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Old 04-04-2012, 09:06 AM   #91
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My concern is how much he is on and off the gas pedal, that shit dont fly in FD.
He should have some great entries though.

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Are you fucking kidding me? All of these blip blip v8s in FD. Smoke and speed is all the FD judges care about. Throttle control be damned.
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Check 7:35:00 and 7:58:00 a couple of practice tandem with JTP.

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At 23:20, Anyone know where i can get more info on that BMW? Looked like it was ripping it up pretty good.
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At 23:20, Anyone know where i can get more info on that BMW? Looked like it was ripping it up pretty good.
You mean the 2010 and 2011 XDC champ Chelsea Denofa?
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Am I the only one that thinks the second outside clip is stupid? I know they want the cars close to the judges table but at the cost of missing the turn 2 apex is fucked.
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Am I the only one that thinks the second outside clip is stupid? I know they want the cars close to the judges table but at the cost of missing the turn 2 apex is fucked.
Hardly anyone hit it, It should be in a better spot for sure!
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You mean the 2010 and 2011 XDC champ Chelsea Denofa?
If thats the dude from Texas, then yes.
And he was killing it !!
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Well he definitely has the sickest sounding car here.
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I dont understand the formula D judging at all. It seems like a lot of bullshit to me, or the bigger your bank roll the more likely you win?
But it did look like he messed up, so yea.
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i did feel a little bit of bias in the judging. one judge was like "wait, whats his name again?" he kind of seemed as though he was undermining the new guy.

i really liked the match up. daigo's follow run was very strong. his simultaneous initiations and transitions were very apparent of D1. that doesnt seem to matter much in FD.

yoshihara's follow run was very strong too. daigo had GANGSTER angle under the dunlop bridge, but check out the small correction at 2:50, thats probably what they noticed most of all since the judges sit right there
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i did feel a little bit of bias in the judging. one judge was like "wait, whats his name again?".........
When was the last time there was a sport where the judges didnt know a persons name.
Not to mention the Exedy has the announcer in his pocket.

Decent day though, expensive beer
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yea, but he did sound condescending.

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i really liked the simultaneous transitions. seriously
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I guess when your entire rear end has been cut out this is possible.

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The judging was bullshit this round.

I dont know how the hell Daigo lost against Dai. He basically entered ass first under the dunlop bridge!

I dont know how the hell Gushi made it as far as he did. In my eyes he lost to that rookie Odi Bakchis. FD didnt want to lose face when scion did all of this PR bullshit regarding the OVERPRICED FR-S during the event.
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i was surprised to see bakchis take out gitten jr. as early as he did
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Wasn't so much bakchis as JR beating himself. During the second run jr destroyed him
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I cannot watch the US versions of drifting, bunch of high speed half assed angles with no actual STYLE in it.

Americans call it dirty to fake shift and trick throttle play to screw your opponent up, but that is the sport, high speed entry race lines are boring.

Glad there is a new drift set up coming out in Japan!
Haha weeaboo status, FD has come a long long way.

Dude Daigo grabbing 3rd place? thats pretty damn solid...
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im still waiting for something like this to happen...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGAH8OSHRWU

maybe they should just take j rod off the mic and have some Japanese dude yell. id watch it then
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I watched most of it on justin.tv, was pulling for daigo the whole time. I will say that formula D announcers suck balls at their jobs. Confusing names, cars, etc... really guys? youve only been doing this how many years now?

I agree, daigo got shafted in the final 4 runoff with dai, but drifting is drifting I suppose. Im really looking forward to seeing him at atlanta.
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The judging was bullshit this round.

I dont know how the hell Daigo lost against Dai. He basically entered ass first under the dunlop bridge!

I dont know how the hell Gushi made it as far as he did. In my eyes he lost to that rookie Odi Bakchis. FD didnt want to lose face when scion did all of this PR bullshit regarding the OVERPRICED FR-S during the event.
You are right Odi Bakchis had a way better lead run than Gushi.

The problem is FD judges don't know what constitutes a winning tandem run. In D1 it's simple. Lead car goes fast and side ways while protecting their line as the chase car puts pressure. In FD it's like the lead car must make a wide path hitting outside clips while the chase car must mirror their pointless line. This is why 95% of the battles are two car lengths apart.
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The judging was bullshit this round.

I dont know how the hell Daigo lost against Dai. He basically entered ass first under the dunlop bridge!

I dont know how the hell Gushi made it as far as he did. In my eyes he lost to that rookie Odi Bakchis. FD didnt want to lose face when scion did all of this PR bullshit regarding the OVERPRICED FR-S during the event.

Check out this video I made: Go to 7:25 and you'll see Daigo's very minor mistake where Santa is at. You'll notice it a lot more once you compare it with the footage right after where Daigo went up against Matt Powers for Third place. I would have asked for a OMT though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyOK3hG2BW0

As for Ken vs Odi, I agree.
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This video clearly shows in run two Dai making two mistakes following daigo. Way shallow angle through both parts of turn 10 not nearly matching Daigo's insane angle, and he completely failed to match Daigo's turn 11 transition. He horribly failed to match Daigo's transition speed going into turn 11. Daigo never straightened not even once like the judges claimed. The only mistake Daigo made which was arguable was his slight waddle right before the second clipping point. This is not seen in other video's shot at better angle's which is why i say the mistake was arguable. It definitely should have gone OMT. Basically it just shows the extreme bias on the judges. They couldn't stand to have a foreigner take a top podium position on his very first event. Its okay thought because Daigo will completely and utterly destroy Road Atlanta, the course is very similar to minami, his home track. The Japanese have better long sliding skill than Americans and ATL suits higher horsepower cars.


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Check out this video I made: Go to 7:25 and you'll see Daigo's very minor mistake where Santa is at. You'll notice it a lot more once you compare it with the footage right after where Daigo went up against Matt Powers for Third place. I would have asked for a OMT though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyOK3hG2BW0

As for Ken vs Odi, I agree.
Matt powers failed horribly against Daigo, his runs were littered with mistakes, just goes to show the true amateur he is.
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