The 2020 Presidential Race

[S14rebuild]

Okay, so the people u voted for didnt win.....u sound like a sore loser.....

Vote again..... thats all u can do

[zombiewolf513]

bring back the good ol fashioned duel

[spooled240]

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us...cognitive-test

"I am very willing to let the American public judge my physical, mental...my phys-as well as my mental phys-fitness"

biden.exe has stopped working.

[S14rebuild]

I cant wait for the debates! Its gonna be fukn hilarious watchn trump just destroy sleepy joe. Seen him up there just have a mid show stroke will be all the proof the american people will need to see hes not even close to qualify to drive an uber, let alone run the country.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by S14rebuild

I cant wait for the debates! Its gonna be fukn hilarious watchn trump just destroy sleepy joe. Seen him up there just have a mid show stroke will be all the proof the american people will need to see hes not even close to qualify to drive an uber, let alone run the country.

Won't be any debates.

[Corbic]

[Future240]

Biden at it again

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...-remark-392354

[KA24DESOneThree]

Corbic, I have to ask because the burden of proof is on you to prove the system guilty: how is anyone going to steal the election via mail-in ballots? How is that actually a problem? How was it never a problem until Cheeto Mussolini made it a problem without proof?

I'll get you started: voting by mail requires levels of inspection that can result in good votes being tossed out. New York tossed 1.84% of mail-in ballots in the 2016 election, California 1.75%, Kansas 1.48%, Arizona 1.28%. This totaled 452,247 votes. The five states that are mail-in only didn't count 0.7-0.9% of their votes. Source.

The question, though, is whether or not that number extrapolates after a revamping of the mail-in systems in all states.

If someone is turned away from voting because they refuse to wear a mask, how long until that's capitalized upon by conservatives as voter suppression?

Biden's getting senile, Trump's just a moron. Would you really like to watch a debate where no one can string a sentence together like an intelligent human being? It's a joke, an embarrassment, and the quality of our candidates is so bad I honestly don't know how anyone can vote for any politician who had a say in these two buffoons being candidates.

[S14rebuild]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Biden's getting senile, Trump's just a moron. Would you really like to watch a debate where no one can string a sentence together like an intelligent human being? It's a joke, an embarrassment, and the quality of our candidates is so bad I honestly don't know how anyone can vote for any politician who had a say in these two buffoons being candidates.

So ur not voting i take it?.....

[spooled240]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

I'll get you started: voting by mail requires levels of inspection that can result in good votes being tossed out. New York tossed 1.84% of mail-in ballots in the 2016 election, California 1.75%, Kansas 1.48%, Arizona 1.28%. This totaled 452,247 votes. The five states that are mail-in only didn't count 0.7-0.9% of their votes. Source.

The question, though, is whether or not that number extrapolates after a revamping of the mail-in systems in all states.

If someone is turned away from voting because they refuse to wear a mask, how long until that's capitalized upon by conservatives as voter suppression?

If you can stand in line 6 ft apart at Home Depot and do self-checkout, idk how that is much different than standing in line 6 ft apart at a voting location to vote at a machine. If crowdedness is an issue they can just extend Super Tuesday to a week or so since they were already expecting huge delays in the mail-in ballots. Maybe go in alphabetical order by day or something to cut down on the crowds. Mail is so archaic and an immense waste of paper. We're not living in 1920.

[SimpleS14]

Originally Posted by spooled240

If you can stand in line 6 ft apart at Home Depot and do self-checkout, idk how that is much different than standing in line 6 ft apart at a voting location to vote at a machine. If crowdedness is an issue they can just extend Super Tuesday to a week or so since they were already expecting huge delays in the mail-in ballots. Maybe go in alphabetical order by day or something to cut down on the crowds. Mail is so archaic and an immense waste of paper. We're not living in 1920.

The difference, IMO, is that there's less face to face human interaction at a Home Depot self-checkout and more working kiosks available to get people through quicker...at least compared to what I went through in my district. Also some states/districts have fewer polling locations open leading to longer lines.

Early voting, drop boxes and more polling locations might help.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

The difference, IMO, is that there's less face to face human interaction at a Home Depot self-checkout and more working kiosks available to get people through quicker...at least compared to what I went through in my district. Also some states/districts have fewer polling locations open leading to longer lines.

Early voting, drop boxes and more polling locations might help.

If it's so dangerous, let's just delay the election until a cure is found.

I mean think of the mail men and counters that will have to potentially touch millions of contaminated Ballots.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Corbic, I have to ask because the burden of proof is on you to prove the system guilty: how is anyone going to steal the election via mail-in ballots? How is that actually a problem? How was it never a problem until Cheeto Mussolini made it a problem without proof?



I'll get you started: voting by mail requires levels of inspection that can result in good votes being tossed out. New York tossed 1.84% of mail-in ballots in the 2016 election, California 1.75%, Kansas 1.48%, Arizona 1.28%. This totaled 452,247 votes. The five states that are mail-in only didn't count 0.7-0.9% of their votes. Source.



The question, though, is whether or not that number extrapolates after a revamping of the mail-in systems in all states.



If someone is turned away from voting because they refuse to wear a mask, how long until that's capitalized upon by conservatives as voter suppression?



Biden's getting senile, Trump's just a moron. Would you really like to watch a debate where no one can string a sentence together like an intelligent human being? It's a joke, an embarrassment, and the quality of our candidates is so bad I honestly don't know how anyone can vote for any politician who had a say in these two buffoons being candidates.

Because clearly, Russian agents will get copies of Ballots and mail in thousands of them to sway the election. Not exactly rocket science.

You are also again comparing absentee voting to blanket mail in voting. It's not the same thing.

As I already linked, the Trump Hating extreme left New Yorker highlighted the dangers of mail in voting.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...voting/614446/

New York primaries have been a disaster with votes coming in weeks late, no way to verify when they where mailed, authenticity, etc. 25% have been thrown out.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Because clearly, Russian agents will get copies of Ballots and mail in thousands of them to sway the election. Not exactly rocket science.

You are also again comparing absentee voting to blanket mail in voting. It's not the same thing.

It's not clear, though- and it's certainly clear that the Russians prefer Trump by a large margin. Wouldn't it be preferable that your guy gets the benefit of the fake votes?

Please link me to a reputable news source that says mail-in ballots are able to be compromised in the numbers you quote. I am trying to learn why I have never heard of this failure before, and why it's never been a problem before. In the past 20 years, there have been only 1,285 proven cases of voter fraud and more than 250 million votes cast by mail.

I concede that states are well on their way to fucking things up, and you saw the line in The Atlantic about the rickety USPS, right? So if Trump was interested, and I mean truly interested, about the possibility of vote manipulation and/or votes being miscounted/lost/late, wouldn't he be bolstering the USPS rather than contributing to its woes?

The approval process for South Carolina's strict absentee voting requires:

"1. Members of the Armed Forces or Merchant Marine serving outside their county of residence and their spouses and dependents residing with them

2. Persons serving with the American Red Cross or with the United Service Organizations (USO) who are attached to and serving with the Armed Forces outside their county of residence and their spouses and dependents residing with them

3. Overseas Citizens

4. Persons who are physically disabled

5. Students attending school outside their county of residence and their spouses and dependents residing with them

5. Persons who for reasons of employment will not be able to vote on election day

6. Government employees serving outside their county of residence on Election Day and their spouses and dependents residing with them

7. Persons who plan to be on vacation outside their county of residence on Election Day

8. Persons serving as a juror in state or federal court on Election Day

9. Persons admitted to the hospital as emergency patients on Election Day or within a four-day period before the election

10. Persons with a death or funeral in the family within three days before the election

11. Persons confined to a jail or pre-trial facility pending disposition of arrest or trial

12. Persons attending sick or physically disabled persons

13. Certified poll watchers, poll managers, and county election officials working on Election Day

14. Persons sixty-five years of age or older

15. Persons who for religious reasons do not want to vote on a Saturday (Presidential Primaries Only)"

So, it's fine for people to get an absentee ballot because they're working, old, or on vacation, but the moment they want to avoid a congregation point for an infectious disease, watch out! That's not terribly well-thought-out, is it?

However, 29 states have no-excuse absentee ballots which do not require approval (and in certain states, like PA, these absentee ballots are referred to as "mail-in" ballots). How are their no-excuse absentee ballots less secure than mail-in ballots, especially if the similarity is such that certain states use the terms interchangeably?

Five states (WA, OR, CO, UT, HI) have all-mail voting in place. Every vote is mail-in.

You continue to ignore scientific fact or do any research for yourself.

PS- Proof of white power retweet: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/28/polit...wer/index.html, saved retweet: https://factba.se/topic/deleted-tweets scroll down to Jun 28, '20.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

It's not clear, though- and it's certainly clear that the Russians prefer Trump by a large margin. Wouldn't it be preferable that your guy gets the benefit of the fake votes?

If that's your belief, then why do you want mail in votes? Seems odd...

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Please link me to a reputable news source that says mail-in ballots are able to be compromised in the numbers you quote. I am trying to learn why I have never heard of this failure before, and why it's never been a problem before. In the past 20 years, there have been only 1,285 proven cases of voter fraud and more than 250 million votes cast by mail.

Jeffery Epstein, after 30 years of alleged child trafficking was never convicted. You gonna let your daughter fly on a plane with him?

Also who is a "reputable" news source in your lexicon? I gave you an extreme left source with the latest data.... So you can't cry "oh that was 30 years ago and Fox News is a Trump supporting POS"

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

I concede that states are well on their way to fucking things up, and you saw the line in The Atlantic about the rickety USPS, right? So if Trump was interested, and I mean truly interested, about the possibility of vote manipulation and/or votes being miscounted/lost/late, wouldn't he be bolstering the USPS rather than contributing to its woes?

Why should he? Why wouldn't house DNC reps be pushing more funding to the USPS? Why aren't they lifting all the insane restrictions? (Hint, they want it to be a disaster, they want the chaos and anarchy)

Did you know the Post office has been restoring 30 year old Gruman's mail trucks because congress won't let them buy a new truck unless it's under $30k, gets 50mpg and uses renewable energy?

Did you know the Postal Service can't increase prices, shut down nonprofitable centers or make route changes without congressional approval?

So again, if you can go to the liquor store and buy a 40... Why all of a sudden you can't go drop a piece of paper in a box?

If you think mail on voting will help trump, then why are you and your ilk the ones demanding it?

This falls way to far down party lines not to raise eyebrows and slam the breaks.

2020 most important election in 50 years.

2019 DNC flat out saying the economy needs to tank for Trump to lose.

2020 DNC wants entire economy shutdown for Commie Cough.

DNC wants mail in voting because of Commie Cough.

DNC/Left losing their shit rioting across the country.

If mail in voting was so great, why haven't we done it for the past 50 years?

If mail in voting is going to help Trump... Then why is it him and his supporters that are apposing it?

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

PS- Proof of white power retweet: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/28/polit...wer/index.html, saved retweet: https://factba.se/topic/deleted-tweets scroll down to Jun 28, '20.

Not even going to bother with the mental gymnastics here. CNN is not a reputable news source, just corporate propaganda. So I'm not wasting my time to validate their stupid claim.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Not even going to bother with the mental gymnastics here. CNN is not a reputable news source, just corporate propaganda. So I'm not wasting my time to validate their stupid claim.

Cool. That's why I literally linked his deleted tweet. You don't need to validate their claim because I validated it for you by linking his deleted tweet. I led the horse to water, but I can't make it drink.

What's your news source? What do you consider not corporate propaganda?

Fox? Corporate propaganda.

OANN? Corporate propaganda with literal Russian ties.

CNN? NBC? CBS? NYT? The Atlantic? Cor-por-ate prop-a-ganda! SO MANY LEFTISTS! IT'S LIKE A FUCKING ART GALLERY OPENING!

Maybe you prefer your information from The Intercept? No, no, that doesn't make sense, it's privately funded and therefore could be slanted.

Current Affairs? No! They said something negative about Tucker Carlson.

The Financial Times? No, wait, that's owned by a Japanese conglomerate and requires a subscription.

Facebook? No, no, that can't be it. Their fact-checkers aren't infallible.

Twitter? No, jesus, no.

Local news subsidiaries? No, they're subsidiaries of the above corporations.

Well shit Corbic, I don't know where to get my news.

[LEG1T]

Anyone but Trump.

This country is filled with hate now more than ever.

No matter what happens i'm sure he will never concede with decency and his base will eat it up for breakfast.

Damn shame how he's handled just basic human empathy and judgement.

November can't come soon enough.

Not excited or overly thrilled about BIDEN, but he is surely way better than Trump IMO.

[S14rebuild]

Originally Posted by LEG1T

Anyone but Trump.

This country is filled with hate now more than ever.

No matter what happens i'm sure he will never concede with decency and his base will eat it up for breakfast.

Damn shame how he's handled just basic human empathy and judgement.

November can't come soon enough.

Not excited or overly thrilled about BIDEN, but he is surely way better than Trump IMO.

So when trump wins again, ull move to Canada or mexico?

[LEG1T]

Originally Posted by S14rebuild

So when trump wins again, ull move to Canada or mexico?

I see you are confident in him winning.

I'll chime back in November. Hope our country is smarter than that. I still have hope.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by LEG1T

Anyone but Trump.

But why?

Best economy in generations. (for all races)
Reduced foreign wars and prevented some.
First person to have balls and stand up to China.

Originally Posted by LEG1T

This country is filled with hate now more than ever.

But why? Is this Trump's fault? We didn't have Antifa or BLM and riots with Obama?

Originally Posted by LEG1T

No matter what happens i'm sure he will never concede with decency and his base will eat it up for breakfast.

Based on what?

Originally Posted by LEG1T

Damn shame how he's handled just basic human empathy and judgement.

How so?

Originally Posted by LEG1T

November can't come soon enough.

Not excited or overly thrilled about BIDEN, but he is surely way better than Trump IMO.

How do b you figure?

What do you expect Biden to do to make things "better"?

[Corbic]

https://youtu.be/HgMVLvvyie8

[LEG1T]

Corbic,

You and I both know that there is literally nothing I can say about Trump or his presidency that will change your belief, ballot if you're voting, or thoughts of him.

So honestly why bother asking questions?

If you have come this far and still think he is the best man for the job then more power to you.

I don't need a statistic, article, book report, news anchor or blogger to tell me how terribly bad things are going in our nation and believe me there are plenty of those, I can just walk outside and see and experience for myself. And I have been for years since this man took office.

There is more vocal hate now than I have ever felt. I see business shutting down left and right. I have friends and family being given a check for $1,200 as a survival wage that supposed to last for 4 months. I see kids locked in cages with tin foil as a blanket as they sleep on the floor. I hear our leader call other places shitholes as he consistently rants on twitter with disinformations and even goes as far as to post retweet of white power messages.

Na Im good.

I was raised better than that, and I believe our county is and can be better than that.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by LEG1T

Corbic,

You and I both know that there is literally nothing I can say about Trump or his presidency that will change your belief, ballot if you're voting, or thoughts of him.

You are not changing my mind. What I want to know is how you came to hate Trump and blame him for so much.

Originally Posted by LEG1T

So honestly why bother asking questions?

Because dialog is important.

Originally Posted by LEG1T

If you have come this far and still think he is the best man for the job then more power to you.

I'm asking why you think he's not.

Originally Posted by LEG1T

I don't need a statistic, article, book report, news anchor or blogger to tell me how terribly bad things are going in our nation and believe me there are plenty of those, I can just walk outside and see and experience for myself. And I have been for years since this man took office.

But none of this is his doing. Antifa, BLM, Riots, etc all happened under Obama and for generations before that.

Originally Posted by LEG1T

There is more vocal hate now than I have ever felt.

Again, how is that about Trump? If anything it's a byproduct of the for-profit Corporate New-Entertainment industry and social media creating echo chambers that require louder and louder Reeeee's to get attention.

Originally Posted by LEG1T

I see business shutting down left and right. I have friends and family being given a check for $1,200 as a survival wage that supposed to last for 4 months.

Again, how is this Trump's fault? He's actively trying to decouple us from China (source) and the areas hardest hit are also the areas controlled by the DNC. Much of the policy and action resulting in economic suffering is being done on the local and state level.

This is happening on a global scale. Uncle Joe wouldn't be doing anything different other than possibly stupid shit like national mask mandates.

Originally Posted by LEG1T

I see kids locked in cages with tin foil as a blanket as they sleep on the floor.

And what? How is this Trump's fault? Separation policy was put in place under Obama/Biden. Lack of faculties are direct result of the DNC's effort to "Abolish ICE". We even had employees at woke furniture companies protesting and refusing to supply equipment.

Originally Posted by LEG1T

I hear our leader call other places shitholes as he consistently rants on twitter with disinformations and even goes as far as to post retweet of white power messages.

A. They are shit holes which is my millions of their citizens try to enter the US Illegally.

B. Proof

Originally Posted by LEG1T

I was *Brainwashed* better than that, and I believe our county is and can be better than that.

So your willing to vote for a corrupt senile pedophile who spent 40 years building the machine you are blaming Trump for.

Because what, Trump called Haiti a shit hole?

Can you point to any actual policy actions he's taken to cause any of the butt hurt you feel?

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by LEG1T

. I have friends and family being given a check for $1,200 as a survival wage that supposed to last for 4 months. .

Oh that heartless monster! How dare he side step the DNC rabble trying to fill Covid Relief with crony pork...

https://abc7chicago.com/trump-live-s...-bill/6361220/

[Corbic]

[deolio]

glad we've got corbic around to recite every batshit conspiracy theory post from facebook, it sure has changed my opinion about politics

[shaggyjake]

Just dropping in to say that I'll be casting my vote for Jo Jorgensen. Not that it matters.

[TheRealSy90]

If every person that thinks their vote doesn't or won't matter and isn't going to vote, actually voted for Jo Jorgensen or whoever they wanted, they'd get overwhelmingly more votes than the two main candidates.

[deolio]

Originally Posted by TheRealSy90

If every person that thinks their vote doesn't or won't matter and isn't going to vote, actually voted for Jo Jorgensen or whoever they wanted, they'd get overwhelmingly more votes than the two main candidates.

QFT! I?ve voted in every presidential election I?ve been able to and have never given my vote to the two party system. Partisan politics are aids, but it makes it easy for numbskulls to smash that mf vote button when the only options they see are red or blue.

[SimpleS14]

Kamala Harris is Biden's VP pick.

The VP debate should be interesting.