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It's definitely not for performance reasons, that'd be for sure. I'd dream of having an S13, S14, and S15 in my drive way. But then again driving a RHD car in the US bothers me.
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05-19-2022, 12:46 PM | #13952 |
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Some of you guys that are complaining about the weight of the new Z seemed to have forgotten that the original Z32 TT was over 3500lbs. The new TT Z is also about the same price as the original TT Z 30 years ago and it has over 100 more hp. Wtf do you want? 400hp in a 3000lb chassis at $35k? Not gonna happen lol
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S13 hatch with all Kouki (type x) parts with a KA-T S14 with all Kouki JDM parts with an RB25 S15 Spec R. Curious though why does driving RHD in the US bother you? Never done so myself. Now the question of the day. When the manual supra drops for only a bit more cash, what would be the car to buy? I saw a video of a Z, Zupra and a Mach 1 stang racing and they both left the Z no issue. B58 is no joke. '
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It's just I've been in LHD cars my whole life. Drove a RHD EK Type R hard through a mountain pass and just felt weird not being closer to the center of the road. Also couldn't get my lines right during hard cornering. Maybe just a "just gotta get used to it" thing.
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05-20-2022, 01:06 PM | #13958 |
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That's pretty much BRZ/FRS or a Miata with a turbo.
I don't care what anyone says, I dig the new Z. Retro styling, 400hp, RWD, Manual, fair price. I'd like to have seen a 2+2 but I can't afford to take on more debt.. Wonder if/what dealer markup will be.
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I'm also "meh" on the whole retro fan service Nissan did on the Z... I would've rather seen them do something modern with influences from time attack/ other racing. I just hope Amuse comes out and gives the new Z the 380RS Superleggera treatment: |
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05-21-2022, 12:01 AM | #13960 | |
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Have you priced SVT and Shelby Mustangs? Terminators are $30-40k, hell a Mach 1 is $15-20k. $30k doesn't buy shit these days. 7 year old Challenger R/T is $25k. People want $12k for a clean 350Z. |
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It has chicken bone rods that can't handle boost.it has a tinny trans that can't handle torque. It has garbage tier 5x100 lug pattern and the infamous torque drop. The system blows and sounds like crickets with rickets. New car looks like a Porsche Panamara with downs syndrome. Quote:
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Take a GTR body, put in the new VR30DDTT and RWD Transmissions in it. Standard Infinite/Z brakes, change the body kit up a bit and charge $50k. The uptick in body sales would certianly help keep costs down on the R35. |
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MKV - despite having both a manual and DCT already developed, certified and being sold, Toyota choose not to launch with them. Toyota, the world's 2nd largest automaker also can't develop its own sports car, but has to reskin a fucking BMW - to the point the car uses 5x120 wheel bolts and has BMW iDrive with subscription based Carplay. Nissan - start the hell over.the proportions of the damn car are hideous and it's literally a 20 year old chassis. Toyota, again, why the hell did they partner with Subaru? Then take an already iffy design (flat-4) and make it worse!?? How about damn Honda. Coupe with a K24 for Toyota. Roadster with a K24 for Honda. Us the stronger and smoother S2k trans. Call it a fucking Celica (or Trueno) and S2000 God damn it. |
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05-21-2022, 02:25 AM | #13963 |
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The new Z is literally taken from the playbook of Dodge with the Charger and Challenger...
Keep an existing chassis alive by dressing it in more appealing exterior stylings while adding a bit more horsepower to accommodate for the added weight. Dodge is literally raking in the dough with their Charger and Challenger sales due to the bulk of the tooling being paid off outside of minor cosmetic differences. While the Hellcat is actually pretty damn cool... both cars havent changed much over the years via their exterior change ups. From a business perspective this is great, but for those of us who take notice on a deeper level... yeah, its suicide. buuuuuuuuut folks like us are few and far between so thats not a worry to major manufacturers. |
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You are correct, the LX platform is 20 years old and is printing money for FCA. However, you are wrong to compare what FCA is doing to what Nissan is doing. People WANT large RWD comfortable V8 powered Sedans and Coupes. This segment has been around for 70 years. They want Muscle cars. Even in the 90's the Impala SS, Thunderbird, Cougar and Crown Vic sold very well. FCA is giving enthusiasts, young and old, what they want, that 60's brawler Muscle Car while Ford and Chevy chased Nuremberring numbers turning their Pony cars into European GT Cars. Nissan on the other hand.... Goshen did help by consolidating products and streamlining powertrains. The 350Z was a smashing success. 240SX pricing, exotic styling, Mustang power and pricing while being simple and reliable. Sacrifices where made, namely in weight, driving dynamics and interior quality. But I'm 2003 it was light years ahead of it's direct competitor, the Mustang. The 370Z fixed none of these issues, got uglier and fell far behind the competition. The 400Z fixed none of this and will stylistically age as kindly as a PT Cruiser or 2005 Mustang. Instead of maintaining the existing under structure and proportions with a skin job, they should have ground up redone the body. A 1979 Fox Body Mustang and a 2004 New Edge are the same chassis, but look nothing a like and have very different proportions. That's the jump Nissan needed to do. Nissan is pulling a Disney and trying to sucker you in with stupid nostalgia and superficial throw backs. |
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The car doesnt look that bad and there will be more than enough options to change the exterior. I thought the 350z was ugly when it came out, but I love what Nismo did with it. If you want sub 3000lbs then go buy a GR86..they are the same price as a loaded 240sx SE 25 years ago, but with infinitely better performance out of the box. Yeah the Supra would have been cooler if it wasnt a BMW, but I'm starting to look at it for what it is: a solid platform with a solid engine that is worthy of being a 2J successor. The car kicks ass not only in a straight line, but is very formidable on the circuit..all while being cheaper than the original at $80k in todays dollars. "Oh but the car is not as innovative like the original" we are approaching the pinnacle of ICE and chassis technology and things dont need to be reinvented just to be phased out in 10 years or less by fully electric options. Thats just the reality and I'm just glad we can still get affordable ICE cars with great performance and 3 pedals |
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I don't care they outsourced the engine or the trans or suspension work... I care that they did so soooo fucking lazily that they left the 5x120 (or whatever) fucking hubs and wheel bolts on the damn car. It doesn't even have fucking back seats. Why couldn't they just take their TT V6, one of their Lexus chassis, trim some fat and luxury, grab a MT82 or TR6060 and call it a Supra? Quote:
To lazy to solve wind buffering, offer an off the shelf manual option, nor considerate enough to car about wheel fitment and bolt patterns. They are going through the motions instead of ending passionate and chassis perfection. These are not the same people that came up with the EF and EG Civics the Celica All-Trac, R32 GTR, 300ZX TT, NSX, etc. This is the soleless Disney Sequels trying to stand on the shoulders of greatness and cash in. |
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[QUOTE=Corbic;6417898]Why would it have cost $70k *eyerolls*. A God damn Mid-Engine Corvette with a DCT doesn't even start at $70k.
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Also, Corbic's right. You don't have to kick ass when you're expected to simply do a job. It feels like the hunger that was present in the late-'80s and '90s is completely gone (which makes sense because there are only 13 years left until certain states and countries want nothing but plug-in and full-electric cars). You see it from the Japanese and you see it from the Germans- BMWs are no longer the feelsome, fun cars to drive that they once were, the Japanese are no longer reengineering the wheel to be something spicy and fun*. *I have heard that the CTR is actually pretty damn good. |
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Any thoughts on this Hyundai concept - https://www.motortrend.com/news/hyun...ook-build-now/
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I'd say Nissan and DeLorean had a three some with a elantra N and made that.
Has anyone here driven a BMW M340I? I have been looking at these as a DD. I drive roughly 6 miles a day now (I work from home). Has the B58 with a ZF. Great exhaust note, appears good performance. Thoughts?
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I really want a CT4 V Blackwing but dearly markups have prices those cars far out of my reach. Same for the IS500 My list other than those are Bmw M340i Lexus GS-F 2020 or higher Q50
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- Z - 86 twins - Miata None of the above are part of the horsepower war that the Mustang/Camaro/Charger/Challenger are in because that's not the type of enthusiast they're catering to. At this point beggars can't be choosers anymore. It's either pay for a marked up new car, or pay for an inflated used car, which is obviously more financially favorable than the former.
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