Drift entrance techniques/form

[Lutz Performance]

Haruguchi highly disagrees lol

[Tearlessj]

Yea but you guys have cool cars.

[Tearlessj]

Of course you can. Some of us just do not like the way it drives. I'll take my reverse rake any day over when my car was "slammed".

[jasoncanseeoh]

Wow, this thread just died completely! I guess everyone knows how to drift now! LOL.

Anyway, quick question, I've tried to upshift mid-drift multiple times already and failed horribly (2nd gear to 3rd gear). And whenever I try to do so, I straighten out. EVEN if I try to upshift fast as hell, still no luck. How do people upshift mid-drift while keeping the same amount of angle (not losing drift)? Flat foot shifting?

Also, I've seen videos of people at Ebisu/Nikko and when they initiate, they initiate in third, then downshift into second. Same question basically.... how do they keep the drift even when they are off the throttle for solid amount of time? I'm guessing lots of angle on initiation or something like that, but if someone can enlighten me, that would be cool!

Here's a vid at Nikko just to explain what the hell I'm talking about. Skip to 1:46 to see the initation.



I mean, it seems simple enough. Initiate in third, then downshift mid-drift. But, for some reason whenever I try to do some shit like this, I straighten out. Is it because I'm not throwing enough angle into it?

So, I asked two questions:
1. How do you upshift mid-drift without losing drift?
2. How do you downshift mid-drift without losing drift?

Any help is appreciated! Thanks dudes.

[LayNLow]

Originally Posted by jasoncanseeoh

Wow, this thread just died completely! I guess everyone knows how to drift now! LOL.

Anyway, quick question, I've tried to upshift mid-drift multiple times already and failed horribly (2nd gear to 3rd gear). And whenever I try to do so, I straighten out. EVEN if I try to upshift fast as hell, still no luck. How do people upshift mid-drift while keeping the same amount of angle (not losing drift)? Flat foot shifting?

Also, I've seen videos of people at Ebisu/Nikko and when they initiate, they initiate in third, then downshift into second. Same question basically.... how do they keep the drift even when they are off the throttle for solid amount of time? I'm guessing lots of angle on initiation or something like that, but if someone can enlighten me, that would be cool!

Here's a vid at Nikko just to explain what the hell I'm talking about. Skip to 1:46 to see the initation.
VIDEO

I mean, it seems simple enough. Initiate in third, then downshift mid-drift. But, for some reason whenever I try to do some shit like this, I straighten out. Is it because I'm not throwing enough angle into it?

So, I asked two questions:
1. How do you upshift mid-drift without losing drift?
2. How do you downshift mid-drift without losing drift?

Any help is appreciated! Thanks dudes.

1: If you dont have a lot of power then you will need to upshift on transitions. Just think ahead of time so you are prepared for it.
2: Once the car is sideways, it will stay that way unless you run out of momentumn/speed. So like someone else said, you can just clutch in put it in second and clutch out, or rev up and clutch out. Whatever is best for that certian corner.

[imput1234]

Originally Posted by jasoncanseeoh

1. How do you upshift mid-drift without losing drift?

Try to be as smooth as possible.

When you let go of the throttle and come back in modulate it accordingly to keep the slide going.
You can also modulate the clutch or clutch-kick to help. But the key is being as smooth as possible, if your too jerky you will straighten out or spin.

Originally Posted by jasoncanseeoh

2. How do you downshift mid-drift without losing drift?[/I][/B]
Any help is appreciated! Thanks dudes.

E-brake or foot brake to slow down, when your in the right rpm range, clutch in and clutch out. Then power over, keep it smooth, the downshift will automatically give you a lot of angle, on top of the angle you gained from slowing down, be ready for that.

Here is a video of me driving (not a 240) but I downshift after the big sweeper from 3nd to 2nd.




and in one of the runs near the end I upshift again to 3rd.

[JesusFreakDrifter]

i love watching the action on this track

[Brian]

up-shift ---- shoot, man, I never had enough power to do it. lol

down shift ---- seemed easy. I guess try and downshift when your RPM is still high enough to kick your tires' ass.

[whyteboi]

I've never gone 2nd to 3rd but from 1st to 2nd I keep my foot down on the gas bang the clutch and smack the trans into gear. I will probably break something soon..... My guess on shifting up would be having lots of power and/or going really really fast.

Downshifting depends on if you want to lock the rear by downshift it not. If you want to break traction with it then just downshift and let the clutch out, the rear will lock. That's pretty hard on car.

If you don't want to lock the rear then you will need to heal toe to keep the revs up and not upset the traction.

I don't know if that helps.

[bataangpinoy]

upshift-> its like a clutch kick. clutch in, select gear, clutch out and hammer down. nano second speed.
downshift- enter really fast, clutch in, let your speed come down and then select gear.

@ jason, i dont know if you noticed, but she grabs the ebrake quickly to keep the tires from grabbing. she's also entering relatively quickly.

[jasoncanseeoh]

Originally Posted by Brian

up-shift ---- shoot, man, I never had enough power to do it. lol

down shift ---- seemed easy. I guess try and downshift when your RPM is still high enough to kick your tires' ass.

Any rev matching at all? I guess I just need to work on timing as to when I downshift, also how quick I downshift.

Originally Posted by bataangpinoy

upshift-> its like a clutch kick. clutch in, select gear, clutch out and hammer down. nano second speed.
downshift- enter really fast, clutch in, let your speed come down and then select gear.

@ jason, i dont know if you noticed, but she grabs the ebrake quickly to keep the tires from grabbing. she's also entering relatively quickly.

When upshifting, you're not flat-footing it, right? Or are you?
And yeah, I noticed that as well, I wasn't sure if she HAD TO grab the e brake or not, that's all.

Looks like I'm gonna have to practice this a lot more!
Thanks for the help so far guys.

[bataangpinoy]

Originally Posted by jasoncanseeoh

Any rev matching at all? I guess I just need to work on timing as to when I downshift, also how quick I downshift.


When upshifting, you're not flat-footing it, right? Or are you?
And yeah, I noticed that as well, I wasn't sure if she HAD TO grab the e brake or not, that's all.

Looks like I'm gonna have to practice this a lot more!
Thanks for the help so far guys.

it depends on the corner. you dont have to grab the ebrake, but it helps some people keep the rear end from coming around too much.

i refer people to https://vimeo.com/20050770. it has a good view of the driver's inputs.

should clear up alot if not all confusion, and its kind of hard to explain over a key board.

[Biggamehit]

ebrake is not a bad thing... it's a technique just like all the others. I to thought using it was seen as lower skill and never relied on it until my sessions with Suenaga San of team orange the same instructor/mentor of Sumika in the video above. I have glanced at this thread and some people seem to think it is though. using the ebrake to drag ass yea.. not good ... but it's a vital tool and a car without a good ebrake is missing a vital correction/initiation tool. Also some of you are explaining how to perform shift lock basically with downshifting mid drift and letting the revs drop.. the downshift should be done within the right range of rpms with enough seat time man it will become second nature..... you don't want to shiftlock unless you are in rain or snow and even still it jolts the hell out of your driveline lol.

[Grenade180sx]

you can down shift mid drift while braking, as stated above, momentum is the key as far as upshifting it depends on the corner, but the faster the shift the better as to gain your speed back.

i use the ebrake often and works well for adjusting my line and angle. people who say its less skill are clearly mistaken and havent driven at higher levels of competition or speed, the ebrake is for running tandem with cars that are slower then you when following.

[Thorough Concepts, LLC]

Originally Posted by Grenade180sx

you can down shift mid drift while braking, as stated above, momentum is the key as far as upshifting it depends on the corner, but the faster the shift the better as to gain your speed back.

i use the ebrake often and works well for adjusting my line and angle. people who say its less skill are clearly mistaken and havent driven at higher levels of competition or speed, the ebrake is for running tandem with cars that are slower then you when following.

+1 watch the in-car vids of D1GP or D1SL and see how much they utilize that ebrake. Once someone knows how to use ebrake well enough they can pretty much place a car wherever they want to.

[240dream]

any tips on linking corners? i can slide a corner but when i go to transition to the next curve it seems like my car whips out to hard and i spin out???

[Grenade180sx]

Originally Posted by 240dream

any tips on linking corners? i can slide a corner but when i go to transition to the next curve it seems like my car whips out to hard and i spin out???

depending on the actually distance to transition on the next corner, i usually lift throttle to get the car to rotate, that way you dont have the "snap effect" as harsh. although with more experience you'll be able to transition harder and stay on throttle for the most part.

so cliff notes

Lift before transitioning
throttle on once car has rotated into the direction you want to go.

[pacotaco345]

Originally Posted by Grenade180sx

depending on the actually distance to transition on the next corner, i usually lift throttle to get the car to rotate, that way you dont have the "snap effect" as harsh. although with more experience you'll be able to transition harder and stay on throttle for the most part.

so cliff notes

Lift before transitioning
throttle on once car has rotated into the direction you want to go.

I always had people tell me this when I asked advice to transition but it just made the problem worse. When I let off the gas the rear end would grip and throw me the other way. I just learned to stay on the gas and feed the wheels a lil more lock to send it the other way.

[!Zar!]

Lifting a little is different from lifting completely.

[240dream]

Originally Posted by !Zar!

Lifting a little is different from lifting completely.

So just lift little wait till I rotate and get in it again? I know tire psi plays some part in spinning out I think im at 50psi with 270hp should I drop it down?

[!Zar!]

A small/moderate lift works. Though it really depends on the corner.

If you have that much power you don't really need to be running such high pressure. Plus it kills your tires faster.

[iamtheyi]

I need some insight into driving at Balcony at Willow Springs. Is the "new" course possible with a stock KA? I've always felt that going around the shack would be impossible because of the lack of power from the KA.

The layout with just the circle before was retarded enough having to clutch kick every two seconds lol.

[xBtony]

Originally Posted by iamtheyi

I need some insight into driving at Balcony at Willow Springs. Is the "new" course possible with a stock KA? I've always felt that going around the shack would be impossible because of the lack of power from the KA.

The layout with just the circle before was retarded enough having to clutch kick every two seconds lol.

Speed. Lol. Enter in 3rd carry as much speed as you can through the first turn and throw it into second on the first transition, ran it last weekend with a stock dual cam and not too many clutch kicks. Thats the way I've been able to get it done at least. Before I used to enter in 2nd and you can still run the whole course but many clutch kicks are needed.

[iamtheyi]

Originally Posted by xBtony

Speed. Lol. Enter in 3rd carry as much speed as you can through the first turn and throw it into second on the first transition, ran it last weekend with a stock dual cam and not too many clutch kicks. Thats the way I've been able to get it done at least. Before I used to enter in 2nd and you can still run the whole course but many clutch kicks are needed.

What size tires and wheels do you run?

[Grenade180sx]

Originally Posted by iamtheyi

What size tires and wheels do you run?

the main thing to remember when running a stock KA or likewise engine. is keep your angle shallow to help keep the speed up, big angle with low power cars results in spins and losing your drift altogether usually.

[tauntdevil]

Originally Posted by iamtheyi

I need some insight into driving at Balcony at Willow Springs. Is the "new" course possible with a stock KA? I've always felt that going around the shack would be impossible because of the lack of power from the KA.

The layout with just the circle before was retarded enough having to clutch kick every two seconds lol.

Definitely possible with a KA. Clutch kick is how most people do it especially the corolla group. I run 225/50R17 all around and sometimes 245 instead though 245 makes it difficult, as long as you are full throttle (which is what you need to do for KA almost all the time) you should be alright.
After a few runs, you will most likely get a feel of what to do in order to keep the wheels going.

[xBtony]

I was driving my buddies car he's got 17x8 with 205/40s, 0 rear camber.

[dreamin240sx]

Drift nirvana drifting summit point WV - YouTube

this is me at summit point wv. first time on the track with my new setup. I went off the track once lol but hey it happens also this is my first drift practice of 2012. enjoy

[whyteboi]

Originally Posted by dreamin240sx

Drift nirvana drifting summit point WV - YouTube

this is me at summit point wv. first time on the track with my new setup. I went off the track once lol but hey it happens also this is my first drift practice of 2012. enjoy

Looks good Nick.

[iamtheyi]

I guess I'll just have to do whatever I can. Full throttle all the time.

No lifting as always I'm guessing?