlash and probable death threats he'd receive if he were to pull such a move. I pray he isn't THAT retarded.

[Riq]

Originally Posted by revat619

Now, I don't like Jim Buss at all and think the guy is a COMPLETE moron, but even i would be fearful for him for the backlash and probable death threats he'd receive if he were to pull such a move. I pray he isn't THAT retarded.

I agree but I wouldn't give a too much credit to a guy that picked up Mike D'antoni over Phil Jackson. He seems like the kind of guy that wants to shove his way down everyone's throat. It's like he wants to win while completely ignoring the blueprint his father set for him.

[Phlip]

Uh oh Chris Bosh just heard about Jason Collins... : Travon

And now everyone has to be looking at Jason Collins' IDENTICAL twin brother like "your turn"

[FRpilot]

Originally Posted by Riq

I agree but I wouldn't give a too much credit to a guy that picked up Mike D'antoni over Phil Jackson. He seems like the kind of guy that wants to shove his way down everyone's throat. It's like he wants to win while completely ignoring the blueprint his father set for him.

There's a lot of arrogant stubborn owners of sports teams. In basketball, we have guys like James Dolan and his prize Carmelo Anthony and Jerry Reinsdorf and how he handled the Bulls Dynasty. There’s also assholes like Donald Sterling and the Maloof brothers and your crybabies like Mark Cuban and Dan Gilbert and cheapasses like Robert Sarver.

The NBA is full of horrible owners. They make the perception of “rich people are snobby” seem true, but then again most rich guys buy sports teams only because they want to be part of an exclusive club..

[FRpilot]

Originally Posted by Phlip

Uh oh Chris Bosh just heard about Jason Collins... : Travon

And now everyone has to be looking at Jason Collins' IDENTICAL twin brother like "your turn"

I always though it’s odd that you can have 1 straight twin and 1 gay twin, but I guess not all twins have the same personalities (I know being gay is not a personality trait). I know of a person who has an ex bf who was straight and her best friend was his twin gay brother haha. I suspected the gay twin was just playing the part to get close, but idk.

Anyways, it’s been over 10 years and I’m still waiting for Richard Jefferson to finally come out. Dude has to be gay.

[zooopreme]

Originally Posted by FRpilot

Lakers HAVE TO offer him the max if they are serious about keeping him. If they don't, someone else will and he's not playing for anything less than the max even if he doesn't deserve it.

I'm aware of this but I would much rather keep Pau and find players that can guard the perimeter than to max a contract with Dwight.

Originally Posted by FRpilot

I can't see Dwight as THE GUY either, unless he somehow turns into Shaq, but after all these years he still hasn't got any type of go to offensive move or footwork down so I don't see that happening with the time he has left. I think he thinks he can score like Shaq or be even better than him, but the truth is Shaq was an automatic 2 points (or 3pt play) when you fed him the ball inside. Dwight has no moves so when he gets the ball inside he will sometimes score if he is lucky and has good positioning, but if he doesn't then he ends up mucking around with the ball and turning it over (which happens a lot).

A bit of exaggeration on your take on Shaq, haha. He didn't always score but there weren't many people that could guard him.

Pre 3-peat, Shaq was athletic enough and didn't necessarily have a full arsenal of moves like Hakeem Olajuwon. Shaq's build is not even close to what Dwight is. Think of Shaq like a giant bear. How could you stop him from getting into optimal position without fouling him? How could you keep him from getting closer to the basket without fouling him? Not many centers in the league at the time could stop him unless you were taller than him eg. Yao Ming

If Dwight were to ever catch up to Shaq in stats, he'll need to learn how to seal position better. Often times his defenders were able to push him out of position. And because of this he was quick to use his forearms which always got him the offensive foul. He got into foul trouble way too often because of this.

And about his offense, he's got just as many weapons as Shaq does. The only difference was Shaq's size and creativity. Dwight needs another lesson with Olajuwon.

Originally Posted by FRpilot

Dwight needs a great unselfish PG who will look for him all the time and create offense for him. Someone who can draw both defenders when driving and will throw him lobs to finish (someone more like Chris Paul and less like Kobe because let's face it, Kobe will shoot that shit haha) and Dwight should be content with that role for what's left of his career. Karl Malone made a living doing that, so he shouldn't feel like less of a man or lose his pride in that. With the right PG and his athleticism and defensive prowess, I can see him playing like some freak of nature love child that Tyson Chandler and Blake Griffin made.

Dwight has had these opportunities way too often; Nash, Kobe, and Pau were literally his lob partners in the P&R and in most of their screen plays. The Lakers do not need a PG per se, but rather a backcourt that can defend in general.

Chris Paul would be awesome but I don't think it's necessary to acquire a star PG that's going to draw double teams. The reason why they focused on Dwight in the Playoffs was because he was the main focal point of the offense whereas when Nash, Pau, and Kobe were on the floor with him, there were more people to score which would help spread the defense out.

Towards the latter half of the season, Kobe played the 1 position and he was nearly as effective as CP3 in my honest opinion. He created his own offense when the play collapsed, he was able to create for plenty of his teammates, and he guarded the ball handler on the other end. The only difference was the shot's taken.

I feel as thought Dwight will adjust to it as the years go by (assuming he's staying in LA). I think staying in LA will help him grow as a player/leader. Because elsewhere in the teams looking to pick up Dwight, Dwight will end up in an Orlando situation again with bad support.

[Gnnr]

Originally Posted by Phlip

Uh oh Chris Bosh just heard about Jason Collins... : Travon

And now everyone has to be looking at Jason Collins' IDENTICAL twin brother like "your turn"

ESPN is trying really hard to hype this at the 6 o'clock hour by leading with the story, but seeing how quickly they moved on to other things even they see it as a damn blip in the radar.

Really, there is no wow or shock factor here. Its an unpopular player, in a sport that it isn't that surprising its coming from. Now if a star NFL player came out that would raise more eyebrows.

But honestly, I feel America really just finds this as a common occurrence and opinions have changed over the past decade. Just look at the elections last year.

[Phlip]

As a fraternal twin, I'm told that beyond variables based from personal choices (diet/lifestyle choices), identical twins are identical and as someone who is mostly liberal, I believe that no otherwise straight person just up and CHOOSES to be ghey...
Jarron Collins has to be the most uncomfortable dude in America today

[Goofs]

Ibaka looked like he was going to cry after he missed the wide open layup to go into OT.

[revat619]

Originally Posted by Phlip

Uh oh Chris Bosh just heard about Jason Collins... : Travon

And now everyone has to be looking at Jason Collins' IDENTICAL twin brother like "your turn"

I think this whole thing is blown WAY out of propportion, quite honestly. I mean yeah i guess i applaud the guy for coming out or whatever, but sexual orientation has no bearing whatsoever on athletic performance.

I don't care what sport it is, the question about a teammate is always "can you play?" not "i wonder if he likes dudes or women?"

I think Shane Battier's comment was the best "I only want one thing out of my teammate: a commitment to winning. Whether he is straight, gay, black, white, from Earth, or from Mars is immaterial. Just help us win."

Does anybody really care what you're doing off the court, field, or track? I sure as hell dont.

[KiLLeR2001]

He could use being gay as a tactic of scaring homophobic opponents on the court. Especially if he gets a little touchy, LOL!

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by revat619

I think this whole thing is blown WAY out of propportion, quite honestly. I mean yeah i guess i applaud the guy for coming out or whatever, but sexual orientation has no bearing whatsoever on athletic performance.

I don't care what sport it is, the question about a teammate is always "can you play?" not "i wonder if he likes dudes or women?"

I think Shane Battier's comment was the best "I only want one thing out of my teammate: a commitment to winning. Whether he is straight, gay, black, white, from Earth, or from Mars is immaterial. Just help us win."

Does anybody really care what you're doing off the court, field, or track? I sure as hell dont.

Yeah, that's a good thing because he is a journeyman player who has played for 6 teams and has a career average of 3.6 points a game, lol.

Originally Posted by KiLLeR2001

He could use being gay as a tactic of scaring homophobic opponents on the court. Especially if he gets a little touchy, LOL!

He is 34, without a contract and isn't as good as this publicity is suggesting he is. I'd sooner bet that this is his last best effort to get some profit out of his NBA career when he writes a book and does the Oprah/Ellen/The View talk show circuit.



At the end of the day, the questions to ask of your NBA center are not what his sexual orientation is, but...

• Can he bang down low?
• Can he play intense D?
• Can he put it in the ball in the hole?

wait... I see what I did there

[Riq]

Holyshit, when did Keyon Dooling come back into the league? Last time I checked he was working with the Celtics in the front office or something because of his issues. Memphis got a good one. Wish he would have comeback to the Heat instead but good for him.

[FRpilot]

I ended up writing a freaking newspaper article on this so you can read it if you want. I don't care. I figure I’ll just post it since I already wrote it. NBA thread is slow anyways.

Originally Posted by zooopreme

A bit of exaggeration on your take on Shaq, haha. He didn't always score but there weren't many people that could guard him.

Pre 3-peat, Shaq was athletic enough and didn't necessarily have a full arsenal of moves like Hakeem Olajuwon. Shaq's build is not even close to what Dwight is. Think of Shaq like a giant bear. How could you stop him from getting into optimal position without fouling him? How could you keep him from getting closer to the basket without fouling him? Not many centers in the league at the time could stop him unless you were taller than him eg. Yao Ming

If Dwight were to ever catch up to Shaq in stats, he'll need to learn how to seal position better. Often times his defenders were able to push him out of position. And because of this he was quick to use his forearms which always got him the offensive foul. He got into foul trouble way too often because of this.

I’m actually not exaggerating about Shaq. I think he was really that good. The only thing that disappoints me is that he could have been better if he wasn’t lazy and worked more on his game, but he focused on his brand and got fat. The Big Fella averaged almost 30 points in his prime during the 2000 Laker’s era. By automatic, I really did mean that Shaq could score almost every time he was fed the ball inside for the reason you just described (he was just too big and strong). Even Yao, (who is like the only guy significantly taller than him) had trouble guarding him. Yao could sometimes block or alter his shot because of his length, but he wasn’t strong enough to stop him from posting up and dunking. That’s why announcers were always stating “he’s a man among boys.”

Shaq didn’t have a fancy Dream Shake or moves like Hakeem, but he had his own ways of scoring effectively. People often think of him at just brute power and dunking, but he was skilled offensively for a big man with good post up footwork and could finish around the basket with finesse if needed. I still remember all the times he would “lay” the ball in with a soft touch that would bounce or roll around the rim a few times before dropping in, bank it in, or shoot it with the baby hook. If he was posting up and you were leaning on him, he would recognize it and “pull the chair from under you” with the spin move to get around you and dunk. From anywhere around 3-5ft, Shaq was just good and always aware of where the basket was.

Yes, Shaq’s build and Dwight’s build are different (Shaq is bigger and bulkier) but Dwight is still one of the biggest and strongest dominant guys inside during this era. (Also, let’s not forget that when Shaq first came into the league Shaq was also way slimmer and had a similar body and athleticism as Dwight for a few years during his Orlando days.) Dwight needs to develop his post game and footwork so if guys push him out he could work it inside with a quick spin move or a hook shot instead of being frustrated and flailing his arms because that is exactly what I meant by “mucking around with the ball”. Right now Dwight relies too much on just his pure strength and athleticism, which is not bad because he is doing it to the tune of 20/12, but even some kind of fundamental bank shot like Tim Duncan would help him tremendously. Dwight can’t create his own offense. Shaq could or he would throw the ball back out and get it back to repost.

Originally Posted by zooopreme

And about his offense, he's got just as many weapons as Shaq does. The only difference was Shaq's size and creativity. Dwight needs another lesson with Olajuwon.

I think by “weapons”, you mean Dwight has all the physical gifts and athleticism like Shaq, but by “creativity” being the only difference, you meant all of the offensive skills that Shaq had because all of the things I stated Shaq had in his game are in fact skills and Dwight doesn’t have them. Yes, Dwight badly needs another lesson; unfortunately Olajuwon charges $100,000 for a two week lesson.

I’m not hating on Dwight and I’m not trying to take anything away from him. He has the big physical body, athleticism, and potential to be great that a lot of guys don’t have and imo he is even more athletic and better defensively than Shaq. It’s just Shaq had both a good offensive and a good defensive game to make him a complete player compared to Dwight. Right now, I would even venture to say that Bynum is better offensively than Dwight (as a lot of people believe) even though that bum is always injured and robbed his salary from the 76ers this year.

Originally Posted by zooopreme

Dwight has had these opportunities way too often; Nash, Kobe, and Pau were literally his lob partners in the P&R and in most of their screen plays. The Lakers do not need a PG per se, but rather a backcourt that can defend in general.

I’m not saying Lakers need a PG. I’m saying Dwight needs a PG in his life. Yes, the backcourt is old and slow. Who can forget that dunk party Denver had at the expense of the Lakers.

Originally Posted by zooopreme

Chris Paul would be awesome but I don't think it's necessary to acquire a star PG that's going to draw double teams. The reason why they focused on Dwight in the Playoffs was because he was the main focal point of the offense whereas when Nash, Pau, and Kobe were on the floor with him, there were more people to score which would help spread the defense out.

I was talking solely about Dwight again and a PG who can draw the double team will be great for the pick and roll with Dwight. Instead of just getting the big-small switch, Dwight could just roll to the basket unguarded if the PG demands a double team. It works great with Chandler/Paul, Chandler/Felton, Griffin/Paul, Jordan/Paul, Amare/Nash, and basically any good athletic big man who can’t create their own offense.

Originally Posted by zooopreme

Towards the latter half of the season, Kobe played the 1 position and he was nearly as effective as CP3 in my honest opinion. He created his own offense when the play collapsed, he was able to create for plenty of his teammates, and he guarded the ball handler on the other end. The only difference was the shot's taken.

Exactly. Kobe is effective because he has good handles and is great at creating his own offense. That’s why he’s such a good scorer and I expect him to be able to create for others. The difference being shots taken is why I said Dwight needs someone more like Paul who can be content scoring 15-20pts and rather set up others in the offense and less like Kobe who feels like he’s the best offensive option and should shoot it first and look for others second. Kobe can be a facilitator (which I don’t think should be his job) and was successful at it while not shooting as much, but that only lasted a handful of games until Pau and Nash went out. It doesn’t have to be CP3. It could be Rondo, Deron, Holiday, etc.. Just not someone like Westbrook or Rose.

Originally Posted by zooopreme

I feel as thought Dwight will adjust to it as the years go by (assuming he's staying in LA). I think staying in LA will help him grow as a player/leader. Because elsewhere in the teams looking to pick up Dwight, Dwight will end up in an Orlando situation again with bad support.

Like everyone else, I thought the Lakers were going to the finals this year. I thought Kobe would sacrifice a little and be a slasher/shooter and let Nash handle the ball, Dwight would be a defensive beast and Pau take care of the interior scoring and midrange, and Artest would be a lockdown perimeter defender. Unfortunately, even though this team looks fantastic on paper I don’t I think this team is a good fit for Dwight until Kobe retires and Lakers rebuild and get a PG for him. I think he’ll stay because who walks away from $30 million? In Orlando, D12 only had Jameer Nelson as a PG who is pretty shoot happy and a bunch of 3pt shooters. I think he needs to be paired with a good PG and either a good swingman or post guy to score with a bunch of role players.

[BOROSUN]

I feel like punching a baby.

[theronin]

Originally Posted by BOROSUN

I feel like punching a baby.

Knicks making history in all the wrong ways

[jamg]

rockets coming back to make history.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by FRpilot

**stuff**

I agree with you.
Shaq, offensively, was smart and his vision was amazing. He could pass out of his position as well as he could use his defender's inefficiencies to his own advantage. His footwork was proper and he - one thing that SICKENS me about Dwight - made his first move was ALWAYS to the spot that maximized his advantages and would be made without bringing the ball down to his knees where the double teamer could get a swipe at it. Dribbling in the post was a matter of necessity; as in he was 4 steps out and not 2 and he was still good with either hand up to about 10 feet actually.
Everything I just named about Shaq would make the difference between Dwight being 20/12 and Dwight being 30/15 and I am not pulling those numbers out my ass.

Originally Posted by theronin

Knicks making history in all the wrong ways

As much as the Lakers lifer in me wants the Celtics to lose, I get better jokes off on the Knickerbockers choking.

[FRpilot]

Originally Posted by Phlip

Dribbling in the post was a matter of necessity; as in he was 4 steps out and not 2 and he was still good with either hand up to about 10 feet actually.
Everything I just named about Shaq would make the difference between Dwight being 20/12 and Dwight being 30/15 and I am not pulling those numbers out my ass.

I said 3-5ft because Shaq is so big that's what the distance where he played well looked like, but because he is so big, you are probably right in that it very well could have actually been within 10ft.

Funny thing is, I believe Shaq actually did average nearly 30/15 with something crazy like 3 blocks and 4 assists during his best years. So come on Dwight, show us you're as good as the original Superman.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by FRpilot

Funny thing is, I believe Shaq actually did average nearly 30/15 with something crazy like 3 blocks and 4 assists during his best years. So come on Dwight, show us you're as good as the original Superman.

30, 13.6 and 3 blocks, with 3.8 assists to boot.
He won the MVP that year, as the hell he should have

[ManoNegra]

One thing you guys are forgetting about Shaq: his heart
He would take criticism personally and make it a point to destroy centers perceived to be 'better' than him.
There's none of that in Dwight.