"You're doing it wrong" Pt. 2 - Because turrible ideas never die

[Juucso]

Originally Posted by deolio

someone not retarded please rescue that poor 326

This car will be something amazing finished! Wide lips on Emitz (I love those wheels), low as fuck, 326power kit etc.. all the goodies!



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Just saw a post on FB that suggested someone to put diesel engine to rusted out zenki.

[Yardjass]

Originally Posted by driftsucky

That's cuz nobody says they don't like it cuz they don't like it. They try to come up with all these "safety reasons" which is really just the gaff. Just say it looks stupid. Own your opinion to to dislike something instead of trying to justify your dislike with cockamaimey reasoning. Braking distance isn't an issue to someone who PHYSICALLY can't travel at a high rate of speed. Handling isn't a concern to someone who isn't attacking corners. Blowouts are literally a non issue when WORSE case scenario involves a loud noise and changing a tire. (because, in real life, blowouts don't cause cars to flip over and explode into a ball of fire and hurl themselves into a school bus full photogenic blonde white kids). Why bring up performance reason to a groupe that cares absolutely 0% about performance. You guys are doing it wrong. That's stupid.

Demon camber looks ridiculous. THE END!

Oh, don't get me wrong, it looks stupid as fuck. However, accident avoidance is an important thing, and that shit most certainly affects it. Although the chances of this are low, if you're going to physical therapy for a whiplash injury because some dipshit either couldn't avoid you or couldn't slow down enough to cause more than a minor injury, when a normal car could have, you'll be singing a different tune.

[PoorMans180SX]

DIW x DIW = DIW^2

[mogli9000]

[driftsucky]

Originally Posted by Yardjass

Oh, don't get me wrong, it looks stupid as fuck. However, accident avoidance is an important thing, and that shit most certainly affects it. Although the chances of this are low, if you're going to physical therapy for a whiplash injury because some dipshit either couldn't avoid you or couldn't slow down enough to cause more than a minor injury, when a normal car could have, you'll be singing a different tune.

Well...yeah. I guess people would sing a different story were that to happen. However, if we roll back to the Paisa Drift incident that blew up the internet? well, they were (mechanically) functional cars that just looked like shit and the amount of street drifting went down 1550x0%. So, considering there's never been an accident (or at least a well known one) related to camber and stretched tires, holding on to that logic is like sucking a 70 year old titty and looking for milk. Sure, it's POSSIBLE, but at the end of the day, you're really just sucking a 70 year-old titty.

[Crazyced]

Originally Posted by driftsucky

So, considering there's never been an accident (or at least a well known one) related to camber and stretched tires,

Yeah you're gonna need some sources here.

[jaysgottaredtop]

^ Logical fallacy, appeal to ignorance, DIW

[Kuma]

Originally Posted by driftsucky

So, considering there's never been an accident (or at least a well known one) related to camber and stretched tires.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=29g386hXwyI

[driftsucky]

Originally Posted by Crazyced

Yeah you're gonna need some sources here.

No I don't. The fact that if I say "Paisa Drift", you think of the time on the news when they slid into PEOPLE, is the only needed reference. If I say "Camber Gang" or "Stretched tire explosion" or any other hot words associated with that lifestyle, and everyone draws a blank or has to go scouring the internet to hopefully find something (that you probably won't) goes to my point that there has never been a widely known (mainstream or in the car world) incident.

It's much like the "fake wheels explode" rumor. Now, I've spent my hard earned money or LEGIT wheels and some goober spends a third of the price to get the same look? EFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF that. Now I'm gonna make a rumor that fake wheels break and say THAT'S why I don't like them. Then I'll create a picture, of wheel breaking that, nobody can verify or confirm and through THE ENTIRE CAR COMMUNITY, nobody was there but everyone remembers their "buddy" who knows about it. It's the exact same thing. People coming up with ridiculous logic to try to justify something they don't like instead of just not liking it because they don't like it. And then, they try to use THEIR (ridiculous) story to try to convince people who don't care about the same things as the reasoning for wrong doing. A kid who puts fake wheels on a credit card to get instagram fame CLEARLY doesn't build the same way an adult who saves up and has custom wheels built does. Two completely different trains of thought really. Same thing with oni-camber. They don't give a sh1t about "race car" stuff.

TLDIW

[driftsucky]

Originally Posted by Kuma

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=29g386hXwyI

Eyeballs being eyeballs, he hit a divit in the road and his car came off the ground. But, let's just assume his tires exploded, his wheels didn't spark (presumably because they're magical) and threw him into traffic. How many people know about that? EGGGGGGGGZACHLEEE

[zombiewolf513]

I've been in an accident thanks to no traction because of hella camber and stretch.

Fake wheels are also usually cast as opposed to forged or CNCd from billet, hence they are weaker and heavier. It's a materials science fact, not a rumor.

[driftsucky]

fake wheels being lighter/weaker isn't what is a rumor. Them exploding from regular use, however, is. Paper is lighter than rock. But, outside of the cult classic, paper, rock , scissors, it doesn't affect anything in the real world...much like fake wheels.

[irax]

Originally Posted by silviaks2nr

retard camber, spray bombed bumper, dumb under hood graffiti

So apparently he should only have 0 digrees of camber on a car he obviously drifts... GTFO
Spray bombed bumper ? So the rest of the car being rattle can'd is not an issue, but just the bumper ?
Under hood graphics is apparently a huge problem... omg he painted under his hood lets burn this fucker on the internet to show he did it wrong...

[driftsucky]

Originally Posted by irax

So apparently he should only have 0 digrees of camber on a car he obviously drifts... GTFO
Spray bombed bumper ? So the rest of the car being rattle can'd is not an issue, but just the bumper ?
Under hood graphics is apparently a huge problem... omg he painted under his hood lets burn this fucker on the internet to show he did it wrong...

slow down 10 speed. Nobody likes a dingus

[irax]

Originally Posted by driftsucky

slow down 10 speed. Nobody likes a dingus

No one likes a shit talking cunt, nor someone who defends someone being an asshole for no reason.

[zombiewolf513]

Originally Posted by driftsucky

fake wheels being lighter [heavier]/weaker isn't what is a rumor. Them exploding from regular use, however, is. Paper is lighter than rock. But, outside of the cult classic, paper, rock , scissors, it doesn't affect anything in the real world...much like fake wheels.

who has ever said fake wheels explode under normal driving conditions? wheels bend, crack, and 'explode' when they experience forces they aren't supposed to like high speed or axial curb hits, or if they're manufactured like shit by a cheap shitty chinese factory with little to no QA/QC policy. Misuse, accidents, and poor manufacturing are real world and regular.

And your rock/paper analogy is dumb.

[OBEEWON]

Originally Posted by nightwalker

..........

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Originally Posted by driftsucky

That's cuz nobody says they don't like it cuz they don't like it. They try to come up with all these "safety reasons" which is really just the gaff. Just say it looks stupid. Own your opinion to to dislike something instead of trying to justify your dislike with cockamaimey reasoning. Braking distance isn't an issue to someone who PHYSICALLY can't travel at a high rate of speed. Handling isn't a concern to someone who isn't attacking corners. Blowouts are literally a non issue when WORSE case scenario involves a loud noise and changing a tire. (because, in real life, blowouts don't cause cars to flip over and explode into a ball of fire and hurl themselves into a school bus full photogenic blonde white kids). Why bring up performance reason to a groupe that cares absolutely 0% about performance. You guys are doing it wrong. That's stupid.

Demon camber looks ridiculous. THE END!

THIS!!!! Preach.

[driftsucky]

Originally Posted by zombiewolf513

who has ever said fake wheels explode under normal driving conditions?

Every wheel whore from the early 2000's that was logged onto the hellaflush forum back when hellaflush had a forum.

Originally Posted by zombiewolf513

And your rock/paper analogy is dumb.

Maybe. But you got it didn't you? Yeah. You got it.

Originally Posted by irax

No one likes a shit talking cunt, nor someone who defends someone being an asshole for no reason.

lotta nether region references here chief.

[zombiewolf513]

Originally Posted by driftsucky

Maybe. But you got it didn't you? Yeah. You got it.

No, it didn't make sense. That's why it's dumb. Paper doesn't beat rock in rock/paper/scissors because it's lighter. Un-sprung weight in driving makes a huge difference in lap times and fuel efficiency, that's why heavier (fake, cast) wheels suck.

[driftsucky]

Originally Posted by zombiewolf513

No, it didn't make sense. That's why it's dumb. Paper doesn't beat rock in rock/paper/scissors because it's lighter. Un-sprung weight in driving makes a huge difference in lap times and fuel efficiency, that's why heavier (fake, cast) wheels suck.

The point was that much like fake wheels, paper rock scissors doesn't affect anything in the real world. I guess it would seem dumb if you missed that.

Just so we're clear, I'm not defending fake wheels. I'm saying that the reasons people give for NOT using them is dumb. While I've never owned a pair of fake wheels, it isn't because I'm some highly enlightened racer trying to run up the circuit ladder or because I'm afraid of their quality. It's just because I've either bought custom specs new or found some used to have VR rebuild to what I want. But I have no REAL issue with fake wheels. It just so happens I've never owned a set. But, if I were just throwing together a cruise/drift car for shits and giggles, and fake wheels had the specs I wanted, I wouldn't NOT get them just cuz they're reps.

I've done a LOT of blabbering, so here

[silviaks2nr]

Originally Posted by irax

No one likes a shit talking cunt, nor someone who defends someone being an asshole for no reason.

Dude you really need to take a chill pill. I'm not sorry that I'm picking on your buddy's car or whatever caused you to erupt. If I see something DIW, it's going in this thread. That car is a hot mess.


(thank god it's not actually bolted down)

[LockOn!]

Originally Posted by driftsucky

Foxbody Abortion Machine

Holy fuck. Its like someone took a the things I hate the most about drifting in the pacific north west and put it in one picture.

[Kuma]

Originally Posted by driftsucky

Eyeballs being eyeballs, he hit a divit in the road and his car came off the ground. But, let's just assume his tires exploded, his wheels didn't spark (presumably because they're magical) and threw him into traffic. How many people know about that? EGGGGGGGGZACHLEEE

you said no one has wrecked due to stretched tires and camber... judging by the traffic flow, 1000+ people hit that bump each day without bouncing off the ground and wrecking. As far as your tire blowing out argument, tires blow out and cause wrecks/ massive damage pretty often... I've had a tire blow out and mangle the whole bedside of my ranger. So if you don't think blow outs cause wrecks, you're wrong.

tire blowing out, causing car to wreck.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rNT7w2XsYWM
before you say something about the car not being stanced. My point is, tire blowouts cause wrecks. If you use a tire in a way it wasn't designed to be used, you increase the chances of blowouts... whether it's stretching, camber, under or over inflation. Just as you were ranting about people using safety issues as a reason to hate on it, you should acknowledge that it is unsafe... If you choose to still do it, that's fine. people do unsafe shit all the time. I don't mind stance, but I acknowledge it's unsafe.... and I avoid being next to stanced cars on the highway.

[Matej]

Originally Posted by Kuma

you said no one has wrecked due to stretched tires and camber... judging by the traffic flow, 1000+ people hit that bump each day without bouncing off the ground and wrecking. As far as your tire blowing out argument, tires blow out and cause wrecks/ massive damage pretty often... I've had a tire blow out and mangle the whole bedside of my ranger. So if you don't think blow outs cause wrecks, you're wrong.

Everyone always posts that video, but his tires obviously did not de-bead or explode or whatever people say will happen with stretched tires and cause you to drive through a preschool on fire.

The guy was driving like a dummy, he accelerated too fast, and he lost control. People do that in stock Mustangs daily.

You will lose traction just the same if your car has enough power whether you run 195 tires on a 10" wide wheel or on a 5" wheel (if anything, the heavy wide wheel will probably keep you grounded longer).
I have yet to see someone causing a fatal wreck because their stretched tire opened a black hole in spacetime or whatever.

[LockOn!]

Originally Posted by Matej

Everyone always posts that video, but his tires obviously did not de-bead or explode or whatever people say will happen with stretched tires and cause you to drive through a preschool on fire.

Frankly, if you've ever worked in any Firestone, Pepboys, or LesSchwab etc etc, you know there are far far FAR more retard shit on the roads today anyway. Anyone who actually cries foul about stretched tires and camber should check out their own family and friends cars before complaining.

I'd say only about 75% of cars on the road are truly "safe". And thats probably being very generous.

Rotted untouched suspension everywhere

Assholes who've never had an alignment crab-walking their cars around the freeway

Completely blown wheelbearings and balljoints waiting to just drop at the next little bump

The shit penny-pinchers and no-nothings drive around on is terrifying. I'm talking about the type of person who doesn't even think about servicing their car until the dash is lit up like a fucking skyscraper in shanghai on Chinese new year. And again, those lights only serve to keep their car propelled, no safety checks for suspension and what actually connects the magic go-go noise box to the road.

Fucking plebs

[Yardjass]

Originally Posted by Kuma

you said no one has wrecked due to stretched tires and camber... judging by the traffic flow, 1000+ people hit that bump each day without bouncing off the ground and wrecking. As far as your tire blowing out argument, tires blow out and cause wrecks/ massive damage pretty often... I've had a tire blow out and mangle the whole bedside of my ranger. So if you don't think blow outs cause wrecks, you're wrong.

tire blowing out, causing car to wreck.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rNT7w2XsYWM
before you say something about the car not being stanced. My point is, tire blowouts cause wrecks. If you use a tire in a way it wasn't designed to be used, you increase the chances of blowouts... whether it's stretching, camber, under or over inflation. Just as you were ranting about people using safety issues as a reason to hate on it, you should acknowledge that it is unsafe... If you choose to still do it, that's fine. people do unsafe shit all the time. I don't mind stance, but I acknowledge it's unsafe.... and I avoid being next to stanced cars on the highway.

This. There's nothing safe about 2 inches of contact patch on the side of a tire and a completely fucked suspension. Not having a problem with it is like not having a problem with people driving around on tires down to the wear indicators. Sure they'll get away with it 99 percent of the time but it doesn't change the scientific fucking fact that it is less safe.

Originally Posted by LockOn!

Frankly, if you've ever worked in any Firestone, Pepboys, or LesSchwab etc etc, you know there are far far FAR more retard shit on the roads today anyway. Anyone who actually cries foul about stretched tires and camber should check out their own family and friends cars before complaining.

I'd say only about 75% of cars on the road are truly "safe". And thats probably being very generous.

Rotted untouched suspension everywhere

Assholes who've never had an alignment crab-walking their cars around the freeway

Completely blown wheelbearings and balljoints waiting to just drop at the next little bump

The shit penny-pinchers and no-nothings drive around on is terrifying. I'm talking about the type of person who doesn't even think about servicing their car until the dash is lit up like a fucking skyscraper in shanghai on Chinese new year. And again, those lights only serve to keep their car propelled, no safety checks for suspension and what actually connects the magic go-go noise box to the road.

Fucking plebs

That's what safety inspections are supposed to be for, at least for the states that are smart enough to have them. There's nothing stopping stance dipshits from engaging in their fuckery in most states right now. Even most states with laws on the books, rarely enforce them.

[driftsucky]

Originally Posted by LockOn!

Frankly, if you've ever worked in any Firestone, Pepboys, or LesSchwab etc etc, you know there are far far FAR more retard shit on the roads today anyway. Anyone who actually cries foul about stretched tires and camber should check out their own family and friends cars before complaining.

I'd say only about 75% of cars on the road are truly "safe". And thats probably being very generous.

Rotted untouched suspension everywhere

Assholes who've never had an alignment crab-walking their cars around the freeway

Completely blown wheelbearings and balljoints waiting to just drop at the next little bump

The shit penny-pinchers and no-nothings drive around on is terrifying. I'm talking about the type of person who doesn't even think about servicing their car until the dash is lit up like a fucking skyscraper in shanghai on Chinese new year. And again, those lights only serve to keep their car propelled, no safety checks for suspension and what actually connects the magic go-go noise box to the road.

Fucking plebs

This.

Originally Posted by matej

Everyone always posts that video, but his tires obviously did not de-bead or explode or whatever people say will happen with stretched tires and cause you to drive through a preschool on fire.

The guy was driving like a dummy, he accelerated too fast, and he lost control. People do that in stock Mustangs daily.

You will lose traction just the same if your car has enough power whether you run 195 tires on a 10" wide wheel or on a 5" wheel (if anything, the heavy wide wheel will probably keep you grounded longer).
I have yet to see someone causing a fatal wreck because their stretched tire opened a black hole in spacetime or whatever.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand this

Originally Posted by me

So, considering there's never been an accident (or at least a well known one) related to camber and stretched tires...

Just so everyone's clear on what I said because you keep seeming to omit a VERY IMPORTANT part. I was wrong to say, on the interwebz, there's NEVER been an accident due to excessive camber and stretched tires. But, there isn't a well known one and none of you can argue that because none of you know of one because if any of you did, we'd all know because it would've broken the internet and the stance (slur for homosexual men) would've lost the great battle of function over form. Also, stop trying to justify something I don't agree with or vice versa. I really don't give a s41t about excessive camber or stretched tires. I just think the arguments against it or stupid. I treat oni-camber and excessive stretch much like I do other people's kids who play with mine. I tolerate it if I have to but as soon as it's out of my view, I really couldn't care less.

[jaysgottaredtop]

Man, this thread sucks ass.



OT

[rbpwrd240]

Course there is no proof stretched, hell camber causes accidents. Every time they do the whole stretched club bans together and immediately argues that all cars crash....

I guess this works as a defense but can we just talk about the physics of it all? In that sense if you like loosing performance then in some folks books your doing it wrong and you end up posted here.

[Yardjass]

Nobody is saying it automatically causes accidents. It degrades a car's performance to a lesser state than it has stock, thus making it more prone to accidents. I doubt any of you dipshits scours the DMV records for accidents involving stanced cars, nor would any data on the matter be of any significance due to the small percentage of stanced cars running around or the even smaller of failures that they see. Nobody needs to produce data to prove that it is a stupid idea, nor a viral internet video. It just is, and the onus is on others to prove that those changes don't cause a negative effect. Good luck with that. I feel I'm making a futile argument though. This is almost the same as the 3 spoke vs 6 spoke debate, where there was no actual disagreement but people just wanted to fight.