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so if im gettin this right... an LS1 is the best V8 swap because it is easy,cheap, and it is well established as a swap.....and the Vk is also good... but since there is so much work that needs to be done it makes it not so good....?
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^^^ The LSx community sees mods a little different than we do - to them, just having "a cam" means you have stock heads and stock internals. What that still allows for is valves/springs/pushrods/porting/headers/exhaust/tuning.
I've personally seen an automatic, convertible Firebird (think 3800lbs with driver) lift the front wheels coming off the line (he was running MT 10" slicks on the back) and turn a high 10sec 1/4 - with "just a cam". He estimated 600whp - and about $2000 in aftermarket mods. That's called bang for your buck kids.
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^^^ people keep saying "keep it in the family" like the fact that the VH's are Nissans makes them any easier to swap ~ the VH swap is harder than the LSx swap, morons.
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no one said anything about it being easier.by me saying keep it in the family i mean dont go and ruin your 240 by swaping a american v8.No offense to u ls guys out there i just feel that swapping american 2 japanese isn't cool.
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was ther not a man named shelby that put a big v8 in too a little car an made a icon car for all of us hot rod guys ?
who cares what your weapon of choice is as long as its fast an gets the job done .
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they eventually had teams of engineers working on the design flaws. The kit cars are just scale replicas of the same engineering defaults.
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wow. dude im done. you just told me how we are different. that means nothing to me. the ca18 swap is not creative but getting it to reach my goals with limited support? you gotta get creative. you misunderstood me.
and yes the CA18 is in an usdm motor also, just in non turbo form. you can get parts at your local dealer, you just say you cant. also the 2 or 3 inches, was 2 or 3 inches more.. you made it sound like i said 2 oe 3 inches more than other engines. oh well im done arguing. i told you what i thought and how i felt and you told me what you thought. yay... |
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just buy a car taht was built around the V8 by a team of engineers
There is absolutley nothing wrong with that, in fact Ill probably own something like a new GTO for funs sake in the future. Will I keep my s13? probably for a while, its my preferrence, the way the car handles and balances with the SR is the way I prefer the s13 to drive. Ive driven RB cars around tracks and SR, and prefer the SR hands down in the S-chasis. V8? No not really. I dont understand the logic though. Drive a muscle car. Even if you do a V8 your not going to be different. Nothing , NOTHING is different anymore.
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I went out of the relm of nissan, but even so mine fit pretty well. I got a JTR conversion kit, and it was really pretty painless, unlike the scarab setups back in the day this kit set the motor back to about an inch away from the firewall, and right now if I moved my battery to the back I'ld have a 50/50 weight ratio. By the way how heavy is a Titan motor? the TPI was only a 100lbs heavier, which didn't screw with the handling of the car too much, but that is somthing to think about, right now it's stock motor, I really want an LS1, but probably keep this setup for a while...and already have a twin turbo setup in the works. Best of luck!
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The LS1 is a bad ass engine if you can do a smog legal swap of one into the S chassis without super crazy mods i.e. crossmember modification, firewall modification and you can keep your costs in the 5k range for engine and install its well worth it . If its going to cost you over 10k,(without chassis costs) at this time it becomes a cost ineffective swap in my opinion. What most of those whole discussion has avoided or missed in part is the cost effectiveness. At what point do you look at the swap add up the costs and pretty much say i am losing my ass on this. Ya , I know all you purists are going to come out of the woodwork saying cost is not an issue! Its originality or dopeness, blah blah blah. Fact is there is a point of diminishing returns. I look at the swap of anything into our cars from the factor of how much it would cost to do the actual swap. I.E. purchase of engine and or install kit and or fab or install itself. Now, if you can do a LS1 install smog legal and the costs of what I stated above in the 5-6k range and not have to make mad ass chassis mods to make it work, you have the ideal swap. If you do not have to worry about smog you should not even be having to think about a LS1 swap. Stick a S14-s15SR in or a RB in and call it day. LS1 swaps and VQ swaps are for people who are concerned about smog legality and having legal HP, in my opinion. To the question of a LS1 being smog legal in a S chassis it can be as long as you swap in all OBDII stuff that comes with the engine and ref it. The car will then be a OBDII legal test.
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Well if its a LS1 it should not effect handling much if at all. The LS1 is a light engine. The majority of the added weight would be in the transmission and considering the fact that its sitting close to midship, should not have consequences.
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that things friken huge...
lol my dad has a titan and its bad ass, sounds really clean 2, that would be a sick ass swap in a 240
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The VH45DE in this car has 227,000 miles, just thought that was impressive in of itself, lol
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The LSx series motor, dessed, plus transmission is around (over) 600lbs. Its not Lighter than the stock Drivetrain, or An SR20 swap, and its also very exspensive.
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the VH is a high revving engine. well to me 7500rpm is high. then you have problems with valve float. h22 springs will work and reduced valve float. the vh is EXTREMELY reinforced. its the reason the use it in freakin f1 cars. its the grand daddy of all nissan race motors. just thought youd may like to know that.
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Just incase anyone wants to look dumb, I'll save you the trouble.
http://www.engineswaptech.com/forums/thread/1186.aspx http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2930
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I usually agree with you, but this time your wrong. Above are the said wieghts for those motors. Again, the LSX swap is for rabid fanboys who think its the cool thing to do, just like drifting. I think its a Shit motor, and a Shit swap, but thats just me. And how much do you think it will run you for a VQ swap compared to an lSx Swap? VQ motors starting on ebay at $255. Yes, $255. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2005-...QQcmdZViewItem Transmision: $300 yes, $300 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/03-04...QQcmdZViewItem And the hardware for the swap $900 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VQ35D...QQcmdZViewItem LS1 and trans: Over $2500 And LSx Hardware: Over $1700 http://www.hinsonsupercars.com/parts...gEquipment.htm VQ and Stock engines > LSx swaps.
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Wow how bout we keep opinions to a minimum and keep facts to a maximum. Question 1) Why is LSx a fanboy engine? Question 2) If LSx is a fanboy engine, why are there so many fans of said engine? Question 3) If one suggests an engine (VQ) over another engine (LSx), doesn't that person become a fan of the suggested engine? Conclusion: So if you are a fan of the VQ, and you are arguing over a fan of the LSx, you will get nowhere since all you have is opinions. Here just for good measure: VQ swaps are for fanboys (like Iceman00) who thinks its cool to drag race. I think its a Shit motor and a Shit swap, but thats just me. LSx and stock engines > VQ swaps. What I just said, doesn't fucking matter. Just like eBay links. (If you don't understand that then let me explain, eBay is where you sell stuff for how much you think [your opinion] your item will sell for, not the factual price of said item. Opinions aren't worth shit.)
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http://www.smokemup.com/tech/ls1.php So maybe I was wrong about the LSx being lighter...but christ you have a 5.7 litre V8 weighing what, 30 lbs more than a 2.4 or 2.0 four cylinder? Please. Torque at idle> 30 lbs. PS: Call up GM and ask what their crate lS1 comes with...yep everything, to include altenator, PS, and etc hanging off of it. 390 for a full dresser all aluminum v8. I would assume it weighs 460ish with a 4l60e and 500 with T56. Quote:
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1. Ever been in one stock? 2. Ever been in one with a cam swap (and bolt ons?) 3. You realize that with rod bolts they can spin to 8000 rpm all day long. Sorry, fanboy is an SR20 engine. A car enthusiast would take a v8 with a powerband anyday over strung out 2.0 turbo engine. Quote:
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PS: 200 lbs where? I have no clue who you are, but seriously bud, you need to do a tad more research into the LSx engine before making claims without any support. Again, not to toot my own horn, but Im' confident my s14 is one of the most complete cars on this forum in terms of all over performance...and I'd gladly take a LS1 anyday of the week over what I have. I'd not know what to do with 40 more hp and 70 more ft lbs all over! It's like when kids delete AC or PS from a turbo car...really who cares? lol. That turbo won't notice any difference at all.
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and ace, the vk45 and the vh just had different heads, vk being better but the vhr35? cant remember the name was based off the platform that the vk and the vh shared. shit its hard to explain, time for more research..got me thinking. this thread makes me want to hunt down a cheap neglected ls1 and have fun with it. ive got a healthy coupe shell sitting around... haha looks similar enough for me... ![]() should shed some light also..although there were vk's in q's also but like i said.. ![]() Quote:
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This thread makes me question where all the hate on the internet comes from.
I think it sounds cool as hell. I'd do it. I'd build it.
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http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=105615&page=5
These guys were paying over 4500 for the motor and trans alone, and another 7K in install and parts. This swap is a pipe dream.
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If you have nothing to add, go bitch some place else. I'm trying to make this informative.
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you are informing everyone that you would chose the VQ swap over LS1 because its cheaper? how is that informative? you showed a bunch of ebay auctions. now thats solid information for ya.
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The OP asked about a Titian V8 into a 240sx and I think it's been answer on page 1. I don't know why you are trying to justify a VQ35 swap over a LSx. Whatever swap you want/need, it's going to take money. I give prop to all the people who wants to be different. I've was fortunate enough to ride in a SR and LS1 240sx. Both owner are very happy with their choice of engine.
As far as you choice of ebay auctions, they don't tell half the story. You show an auction that not ended. We all know that the majority of the bidding is near the end, so your price of $255 is not realistic. I could have easily show you a LS1 engine for under $255 with 5 days till ending. That's not realistic either. If VQ swap is your thing, more power to you. I wouldn't mind having either engine to replace my SOHC KA. Either way, good luck. ![]() |
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