2012-2013 NBA Season Thread

[Riq]

That was about as bad a basketball game you could play by the Heat tonight. Lazy Defense, slow closeouts, pure confusion on switches wow the list goes on and on. It will be interesting to see how the Heat respond in 48hrs. I don't expect them to play with their "this is a pre-season game mentality" of tonight.

[theronin]

Originally Posted by zooopreme

The Seven Nation Army chant at the end of the game made my night.



Is it wrong that I expected nothing more from your average Heat fan? This is a block on TIAGO SPLITTER. We're talking about a block on TIAGO SPLITTER. Not some big time big man--but Tiago Splitter who can really only brag about his higher FT% this season.

I didn't see you hyping up that Hibbert block on Melo. Or any of Dwight's/JaVale's out of the tall grass blocks. Lebron blocked a back up big man who is rarely a difference maker.

RELAX.

Pretty much exactly what I said to a coworker yesterday, he goes oh man, Lebron is so clutch u see that block last night? I ask who did he block? He goes oh um I dunno. I said exactly and walked away.

[iRONDONkey]

god, i dislike wade so much.

[FRpilot]

I hope Tony Parker is ok.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by Goofs

There's a difference between great players and talented players. People like LeBron, Vince Carter, and Wilt Chamberlain are/were talented, but not great like Magic, Kobe, MJ, and Duncan.

LeBron has shown absolutely no aggression to score throughout his whole series. He has an advantage on mostly anyone guarding him yet all he does is dribble pass or take a weak ass jumper.

Fuck the assists and all the MVP awards. Where are those numbers when it's actually important? Like someone that I can't recall said during the game by LeBron being more aggressive that will open up his team mates. He can't be thinking pass first. You think Kobe cares that he won 1 MVP throughout his career? Hell no, he knows how good of a player he is compared to the people he plays against and he's got the rings to prove it.

BTW, I'll put on my flame suit in the morning when I get up for work at 4. So have fun arguing, and I can't wait to read your posts tomorrow morning.

I'm gonna step outside of my "fuck LeBron James" box and disagee with you here. Right now, the Spurs are playing against the Miami Cavaliers. With no one from Miami threatening to be a major problem for them, they can crowd the lane and wait for LeBron. The undisputed fact is that LeBron is as good as advertised, but even that is not good enough to beat a Popovich-coached team. Spoelstra is being soundly outcoached right now.
Players will carry you through the regular season and make you look great, but the coach is the one who is made in the playoffs.

Originally Posted by enkei2k

I don't understand how the Spurs got the label of being 'boring'. If anything quite the opposite. Danny Green draining threes, but have Mike Miller on the Heat matching him shot for shot for the most part. That was, to me, really fun to watch.

Lots of dunks, dives and crazy shit from the Spurs. Leonard doing dirty work and for the team keeping LBJ under 20 points is definitely a plus for them. As long as they keep that up, Spurs have a good chance.

Great series. Should go the full 7 I think (and hope since after basketball season, there's not much else besides baseball).

This is a MAJOR departure from previous Spurs' championship runs. Historically, they've choked people out on defense, then pick-and-rolled them to death on offense. On the whole, THAT is boring-ass basketball. Funny, they have never faced a #1 seed in any of their championships, and wait until they actually see one to start jamming it down their throats, no homo (don't fine me Stern).

[drftngs14]

I would have to disagree with the LeBron statement as well, not just because Im a heat fan either. He is one of the greats right now, but he flat out sucked at shooting last night. His mind set is to get his team mates more involved which I understand but if he put up his usual 30+ points instead of 15 and Chalmers put up his 18+ the outcome would have been different. The supporting cast last night was not as bad as they have been, LeBron shit the bed and so did Chalmers with all his turnovers. That being said, the Spurs were on fire last night, 16 3 pts finals record! Heat better step up their game which I fully expect them to as well as LeBron or else this series will be over. And as far as that block goes, I dont care who it was against or who blocked it, that was straight badass and yes that hibbert block was disgusting, but why would a heat fan rant and rave about another teams block!?!? Because Splitter is a back-up nobody, he had an open drive to the basket going for a one armed dunk and got straight stuffed, like I said who cares who got stuffed by who, it was bad ass!

[FRpilot]

Originally Posted by Phlip

I'm gonna step outside of my "fuck LeBron James" box and disagee with you here. Right now, the Spurs are playing against the Miami Cavaliers. With no one from Miami threatening to be a major problem for them, they can crowd the lane and wait for LeBron.

That's what I saw on the highlights last night. They showed a couple of clips with lbj driving in only to be double or tripled team where he had to force shots and miss. Based on that, it looked like lbj was trying to be aggressive and drive in the lane, but the D was just too good, no homo.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by FRpilot

That's what I saw on the highlights last night. They showed a couple of clips with lbj driving in only to be double or tripled team where he had to force shots and miss. Based on that, it looked like lbj was trying to be aggressive and drive in the lane, but the D was just too good, no homo.

75 days pinked!!!
But yeah, San Antonio did everything they've been doing right, everything they needed to do right and lucked into shooting threes like a fucking layup drill for a game.

[FRpilot]

Originally Posted by Phlip

75 days pinked!!!

Oh I see what you did there

Originally Posted by Phlip

But yeah, San Antonio did everything they've been doing right, everything they needed to do right and lucked into shooting threes like a fucking layup drill for a game.

I hope Parker will be ok. They need him since we all know SA is smart enough to know they can't just depend on playing "three to the head" all series and Manu has been sucking all year!

[Riq]

If you're a Heat fan you're fine with losing by 36points last night. I rather get blown out than to lose by 4 on a last minute lucky shot. Had the Heat played well last night and still been blown off the floor I would be depressed right now but this was simply a perfect storm on unreal play vs horrible play. I don't see lastnight being repeated again and I expect the Heat to respond like the Championship team they are tomorrow night. All and all this has been a fun series to watch.

[Gnnr]

Originally Posted by zooopreme

The Seven Nation Army chant at the end of the game made my night.



Is it wrong that I expected nothing more from your average Heat fan? This is a block on TIAGO SPLITTER. We're talking about a block on TIAGO SPLITTER. Not some big time big man--but Tiago Splitter who can really only brag about his higher FT% this season.

I didn't see you hyping up that Hibbert block on Melo. Or any of Dwight's/JaVale's out of the tall grass blocks. Lebron blocked a back up big man who is rarely a difference maker.

RELAX.

Oh, hi there. I don't know if you've noticed I've been a part of every NBA thread here since I joined Zilvia and a Heat fan since the get go. Maybe you need to go research a little more, as I've commented on other spectacular plays by other players on other teams. But hey, I understand spouting off some random hate everytime you see a Heat fan is in fashion nowadays, says so on the NBA style guide.

Anyways, we played hot garbage last night. No excuse.

[theronin]

At what point is a team given credit for properly executing defense, and making sure players don't get to their favorite spots? Nowadays its a team playing badly, not the other team actually might have done what they practiced and prepared for.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by theronin

At what point is a team given credit for properly executing defense, and making sure players don't get to their favorite spots? Nowadays its a team playing badly, not the other team actually might have done what they practiced and prepared for.

Let the record show that I called it JUST that. Everyone played badly, LeBron was forcibly taken out of his game.

[zooopreme]

Originally Posted by Gnnr

Oh, hi there. I don't know if you've noticed I've been a part of every NBA thread here since I joined Zilvia and a Heat fan since the get go. Maybe you need to go research a little more, as I've commented on other spectacular plays by other players on other teams. But hey, I understand spouting off some random hate everytime you see a Heat fan is in fashion nowadays, says so on the NBA style guide.

Throwing out the "credentials", that's nice. Regardless of which thread you've been commenting on from this year, 3 years ago, or from the beginning of the internet, it's irrelevant because I didn't question your appreciation for the team. Like all Heat fans, I'm sure you've been there forever.

I spoke about Lebron's block on Tiago which has blown up to be one of the best Playoffs blocks of all time and it has even the real Heat loyals coming out to say it was a "clutch" moment. Lebron is a marketing tool. Had it been Tiago vs Sefolosha, you wouldn't have said RIP and put in more hype into it with "long live the king"

Don't get it mixed up now. I dislike most of the Heat's fanbase & from what I've seen in this thread, most of what you say is what a typical fan would say. You try to not be THAT Heat fan but you really stay based to your fandom.

[theronin]

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/06/jimmy-kimmel-heat-fans/


Classic stuff.

[Riq]

Originally Posted by theronin

At what point is a team given credit for properly executing defense, and making sure players don't get to their favorite spots? Nowadays its a team playing badly, not the other team actually might have done what they practiced and prepared for.

Simply because it's obvious that the Heat played themselves out of the game lastnight. Their Defense was one of the worst that I have seen in 24+ Years of watching basketball. Them scoring 77 points had everything to do with their lack of defense ( because their offense feeds off of their defense). The Spurs have had the same game plan since game 1 and it hasn't really worked until game 3 and that had everything to do with Miami acting as if this series was over and they were getting ready to get their next ring. Had the Heat played well and still been killed, people would see things in another light but whether you hate the Heat or not you can't be completely blind to the fact that this game went the way it went because Miami did everything wrong. You have to take your I hate Miami glasses off and look at it through objective eyes. Just the fact that the Spurs got 19 offensive rebounds should show you exactly where Miami's effort was lastnight....

[theronin]

Originally Posted by Riq

Simply because it's obvious that the Heat played themselves out of the game lastnight. Their Defense was one of the worst that I have seen in 24+ Years of watching basketball. Them scoring 77 points had everything to do with their lack of defense ( because their offense feeds off of their defense). The Spurs have had the same game plan since game 1 and it hasn't really worked until game 3 and that had everything to do with Miami acting as if this series was over and they were getting ready to get their next ring. Had the Heat played well and still been killed, people would see things in another light but whether you hate the Heat or not you can't be completely blind to the fact that this game went the way it went because Miami did everything wrong. You have to take your I hate Miami glasses off and look at it through objective eyes. Just the fact that the Spurs got 19 offensive rebounds should show you exactly where Miami's effort was lastnight....

Hasn't really worked until game 3? Its 2-1 they have the next 2 at home, I'd say that's working.

[zooopreme]

Originally Posted by theronin

Jimmy Kimmel pokes fun at Miami Heat bandwagon fans | For The Win


Classic stuff.

Came in here to post this exact segment to prove my point, haha

[Phlip]

^^^ Damn, speaking of tetas los gigante...
yes, I am VERY easily distracted by things like that.

[Riq]

Originally Posted by theronin

Hasn't really worked until game 3? Its 2-1 they have the next 2 at home, I'd say that's working.

Seriously are you trolling right now? Is it that you're trying your best to show how much you are against the Heat? Did you even watch game 1? That game came down to tired legs and a lucky F-ing shot by Tony Parker not a dominating defensive performance by the Spurs. The Heat missed wide open shots, made stupid turnovers and countless mental mistakes that players make when they're out of gas. The Heat outplayed the Spurs in every stat and qtr that game until they ran out of gas at the end. Even the biggest bandwagon Heat hater can see that.... Then again bandwagon Heat haters tend to be blind to facts 99.9% of the time so nevermind...

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by Riq

Even the biggest bandwagon Heat hater can see that.... Then again bandwagon Heat haters tend to be blind to facts 99.9% of the time so nevermind...

Hey, leave me out of this. I started hating the Heat when LeBron arrived and will cease to do so when he is gone

[Riq]

Originally Posted by Phlip

Hey, leave me out of this. I started hating the Heat when LeBron arrived and will cease to do so when he is gone

LMAO! It's all good you are of the few that still keeps perspective despite your hate for Lebron. There are others that just blinding vomit nonsense when they get caught up in the moment. Kinda like that Knick fan that made that "MELO IS A BULLY" Youtube vid. Man I seriously think that was Brolo. After all he has been known to love the Youtube vids...

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by Riq

LMAO! It's all good you are of the few that still keeps perspective despite your hate for Lebron. There are others that just blinding vomit nonsense when they get caught up in the moment. Kinda like that Knick fan that made that "MELO IS A BULLY" Youtube vid. Man I seriously think that was Brolo. After all he has been known to love the Youtube vids...

And in my opinion, if the Heat don't snap out of it - and that means EVERYONE - then their prospects of winning this series are pretty much beastfucked. It doesn't have to be a runaway win or anything, just a win and Bosh and Wade will have to put in on it.

And is ANYONE gonna mention the titties at 2:15 in that video up there, or am the only one allowed to talk about breasts in this thread?

[Riq]

^^^ Agreed

After years of watching porn/being married I'm desensitized to tits on the internet. now if those tits or live and in color that is a whole other story lol! But yes those tits are very Miami lmao... And sadly so are those "fans".

[theronin]

Originally Posted by Riq

^^^ Agreed

After years of watching porn/being married I'm desensitized to tits on the internet. now if those tits or live and in color that is a whole other story lol! But yes those tits are very Miami lmao... And sadly so are those "fans".

Was just in fun. I know you go to any city including LA, and you will find fans like that. In a clip like that you don't show the people who correct you and know what they are talking about, only the ones with the most ridiculous answers. Tonight's game I hope is closer than the last 2 (well in the 3rd n 4th) I wanna see another nail biter like game 1!

[Riq]

Originally Posted by theronin

Was just in fun. I know you go to any city including LA, and you will find fans like that. In a clip like that you don't show the people who correct you and know what they are talking about, only the ones with the most ridiculous answers. Tonight's game I hope is closer than the last 2 (well in the 3rd n 4th) I wanna see another nail biter like game 1!

All too true, Hell I remember watching the Governor or Mayor of Boston that didn't know who Rajon Rondo was. But trust me although there are alot of day 1 real Heat fans in Miami there are also alot of 2010+ fans. It's to be expected because Miami is a transient City. People move here from every part of America and that tends to dilute the fanbase but sometimes I find myself shaking my head at some of the shit that comes out of fan's mouths. I remember my wife's father claiming that the Heat lost to the Pacers on purpose because they wanted to win it here and because it would make them more money. When I told him that the NBA takes away 50% of the gate as well as what the Pacers were doing to beat Miami he said, "Thats what I heard on the radio and they know more than us"... All I could do was and continue to watch the postgame.

[Riq]

Anyone else find it unfair that Jason Kidd has a Head Coaching job just 1 week after calling it quits, yet Patrick Ewing is still stuck playing the assistant role? I think Pat deserves a shot at this point.

[theronin]

Originally Posted by Riq

Anyone else find it unfair that Jason Kidd has a Head Coaching job just 1 week after calling it quits, yet Patrick Ewing is still stuck playing the assistant role? I think Pat deserves a shot at this point.

Unfair for who? For Ewing or for the Nets? I do not think this is a good idea to go straight from being a player right into a head coaching position. Seems very impulsive imo.

[Riq]

My thoughts exactly, I just can't see Jason Kidd turning that team around. Hell he couldn't even get the Knicks to listen to him. Meanwhile Ewing has paid his dues yet he doesn't get a shot at Coaching.

[Gnnr]

Originally Posted by zooopreme

Had it been Tiago vs Sefolosha, you wouldn't have said RIP and put in more hype into it with "long live the king"

Let the record show...

I rest my case.

Originally Posted by theronin

At what point is a team given credit for properly executing defense, and making sure players don't get to their favorite spots? Nowadays its a team playing badly, not the other team actually might have done what they practiced and prepared for.

Obviously, in a blowout situation the winner is the better team because they executed. I thought this goes without saying? I mean, you cant make excuses in a blowout. If its a close game you may be able to find some, because you can point to areas here or there that would have netted you the few extra points to tip the game in your favor. Not possible in a blowout.

Anyways, I stand by my team. Win or lose. I wont doubt them for tonight, I stopped that a long time ago, I leave that to everyone else. I don't mind being taken out if we go down fighting. I want to see the effort being there, not going out with a piss poor attempt.