The Future Automotive Thread

[Dutchmalmiss]

With the chassis dimension comparisons, I'm gonna bet that Nissan is gonna be on Subaru's shitlist just like Porsche. I can feel it.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

HAHAHHAHAH!!! IM THE FIRST ONE TO GET THIS UP!!!!






MAN...im good...who predicted that it would use an MR or HR variant engine??? (the answer is ME damn it) but im still gonna bet that they increase it to a 2 litre when its officially announced in 2009 (either at detroit auto show or LA auto show)

Please Nissan, PLEASE let us know at Detroit!

[slidingsky]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Please Nissan, PLEASE let us know at Detroit!

Seriously.

[OptionZero]

1.6L Turbo instead of a small v6? Curious decision. Is the VQ really that bigger (physical dimensions) or heavier than the HR series?

Is a 1.6L turbo inherently more fuel efficient than a small (2.4L) vq?

I hope they don't make it TOO much like the V36 coupe...that things lines are flawed.

[dorkidori_s13]

nissan will let you guys know if you buy a ton of my hoodies that are available thru the link in my sig!!!

lol...i kid i kid

but yah...im still holding to my idea of 2007 being the year of the GTR, 2008 being the year of the 370z and 2009 being the year of the 200sx/Silvia

[Neejay]

You guys think they will drop the turbo and up the liters?

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by OptionZero

1.6L Turbo instead of a small v6? Curious decision. Is the VQ really that bigger (physical dimensions) or heavier than the HR series?

Is a 1.6L turbo inherently more fuel efficient than a small (2.4L) vq?

I hope they don't make it TOO much like the V36 coupe...that things lines are flawed.

(not being mean in saying this)...you guys need to read thru more of this thread before asking questions like that...its already been answered

the 4cyl coupe is nissans revival of the entry level RWD sports car...like the 350z was the revival of the Z heritage...and how the V6 was the revival of the GTR heritage (remember how people were saying that it was going to get a V8???)

the new infiniti "bmw 1 series fighter" based from the new silvia/200sx will recieve the small 2.5 litre V6 (this has covered a TON of times aleady in this thread by exitspeed and i)

nissan knows what its market wants with an entry level coupe...and its NOT a V6...if you want a V6 you guy a Z

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by Neejay

You guys think they will drop the turbo and up the liters?

NO!!! who gives a shit about larger displacement...id much rather have forged internals that are capable of 500+ hp STOCK with a turbo (ie: SR and CA) than pissy little weak rods and pistons that can barely handle 300+hp (ie: KA and QR)

car manufacturers of today have to think about fuel economy as well as performance...and in the next 5-10 years, the automotive market in the US will have quite a few small displacement 4 cyl turbo motors on the road in new cars...larger displacement motors are out...small displacement with forced induction are in

[Neejay]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

NO!!! who gives a shit about larger displacement...id much rather have forged internals that are capable of 500+ hp STOCK with a turbo (ie: SR and CA) than pissy little weak rods and pistons that can barely handle 300+hp (ie: KA and QR)

car manufacturers of today have to think about fuel economy as well as performance...and in the next 5-10 years, the automotive market in the US will have quite a few small displacement 4 cyl turbo motors on the road in new cars...larger displacement motors are out...small displacement with forced induction are in

Oh, I totally agree. I just don't want to be let down

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

.larger displacement motors are out...small displacement with forced induction are in

This is the absolute truth. We are going to see so many smaller engines being offered along with FI combined with more lightweight materials and smaller dimensions.

These are the trends we are going to see going into the future.

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

This is the absolute truth. We are going to see so many smaller engines being offered along with FI combined with more lightweight materials and smaller dimensions.

These are the trends we are going to see going into the future.

i heart you...no seriously i do lol

[Dutchmalmiss]

Hahaha, with gas prices up, it only makes sense. Although they do have v8s and v10s with multi-cylinder shutoff tech, that'll be a thing for the SUVS and sedans.

But hot damn, ~2700lbs + ~250hp is gonna feel goooooood.

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by Dutchmalmiss

Hahaha, with gas prices up, it only makes sense. Although they do have v8s and v10s with multi-cylinder shutoff tech, that'll be a thing for the SUVS and sedans.

i cant stand that V8s and V10s do that...the V8 and V10 (outside of commercial vehicles that require such torque and power) need to be done away with in cars and trucks...the whole turning cylinders off to conserve gas millage is horse shit...ford was touting how awesome it was in one of their stupid SUVs...the gas millage they obtained with this technology, the japanese and europeans have been doing for YEARS...its like "hi american car company...welcome to the party...weve all been here for a while and were about to leave...but you can stay and think youre the center of attention if you want to"

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by Dutchmalmiss

Hahaha, with gas prices up, it only makes sense. Although they do have v8s and v10s with multi-cylinder shutoff tech, that'll be a thing for the SUVS and sedans.

Yea, that technology will get better and better and be combined with hybrid technology too.

Originally Posted by Dutchmalmiss

But hot damn, ~2700lbs + ~250hp is gonna feel goooooood.

Hell I'd be happy with a 2.0t pumping out 220-225hp with that weight. It's won't be a 13 sec car, but I'm sure it'll be nuts in the twisties. I hope they tune it on the Ring too.

[Dutchmalmiss]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

...but I'm sure it'll be nuts in the twisties. I hope they tune it on the Ring too.

That's what I'm looking forward to. Anyone have an idea of the top lap times for compact sport cars? I wanna see what it's up against.

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

...It won't be a 13 sec car, but I'm sure it'll be nuts in the twisties...

a boost controller can fix that problem easily

[drift925]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

a boost controller can fix that problem easily

free flowing exhaust and boost controller

[Dutchmalmiss]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

a VR38 swap can fix that problem easily

fixed for ya

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by Dutchmalmiss

fixed for ya

nein, naj, niet, iea, and NO!!!

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by Dutchmalmiss

That's what I'm looking forward to. Anyone have an idea of the top lap times for compact sport cars? I wanna see what it's up against.

Well the FASTEST sport compact car ever tested on The Ring is the Coballt SS Turbo that ran a 8:22. To put it into perspective, that is faster then the Nissan Skyline GT-R R32, BMW M3 E46, Audi S5, Lotus Exige S, Porsche Cayman S, BMW 335i E92 Coupe, 350z, C5 Vette, and a Honda S2000.

The next actual sport compact car on the list is the Mazda MS3, then R32 VW.

Like I've said before if Nissan can work even half it's magic of the GTR on the new 240, I'd expect to find the new 240 around the 8:35-8:30 lap times putting it faster then the 350z and 993 Carrrera. I mean we're talking about pure bragging rights for Nissan if they can accomplish this. Especially if they can get some the 370 in the low 8's (8 flat would be a nice number).

[WILDACEX187]

im excited. i hope they make something official at detroit. at the very least an announcement. pls nissan. i <3 u

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by WILDACEX187

im excited. i hope they make something official at detroit. at the very least an announcement. pls nissan. i <3 u

Me too as I will be there covering the event.

[dorkidori_s13]

honestly...if u look at the big picture of it all...nissan has no choice but to announce something as soon as possible...the new genesis coupe is out next year and is already being hyped as the next big entry level sports coupe...there have already been photos of the toybaru test chassis running around in japan...and nissan has excluded all entry level buyer ideas period by raising the base price of the 370z to the 36-38k range which has now created an even larger hole in their car line up that neither the altima coupe or sentra "uglier than sin" SE-R cannot even begin to fill

if nissan doesnt make an official announcement within the next few months...theyre gonna be suffering a huge blow (given toyota has made it OFFICIAL the toybaru will be ready in 2011 and on sale early that year)

[origin_s135]

i'm anticipating for this so bad, i'm in need of a new car soon, and i really don't want to get a used car. we'll see in detroit maybe????!

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Well the FASTEST sport compact car ever tested on The Ring is the Coballt SS Turbo that ran a 8:22. To put it into perspective, that is faster then the Nissan Skyline GT-R R32, BMW M3 E46, Audi S5, Lotus Exige S, Porsche Cayman S, BMW 335i E92 Coupe, 350z, C5 Vette, and a Honda S2000.

The next actual sport compact car on the list is the Mazda MS3, then R32 VW.

Like I've said before if Nissan can work even half it's magic of the GTR on the new 240, I'd expect to find the new 240 around the 8:35-8:30 lap times putting it faster then the 350z and 993 Carrrera. I mean we're talking about pure bragging rights for Nissan if they can accomplish this. Especially if they can get some the 370 in the low 8's (8 flat would be a nice number).

Mel do not expect it to be quicker than a 370 around the ring. Nissan will not overshadow the Z's performance for the sake of entry level machine. Let alone making it faster than a 993 lol. Please people get handle on yourselves here.

My sources at Nissan have not even seen brouchures for the 370 which usually come out 2-3 months before the actual car shows up on showroom floors. It will debut at the Auto show coming up here in Los Angeles. Though it will probably not hit showroom floors till sometime next spring. Expect the 240 replacement to be shown in late 2009 or early 2010 and not to hit showroom floors till late 2010 or even early 2011.

Expect the HP to be 200-250 Max. Remember it has to be quick but it also has to not overshadow the Z. Nissan made this mistake once before with the 180sx in Japan. They will play it very carefully.

[exitspeed]

Oh, my bad i meant the 350Z. Not the 370. No that would not make any sense at all.

[SimpleS14]

Can the 370Z get its own thread? I mean...I have a feeling it will...but its getting quite overshadowed in this thread...

As for the post dorkidori_s13 made...it does seem interesting and I know other people were guessing a MR variant engine.

[exitspeed]

http://zilvia.net/f/chat/176339-370z...highlight=370z

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

I think the eventual elimination of the v6 and v8's is pretty much inevitable on affordable cars. Over the next 10 years you'll see the reintroduction of turbo I4 Diesels and the introduction of turbo I4's to the American public.

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

...It will debut at the Auto show coming up here in Los Angeles...Expect the 240 replacement to be shown in late 2009 or early 2010 and not to hit showroom floors till late 2010 or even early 2011

im gonna have to argue the release date on it with yah...nissan and toyota have long had fueds on who can have cars out first...i seriously think nissan will get the jump on toyota by AT LEAST 6-9 months in releasing the 2010 200sx...im pretty sure it will be out early 2010 (at the latest)...both toyota/subaru and nissan are gunning hardkore for the market hyundai has already gotten the jump on them with...and as soon as the 370z hits show rooms...nissans performance gap is going to get HUGE from the no entry level RWD coupe space that the 350z once KIND OF occupied (POS Sentra SE-R > Altima Coupe > ..... NOTHING!!!! ..... > 370z > GTR)

if nissan doesnt have something in show rooms well before the new toybaru...theyre going to get stung pretty hard by 2 major companies getting the jump on them