New info on the GTR

[illvialuver]

i cant wait for te new gtr, and everythign i read supports that it will be around 400 hp - 500hp, but I also read that toyota/lexus is building a v8 twin turbo 2door that is rumored to be 600 hp from factory

i would still take a 300 hp gtr over a 600 hp anything .
the only thing i would take over a gtr is a r390.

[A Spec Products]

I'd rather buy a Porsche for that money.

It's "cool" they're bringing in a GTR finally, but eh, for the money I just don't see the rationale.

[0100]

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

PROTOTYPE SPOTTED IN THE US!!

Nice find!! Nissan better be smart with pricing this car.

[OptionZero]

It's pretty certain to be around $70-80 grand + dealer raping to push it even closer to six figures.

[Yuri]

I really hope they sell.
It's a small market they are targeting.
As well known as the GTR is, the clientele that will be able to afford it probably won't be as exposed to the car as us.
I could be wrong though, Aston Martin has stated Gran Turismo as being a huge help in exposing their brand to the US Market, so it sounds like there could be potential.

As for me, I'm going to sell my Evo, and start looking at pre-owned Jaguar XK-R's. semiexotica is where it's at.

[yokotas13]

i couldnt agree with you more on that Yuri.

I love the Jag styling myself
Its gonna be funny, they are gonna release it in japan for like 50,000
in the states it will be 110,000

its that initial d tax

[cnile51]

spotted in santa fe new mexico:

[woodchuck]

Originally Posted by Yuri

I really hope they sell.
It's a small market they are targeting.
As well known as the GTR is, the clientele that will be able to afford it probably won't be as exposed to the car as us......

That is the muthafuckin truth right there. look at what big wig executives roll in - high end euro sedans and sportscars. its all about status symbol for them.
if you make 6 figures and you drive a nissan you'd get laughed at by your peers who rock s-classes, 6(or 7) series and porches.
quite frankly i think highend euroshit is overrated and i would take the gtr if i made the warbucks like they do.

the marketing team at nissan has an impossible task to push the gtr to the people who can afford it. Nissan needs to find a way to pull people away from bmw 6 series, porches, corvettes, vipers, etc...

[WILDACEX187]

wasnt the r34 gtr something like 60k in japan though? 70-80k isnt that bad when u take account inflation and the fact that its gonna perform better

[OptionZero]

This GT-R will not be mass produced and will experience severe dealer mark-up that the older ones did not have.

And wasn't the R34 closer to 50k?

[0100]

Originally Posted by WILDACEX187

wasnt the r34 gtr something like 60k in japan though? 70-80k isnt that bad when u take account inflation and the fact that its gonna perform better

70-80k is bad when you look at what you can get a used c6 ZO6 for. Even a new c6 ZO6 can be had under MRSP with a great finance rate all day long. I really think they need to price it just under a ZO6 if they want this to really sell. Especially if the ZO6 outperforms the GTR which so far it has on the ring.

Once the car get's up in the 80-90k range it doesn't matter anymore. People who have that money have enough to get a $120k car and I would much rather have a 911 AWD Turbo or GT3 if I had the means.

I agree nissan is going to have a tuff sell. They should have scaled back the car to make it cheaper to build and sell. People could still mod it later for better performance.

[OptionZero]

Speculation:
The higher price is a reflection of Nissan outsourcing (at least some of) the engine design to Cosworth and suspension tuning to Lotus. Help can't come cheap from names like that, right?

[EchoOfSilence]

I'd rather buy an exige lol

EDIT: ok i'll take that back
EDIT v.2: WTF? i'm no longer blue!?

[harlockssx]

The guy who took that picture is on a local forum I'm on a lot Racing Southwest (RSW). The Nissan employees he spoke with said the US version wasn't going to be the same as the Japanese twin turbo version, which is pretty similar to what Nissan was saying a year ago...that the Infiniti would be getting a VQ37 turbo, not as powerful as the Nissan Skyline GTR...it sounds like we're once again only getting the tablescraps from Japan's performance market...Hopefully, that's not the case!

[WILDACEX187]

i highly doubt that it will not have the twin turbo version. HIGHLY DOUBT. v8 is just not an option after spending all that money and time with cosworth to develop the new engine. nobody will buy it knowing this.

[woodchuck]

Originally Posted by harlockssx

...that the Infiniti would be getting a VQ37 turbo, not as powerful as the Nissan Skyline GTR...it sounds like we're once again only getting the tablescraps from Japan's performance market...Hopefully, that's not the case!

I think the US is lucky that it even got the g35 - the first US "skyline". Bring on the table scraps. Besides, there are going to be a ton tuners and aftermarket parts for it when it gets popular in the US.

[irax]

yeah, tablescraps, pffft VQ37HRTT is a very fucking stout engine, just because its not what japan has, does not mean its not going to be good.
(that statment is only true for VQ37HRTT powerd GT-R) the technology behind it is beyond remarkable. 3.7 ltr with VVT, modular block, dual (individual mostlikely) throttle bodies. It would be soo easy to get 130whp per ltr out of that. Too bad stock is going to be like 90whp per ltr.

too bad i hate the style, and have no where near the money for it.

[CKAMC]

US gets the short end of the stick because...

the big three are crying for the market playing field to be pulled down to there level or give them some handy caps

and the fact that nissan here in the states is known for good bang to buck ratio... need to keep up the image

but just another 6 months or so and we should know the final outcome very soon. or a engine shot from a spy will do the trick.

[drift freaq]

Ok, first off guys the waiting list for the GTR is already filled. I.E first year production run is pretty much called for already. Why do I know this? I have a friend who got on the list. Second off anyone who believes what the guys testing a prototype in New Mexico has to say is on crack. They are going to make a lot of speculative remarks and the Japanese guys do not want to think the export version will be as nice. From what I have heard the engine is so open to tuning its not funny. The base HP figures they are announcing for the car are pretty much that. BASE HP! That engine is probably out of the box gonna be a easy tune to 500-600hp.
The car already has enough of a mystique to sell. I had a friend ask me about it this morning that used to be in the Japanese engine and trans business. He now owns a real estate mortgage company. He would buy one.
It will sell.

[SimpleS14]

According to the rumormill....there are six protoypes running around.

Originally Posted by harlockssx

The guy who took that picture is on a local forum I'm on a lot Racing Southwest (RSW). The Nissan employees he spoke with said the US version wasn't going to be the same as the Japanese twin turbo version...Hopefully, that's not the case!

Maybe the guy was saying the U.S. wouldn't get it just as a cover up? Do you think he would really want to give out secrets about the car that has been developed under a great amount of secrecy?


ANOTHER PROTOTYPE SPOTTED IN CALI!!!!.....
http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/upload/69...tml#post622373

[Full-Lock]

[SimpleS14]

SPY VIDEO!!!!!

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...cleId=119564#6

Looks nice in motion.....

[fromxtor]

Here's some new R&T info on it:


Today I thumbed through this mont's R&T. Anyways it has the '08 GTR on the front in orange. There was a small article on it, said nissan was planning on letting it out end of this year, they had confirmed the new GTR emblem and the powerplant Vq37dett which will also be offered in a detuned version in the G35 coupe. 6 speed getrag box and a bunch of other goodies.

Photos of a masked Nissan GT-R lapping the Nürburgring last fall received more hits on the Internet than Miss USA did after a night out on the town. The reason: Despite its expected price tag of about $70,000, the GT-R will be the most alluring Japanese sports machine to come our way since the Acura NSX in the mid-1990s. Previously sold only in Japan, the GT-R (Skyline GT-R as it was formerly known) has been an icon to boy racers and aftermarket tuners alike since the R32 appeared in 1989. The upcoming version, which will hit dealer showrooms in late 2007 or early 2008, will be the first model marketed worldwide, thus the first official version available in the U.S. Nissan has remained mum regarding this sixth-generation model, but we have discovered some interesting new tidbits about the car.

Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn confirmed that the GT-R will be built in Japan. The chassis will be assembled in the company's Tochigi factory while the powerplant will be produced at its Yokohama engine plant. The official logo for the car has also been released. As for the performance of the GT machine, here's what we know so far.

Power will come from a 3.7-liter version of Nissan's VQ powerplant. A pair of turbochargers will help it produce about 450 bhp and 360 lb.-ft. of torque. Because longtime fans of the GT-R are accustomed to more output via aftermarket tuning, Nissan has seemingly left some room on the table for buyers wanting to increase the power of their GT-Rs.

Stock boost pressure will be limited to about 10 psi, but we hear that the engine is capable of handling a lot more. A tamer version of this V-6, codenamed VQ37HR-TT, will make its way into the upcoming Infiniti G35 Coupe. Key differences between the engines are that the GT-R's VQ will have the twin turbo­chargers, lighter pistons and connecting rods, as well as a beefed-up crankshaft. Other custom parts may make their way into the engine, including racing profile camshafts and new valvetrain. It will come mated to a Getrag 6-speed transmission or a paddle-shift sequential automatic with seven or eight gears.

The GT-R will have awesome stopping power, especially if it wears the same brakes spotted during testing at the Ring. Gold-colored Brembo calipers sparkled in the sun as the GT-R attacked the famed Nordschleife. Upon closer inspection, the fronts appeared to be 6-pot calipers. As for the car's handling, we're pretty sure that it will be all-wheel drive, with a new version of Nissan's ATTESA system. For the record, the car had little trouble negotiating the Carousel at more than 110 mph. Its lap times were reported to be around 8 minutes flat, quite impressive for a test mule on a somewhat crowded track. Could it match or eclipse the Porsche 911 Turbo's time in the 7-minute-40-second range in an all-out effort? The answer awaits us in just a few months. — SM

[Yuri]

hmm, sounds like the G35 could be the new skyline GTS.
An FR G35 with that motor, and a lower price tag than the GTR just may be the ticket.
But the Kabura MX4 is still appealing, especially a turbocharged Mazdaspeed variant.

It looks like we're entering a new sportscar renissance, much like we did back in the early 90's. We have Evo's, STi's, a new Supra, the Kabura, the GTR, the Z, and the Solstice/Sky, among others.
I just hope the automakers can learn from the mistakes they made back then that combined with the rise of SUV's killed off the sports car in the US for a while.
We saw the 240SX, 300ZX, RX7, Supra, and 3000GT all fall due to being packed with technology and being priced out of their market.
I see this trend starting to rear it's ugly head again, with only the Kabura and GM roadsters appearing to remain at an affodable level for the average enthusiast, with the prices on Evos and others rising as the years go on. Hopefully this new generation oof sports cars won't relive the mistakes their forefathers had.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by Yuri

hmm, sounds like the G35 could be the new skyline GTS.
An FR G35 with that motor, and a lower price tag than the GTR just may be the ticket.
But the Kabura MX4 is still appealing, especially a turbocharged Mazdaspeed varient.

Yuri the G35 coupe is a Skyline GTS, in Japan already. Has been the whole time its been here.

As for your comment about the pricing on sports cars goes, now is a different time than the early 90's.
In the early 90's the American buying public was not prepared to spend 30-40k on a Japanese Sports car or Luxury car. Today the spend 30-40k on a Japanese sports car without blinking an eye and more on Japanese luxury cars. The market is ready for the upper line stuff. Remember we have the 350z and its topping out at around 35k and can be had new for as little as 26k. The GTR is a whole different catagory and will be a limited production run to start. It will sell. EVO's and STI's are not true sports cars anways they are glorified econobox's that have been turned into Pro Rally cars. They are Sports Sedans!! A sporty car but not a true Sports car. Supra and Kabura look like the will be the real deal but until both companies officially put them on table, its like talking about another Silvia.
Solstice/Sky are just a classic example of how while GM makes the Corvette and does it pretty close to right they screw up in the smaller roadster class and make a big ugly little piece of shit. aka solstice/sky.

[exitspeed]

^
Wow you actually think the Solstice and Sky are ugly? Yea they are little heavy and can't compete in the twisties with MX-5 , but their cheaper, less common, and 10x better looking. And the MX-5 doesn't offer anything like the Redline or the GXP. The MX-5 cannot compete with either of those versions.

The int of both are major suckage, but the over-all package more then makes up for it IMO. A 260hp, RWD, vert at $30 is a basement bargin.

[OptionZero]

Yeah, the Solstice/Sky actually look pretty good. Hell, they look better than the new Miata or anything from Toyota, certainly better than any current Nissan bar the GT-R.

[TiNMAN]

Tundra, Tundra, Tundra.

annnnnnnd...

Titan, Titan, Titan.

[0100]

Solstice/Sky FTMFW!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw6zz...elated&search=

^Set of $5k motons and drop it 2 inches and I would take that over the GTR.

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Yuri the G35 coupe is a Skyline GTS, in Japan already. Has been the whole time its been here.

Yep, I know. But it really hasn't had the flavor of the R34 GTS, whereas a turbo version would have more of a sports car spirit.

Check out the Dodge Demon! There is yet another contender coming to the sportscar wars!