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Old 08-13-2007, 12:23 AM   #1
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so if im gettin this right... an LS1 is the best V8 swap because it is easy,cheap, and it is well established as a swap.....and the Vk is also good... but since there is so much work that needs to be done it makes it not so good....?
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^^^ The LSx community sees mods a little different than we do - to them, just having "a cam" means you have stock heads and stock internals. What that still allows for is valves/springs/pushrods/porting/headers/exhaust/tuning.

I've personally seen an automatic, convertible Firebird (think 3800lbs with driver) lift the front wheels coming off the line (he was running MT 10" slicks on the back) and turn a high 10sec 1/4 - with "just a cam". He estimated 600whp - and about $2000 in aftermarket mods. That's called bang for your buck kids.
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^^^ people keep saying "keep it in the family" like the fact that the VH's are Nissans makes them any easier to swap ~ the VH swap is harder than the LSx swap, morons.
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^^^ people keep saying "keep it in the family" like the fact that the VH's are Nissans makes them any easier to swap ~ the VH swap is harder than the LSx swap, morons.
no one said anything about it being easier.by me saying keep it in the family i mean dont go and ruin your 240 by swaping a american v8.No offense to u ls guys out there i just feel that swapping american 2 japanese isn't cool.

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Old 08-13-2007, 06:15 AM   #5
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was ther not a man named shelby that put a big v8 in too a little car an made a icon car for all of us hot rod guys ?
who cares what your weapon of choice is as long as its fast an gets the job done .
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was ther not a man named shelby that put a big v8 in too a little car an made a icon car for all of us hot rod guys ?
who cares what your weapon of choice is as long as its fast an gets the job done .
sure the car was built around the fucking engine like ive been saying.

they eventually had teams of engineers working on the design flaws.

The kit cars are just scale replicas of the same engineering defaults.
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wow. dude im done. you just told me how we are different. that means nothing to me. the ca18 swap is not creative but getting it to reach my goals with limited support? you gotta get creative. you misunderstood me.

and yes the CA18 is in an usdm motor also, just in non turbo form. you can get parts at your local dealer, you just say you cant.

also the 2 or 3 inches, was 2 or 3 inches more.. you made it sound like i said 2 oe 3 inches more than other engines.

oh well im done arguing. i told you what i thought and how i felt and you told me what you thought. yay...
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just buy a car taht was built around the V8 by a team of engineers

There is absolutley nothing wrong with that, in fact Ill probably own something like a new GTO for funs sake in the future.

Will I keep my s13? probably for a while, its my preferrence, the way the car handles and balances with the SR is the way

I prefer the s13 to drive. Ive driven RB cars around tracks and SR, and prefer the SR hands down in the S-chasis. V8? No not really.

I dont understand the logic though.

Drive a muscle car.

Even if you do a V8 your not going to be different.

Nothing , NOTHING is different anymore.
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screw it all and get a merlin drag motor! :P 1700 HP big block. XD
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I went out of the relm of nissan, but even so mine fit pretty well. I got a JTR conversion kit, and it was really pretty painless, unlike the scarab setups back in the day this kit set the motor back to about an inch away from the firewall, and right now if I moved my battery to the back I'ld have a 50/50 weight ratio. By the way how heavy is a Titan motor? the TPI was only a 100lbs heavier, which didn't screw with the handling of the car too much, but that is somthing to think about, right now it's stock motor, I really want an LS1, but probably keep this setup for a while...and already have a twin turbo setup in the works. Best of luck!
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I went out of the relm of nissan, but even so mine fit pretty well. I got a JTR conversion kit, and it was really pretty painless, unlike the scarab setups back in the day this kit set the motor back to about an inch away from the firewall, and right now if I moved my battery to the back I'ld have a 50/50 weight ratio. By the way how heavy is a Titan motor? the TPI was only a 100lbs heavier, which didn't screw with the handling of the car too much, but that is somthing to think about, right now it's stock motor, I really want an LS1, but probably keep this setup for a while...and already have a twin turbo setup in the works. Best of luck!
They are talking about V8 swaps in 240sx's i.e. S13 and S14 not V8 swaps in 240,260 and 280Z's. Fact is the the V8 swap into the S30 Z chassis is a very simple swap.

The LS1 is a bad ass engine if you can do a smog legal swap of one into the S chassis without super crazy mods i.e. crossmember modification, firewall modification and you can keep your costs in the 5k range for engine and install its well worth it . If its going to cost you over 10k,(without chassis costs) at this time it becomes a cost ineffective swap in my opinion.

What most of those whole discussion has avoided or missed in part is the cost effectiveness.
At what point do you look at the swap add up the costs and pretty much say i am losing my ass on this. Ya , I know all you purists are going to come out of the woodwork saying cost is not an issue! Its originality or dopeness, blah blah blah. Fact is there is a point of diminishing returns. I look at the swap of anything into our cars from the factor of how much it would cost to do the actual swap. I.E. purchase of engine and or install kit and or fab or install itself.
Now, if you can do a LS1 install smog legal and the costs of what I stated above in the 5-6k range and not have to make mad ass chassis mods to make it work, you have the ideal swap.
If you do not have to worry about smog you should not even be having to think about a LS1 swap. Stick a S14-s15SR in or a RB in and call it day.
LS1 swaps and VQ swaps are for people who are concerned about smog legality and having legal HP, in my opinion.
To the question of a LS1 being smog legal in a S chassis it can be as long as you swap in all OBDII stuff that comes with the engine and ref it. The car will then be a OBDII legal test.
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ah, makes more sence, all I saw was 240, I forgot I was on the SX site sorry. In that case, what would that do to the handling of the car?
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ah, makes more sence, all I saw was 240, I forgot I was on the SX site sorry. In that case, what would that do to the handling of the car?
Well if its a LS1 it should not effect handling much if at all. The LS1 is a light engine. The majority of the added weight would be in the transmission and considering the fact that its sitting close to midship, should not have consequences.
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that things friken huge...
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my dad has a titan and its bad ass, sounds really clean 2, that would be a sick ass swap in a 240
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The LSx series motor, dessed, plus transmission is around (over) 600lbs. Its not Lighter than the stock Drivetrain, or An SR20 swap, and its also very exspensive.
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the VH is a high revving engine. well to me 7500rpm is high. then you have problems with valve float. h22 springs will work and reduced valve float. the vh is EXTREMELY reinforced. its the reason the use it in freakin f1 cars. its the grand daddy of all nissan race motors. just thought youd may like to know that.
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http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2930
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I usually agree with you, but this time your wrong. Above are the said wieghts for those motors.

Again, the LSX swap is for rabid fanboys who think its the cool thing to do, just like drifting. I think its a Shit motor, and a Shit swap, but thats just me.

And how much do you think it will run you for a VQ swap compared to an lSx Swap?

VQ motors starting on ebay at $255. Yes, $255.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2005-...QQcmdZViewItem

Transmision: $300 yes, $300
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/03-04...QQcmdZViewItem

And the hardware for the swap $900
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VQ35D...QQcmdZViewItem

LS1 and trans: Over $2500

And LSx Hardware: Over $1700
http://www.hinsonsupercars.com/parts...gEquipment.htm

VQ and Stock engines > LSx swaps.
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Again, the LSX swap is for rabid fanboys who think its the cool thing to do, just like drifting. I think its a Shit motor, and a Shit swap, but thats just me.

(eBay links)

VQ and Stock engines > LSx swaps.

Wow how bout we keep opinions to a minimum and keep facts to a maximum.

Question 1)
Why is LSx a fanboy engine?

Question 2)
If LSx is a fanboy engine, why are there so many fans of said engine?

Question 3)
If one suggests an engine (VQ) over another engine (LSx), doesn't that person become a fan of the suggested engine?

Conclusion:
So if you are a fan of the VQ, and you are arguing over a fan of the LSx, you will get nowhere since all you have is opinions.

Here just for good measure:
VQ swaps are for fanboys (like Iceman00) who thinks its cool to drag race.
I think its a Shit motor and a Shit swap, but thats just me.

LSx and stock engines > VQ swaps.

What I just said, doesn't fucking matter. Just like eBay links.
(If you don't understand that then let me explain, eBay is where you sell stuff for how much you think [your opinion] your item will sell for, not the factual price of said item. Opinions aren't worth shit.)
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thats why wieght is a silly issue.. granted its heavier than the KA, you wont notice a difference.
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was ther not a man named shelby that put a big v8 in too a little car an made a icon car for all of us hot rod guys ?
who cares what your weapon of choice is as long as its fast an gets the job done .
Shelby, Lister, Earl, Iacocca...all put big brawny v8's in little cars and created the roots of todays hot rods.

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The LSx series motor, dessed, plus transmission is around (over) 600lbs. Its not Lighter than the stock Drivetrain, or An SR20 swap, and its also very exspensive.
You can get a LS1+T56 used for as much as you can get an sr20 swap from some higher end shops.

http://www.smokemup.com/tech/ls1.php


So maybe I was wrong about the LSx being lighter...but christ you have a 5.7 litre V8 weighing what, 30 lbs more than a 2.4 or 2.0 four cylinder? Please. Torque at idle> 30 lbs.

PS: Call up GM and ask what their crate lS1 comes with...yep everything, to include altenator, PS, and etc hanging off of it. 390 for a full dresser all aluminum v8. I would assume it weighs 460ish with a 4l60e and 500 with T56.

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around the same weight at 330lbs. The LSX series motors Will weigh in at 450lbs or more.
An sr20/vq probably weigh that as a long block alone, with nothing in it. 450 lbs is what an LSx would weigh with an automatic hanging off the back of it.

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the flywheel. No Joke.) And You have a combo that is over 600lbs Easy.
An all Iron Small Block Chevy or Ford weigh in a 450 lbs. Big blocks over 550...

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The LSx is an overrated motor. Quit being fanboys about a Shitty cam in block low revving crapbox.
Three questions:
1. Ever been in one stock?
2. Ever been in one with a cam swap (and bolt ons?)
3. You realize that with rod bolts they can spin to 8000 rpm all day long.


Sorry, fanboy is an SR20 engine. A car enthusiast would take a v8 with a powerband anyday over strung out 2.0 turbo engine.

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Shitty cam in block low revving engine? Wow those are some harsh words. I'd say you've tried to race a few and are a little sore about the outcome...
A 400whp LSx s13 or s14 would ass rape most 500 hp ones...

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the VH is a high revving engine. well to me 7500rpm is high.
It's not that high anymore...

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freakin f1 cars. its the grand daddy of all nissan race motors. just thought youd may like to know that.
I thought that was the VK45 that they used as a 'base' for the indy leauge engines....and lets be serious, ther eisn't a damn thing on that IRL engine that we'll ever have on a junkyard 4.5


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Have you ever driven car with an LSx motor? Do you know how much HP they can put out with a few bolt ons? Can you compare dyno sheets v8 vs SR vs KA and understand the differences? Do you know what a t56 transmission mated with a r200 with a 4.08 gear ratio does to acceleration? Do you know that suspension tuning can alleviate handling issues? If any of your answers are no then you better do some research.
Those who've not ever been in beastly v8's will always hate on them...I learned a long long long time ago to appreciated overall package cars, and not be loyal to ignornace.

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200lbs heavier than a VQ swap, countless dollars more expensive, and the LS1 motor is overrated by fan boys.
It's not 200 lbs more. Ya know what, I have a VQ30 in a maxima with an automatic at the shop...maybe I'll weigh it, and then weigh my buddies ls2 and see what the differenece really is.

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In truth, and as anyone can tell you, no matter how much tuning you do, you can't tune the feel of 200lb of mass in your front end out. Don't kid yourself you idiot.
I'd love some front end weight to keep my car from pushing on track...

PS: 200 lbs where?

I have no clue who you are, but seriously bud, you need to do a tad more research into the LSx engine before making claims without any support.

Again, not to toot my own horn, but Im' confident my s14 is one of the most complete cars on this forum in terms of all over performance...and I'd gladly take a LS1 anyday of the week over what I have. I'd not know what to do with 40 more hp and 70 more ft lbs all over!

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thats why wieght is a silly issue.. granted its heavier than the KA, you wont notice a difference.
It's like when kids delete AC or PS from a turbo car...really who cares? lol. That turbo won't notice any difference at all.
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Sorry, fanboy is an SR20 engine
finally, someone says it..ive already gotten enough neg rep for one thread so i kept my mouth shut haha..nice one ace.

and ace, the vk45 and the vh just had different heads, vk being better but the vhr35? cant remember the name was based off the platform that the vk and the vh shared. shit its hard to explain, time for more research..got me thinking.

this thread makes me want to hunt down a cheap neglected ls1 and have fun with it. ive got a healthy coupe shell sitting around...

haha looks similar enough for me...


should shed some light also..although there were vk's in q's also but like i said..


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The VRH35Z is a 3.5 liter racing variant of the VH V8 engine. The R comes from the fact that the block is made from magnesium and is custom made for racing. The VRH35Z was originally used in Nissan Group C race cars. Later on, the engine was revived with modifications as the VRH35L, now with an aluminum block, for the R390GT1 GT1 supercar.

The VRH35Z produces 800 ps @7600 rpm and weighs 408 lbs (185 Kg).

The VRH35L produces 650 ps @6800 rpm and weighs 375 lbs 170 Kg.
so basically is a destroked magnesium VH45 engine..
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This thread makes me question where all the hate on the internet comes from.

I think it sounds cool as hell. I'd do it. I'd build it.
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http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=105615&page=5

These guys were paying over 4500 for the motor and trans alone, and another 7K in install and parts. This swap is a pipe dream.
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oh god..here we go again.
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oh god..here we go again.
If you have nothing to add, go bitch some place else. I'm trying to make this informative.
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you are informing everyone that you would chose the VQ swap over LS1 because its cheaper? how is that informative? you showed a bunch of ebay auctions. now thats solid information for ya.
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The OP asked about a Titian V8 into a 240sx and I think it's been answer on page 1. I don't know why you are trying to justify a VQ35 swap over a LSx. Whatever swap you want/need, it's going to take money. I give prop to all the people who wants to be different. I've was fortunate enough to ride in a SR and LS1 240sx. Both owner are very happy with their choice of engine.

As far as you choice of ebay auctions, they don't tell half the story. You show an auction that not ended. We all know that the majority of the bidding is near the end, so your price of $255 is not realistic. I could have easily show you a LS1 engine for under $255 with 5 days till ending. That's not realistic either.

If VQ swap is your thing, more power to you. I wouldn't mind having either engine to replace my SOHC KA. Either way, good luck.
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