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08-07-2022, 10:12 AM | #13981 | |
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That's part of our problem, right? That statements without context are, by and large, meaningless. For example, some people think steering feel only has to do with immediacy and accuracy. That's their definition and what they look for and anything the steering does beyond that is immaterial. I'm a firm believer that steering feel also includes being able to feel the road surface, both in texture and available grip, and being able to feel the front end grip levels as well so you can balance the car's grip with the road surface's grip. Review after review of the Z say, "yeah, this car doesn't have that level of tactility" That matters to me. I don't commute in my fun cars, I don't do anything but drive them for fun or from fun road to fun road. How they handle transit sections doesn't mean anything- it's a means to an end. I also have zero brand loyalty, I have chassis loyalty. If Geely put out a feelsome, tossable, tactile sports car I'd have a deposit on it yesterday. Other people might like modern sporting cars. I don't, because they're just not fun to me. I crave tactility that they can't provide. |
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08-11-2022, 07:12 PM | #13983 | ||
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Other analysts suggest the market will settle to a new normal of higher than before but still cool off. I'm hoping for more of the former as supply gets higher than demand.
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09-07-2022, 12:32 AM | #13984 |
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I was lucky enough to have a buddy at a local dealer who hit me up when a 23 GR86 Base allocation popped up and I jumped on it. I've been eyeing these since the new gen released really wondering if they were as good as everyone says.
I am not disappointed I jumped at the chance to get one, even if it wasn't completely on my terms. I didn't pay a "markup" on MSRP, but they sold me some little BS that couldn't be optioned off the car so I just ate my pride and paid the small dealer add-on tax. Other placed I had inquired with wanted 5-7k on top of MSRP plus all the normal paperwork fee shit which I refused to pay. Quick impressions from the limited driving I wanted to do tonight: Power: Big talking point for these, overall its not fast, but its not slow. The torque delivery is fantastic, car feels quick. Off throttle then stabbing the pedal its got a great punch that makes it feel was faster than it really is. The clutch is really light, not something I love and led to some awkward starts chirping tires as I got used to it. Cornering/steering feel: Feels planted, even with lil tiny tires. Inputs through the steering wheel are very responsive and have great weight. Inspires a lot of confidence. Can completely understand why so many people like this car for its cornering and feel on the road. Comfort: Quiet interior, my 21 Corolla has more road noise on the stock tires. Seats are bolstered nicely, steering column and seats have good adjustability to get it just right. Shifter throw is short and direct, no nonsense. Like I stated above, the clutch is super light. A/C is great, radio is meh, fake noise speaker isn't that bad at all, barely noticeable with music playing or the windows down. You sit way down in the car, seems like a great place to spend time and enjoy driving. Already have some parts on the way, just figured I'd give my 2cents as affordable, fun cars continue to fade away.
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09-07-2022, 06:40 AM | #13985 | |
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Those are going to make killer project cars when they get 2010's S-chassis prices.
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09-30-2022, 10:18 PM | #13987 | |
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I saw the same markups, but we have a few dealers willing to sell at MSRP too. Just got lucky with a friend at a dealer who reached out and got me an allocation at MSRP. Again it comes back to the supply of these being so scarce, seems most people won't wait and just pay the insane markup to get into one for the "hype" of it. I'd never consider paying $40k for one of these, even knowing how good they are.
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10-03-2022, 12:15 PM | #13988 | |
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12-12-2022, 12:47 PM | #13990 | |
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It's 2022. FR-S came out in 2013? Typical price is $13,000. Blown Engine or Salvage Title for $7k. In 2005 a 1994 240sx in great running condition was universally $4k. A roller or basket case for $1k Inflation Calculator - in $4k in 2005 is $6,100 in 2022. Likewise, $13,000 today is nearly $9,000 in 2005. 240sx was able to fly under the radar for a decade because drifting and the internet didn't exist. The sucky stock engine generally lead to no one carrying until the swap craze and drifting took off in the mid 2000s. The FRS unfortunately quickly became a hype car with plenty of guys happy stance them out despite the trash can motor. At least KA's didn't spin rod bearings with extreme regularity. Production numbers of 86 cars is also significantly less than 240s. Thank God we got a second generation of GR cars, and hopefully that will soldier on another 6 years. But I foresee by the time you feel like an 86 is "throw away cheap"; their value will skyrocket as people chase the "last JDM FR car" nostalgia as everything on the horizon sucks balls. |
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12-14-2022, 08:14 AM | #13993 |
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12-14-2022, 11:33 AM | #13994 |
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My Evo 9 recently got hit by a drunk driver and fortunately it is getting repaired, but I began thinking about what could replace it if it was totaled.
https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/gr-corolla 300hp 273ft lbs (295ft lbs for Morizo) 6 spd manual AWD with variable torque distributing center diff Curb Weight: 3269 lb The GR Corolla is more of an Evo than the last Evo was. A Core with the performance and technology package (+$1,950 which gives you front/rear torsen diffs, red calipers and JBL audio) comes out to $38k MSRP. |
12-14-2022, 02:29 PM | #13995 | |
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12-15-2022, 01:44 PM | #13996 |
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Toyota has said outright that they don't even want to sell the damn things. They're limiting production just to keep it 'exclusive' and more or less encouraging the ADMs. Utter nonsense. You can't even search GR Corolla inventory from Toyota.com.
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12-21-2022, 10:52 AM | #13997 |
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12-29-2022, 12:52 AM | #13999 |
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Never understood this new mantra of selling less of the things that buyers want.
If demand is low, so be it. But if you can sell something quick and fast and there's a waiting list why not deliver on the demand?
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12-29-2022, 10:54 AM | #14000 |
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Focus RS vs GR Corolla
Focus RS 2016-2018 2.3-liter four-cylinder 350 hp, 350 lb-ft All-wheel drive Six-speed manual Curb wt. 3434 lbs. 22/19/26 combined/city/hwy mpg 0-60 4.5 seconds 1/4 mile 13.4 sec @ 103 $30-40k Average on BAT $29-38k on CL GR Corolla Circuit 2023 1.6-liter three-cylinder 300 hp, 273 lb-ft All-wheel drive Six-speed manual Curb wt. 3269 lbs. 24/21/28 combined/city/hwy mpg 0-60 4.9 seconds 1/4 mile 13.3 sec @ 105 Availability/Price??
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Haven’t posted in years. Here I go.
https://www.autoblog.com/2023/01/26/...eo-steps-down/ Skip Toyoda stepping down is very bad for us enthusiasts. This man is responsible for us even having the 86, Corolla GR and Supra. We’ll see what happens in the future.
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01-26-2023, 12:28 PM | #14002 | |
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Makes me wonder if this generation will have the same burning nostalgia in the future as the 90's/00's are now. I also wonder if my future self will regret not buying a new GR Corolla or manual Supra right now lol |
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01-26-2023, 03:56 PM | #14003 |
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Yeah I wasn’t implying they are going to just cut them now, but I certainly can’t see any future development beyond what’s already done now that the car guy is out.
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02-22-2023, 09:10 AM | #14005 | |
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02-25-2023, 04:29 PM | #14006 | |
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Never going to happen at $16-20k. https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/...arket?slide=14 |
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02-26-2023, 08:20 AM | #14007 | |
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08-15-2023, 07:19 PM | #14009 |
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yah know... id buy a damn Nissan Kicks in a heartbeat IF THEY OFFERED IT IN STICK IN THE US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Course Europe gets it with a "row your own gear" transmission along with a 155hp turbo charged motor. Here... eh, we get a ticking time bomb for a transmission. |
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