love in this club was made on garageband.

[CAPoweredS14]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Ok this is just pure ignorance. First off a person cannot just step up to a sampler/drum machine or computer and just program good beats. It actually takes musical timing skill and practice. Just like I stated earlier, whether using a sample based program or creating your own samples or programming beats it does take musical timing and skill. On top of that there are real instruments in hip hop and rap. If you think a sampled instrument is not real your just a dumb ass. A sampled instrument is a sample of real instrument. If I play a bass line and then record it to digital audio it is essence a sample. If I loop it in a verse so I can write other stuff on top it still does not change the fact that the sound came from a real instrument. In R&B and hip hop they use a lot of samples of real instruments whether it be a lifted riff from a classic hit or something they wrote themselves. I am not saying the current R&B and hip hop scene is that good from a musical standpoint in fact I think a lot of it is crap. Though if your going to comment on it with statements like you wrote above you just look like ignorant and biased.

If you think drum machines take skill your a dumbass, end of discussion. If you record on any one of those programs you get a click track to use to keep time. Four year olds play guitar hero and own, same concept. Get serious man, I'm wondering if you've even been in a studio to see the process or be a part in it. Not putting you down on that, just saying if you have, you wouldn't spout ignorance. I've recorded, help record, and made background sounds for my guitar riffs and such. And it takes longer to wipe my ass than make a background track of simulated instruments. I know it was recorded from real life, but when you press a button and can make a pinch harmonic that actually takes precision, your not doing anything special.

[!Zar!]

Oh wow...

And...

Wait for it...

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by CAPoweredS14

If you think drum machines take skill your a dumbass, end of discussion. If you record on any one of those programs you get a click track to use to keep time. Four year olds play guitar hero and own, same concept. Get serious man, I'm wondering if you've even been in a studio to see the process or be a part in it. Not putting you down on that, just saying if you have, you wouldn't spout ignorance. I've recorded, help record, and made background sounds for my guitar riffs and such. And it takes longer to wipe my ass than make a background track of simulated instruments. I know it was recorded from real life, but when you press a button and can make a pinch harmonic that actually takes precision, your not doing anything special.

Listen you little insolent punk I was making music when you were in diapers. I don't use a click track and you talk like stupid ignorant rock and country music boys. I studied Piano as a child, I am a trained sound engineer( certificate in Pro Tools from Digidesign as well) and producer and have worked in many studios. Your above statements show your technologically ignorant.
The fact that you think I am spouting ignorance shows me you have a complete lack of understanding of the engineering process. Plus a less than rudimentary knowledge of the recording process. Besides telling a engineer to push start on the tape machine or the space bar of digital audio work station. I suggest you shut the fuck up before you dig your hole any deeper.

Oh and a four year old playing guitar hero could not even step close and the fact that you made that statement shows your the ignorant one.

Oh and I should add keeping time is a skill and anyone worth a damn programming a MPC knows how to keep time.

P.S. At the last Society of Composers meeting I chose to attend a majority of film composers were using Logic and Pro Tools oh but they would not know how to write. Hans Zimmer would not know how to write. BT would not know how to write. Hmmm they score films and I can gurantee you they are very well trained musicians and they use samplers. drum machines and lots of other things and BT was a graduate of Berkeley school of Music.

[infinitexsound]

violence on zilvia... beats the hills any daymn day....this is great.... ehehhehe


the come back follows

[!Zar!]

Ahh...

There we go.

<3 you Davie.

[ESmorz]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Listen you little insolent punk I was making music when you were in diapers. I don't use a click track and you talk like stupid ignorant rock and country music boys. I studied Piano as a child, I am a trained sound engineer( certificate in Pro Tools from Digidesign as well) and producer and have worked in many studios. Your above statements show your technologically ignorant.
The fact that you think I am spouting ignorance shows me you like a complete lack of understanding of the engineering process. Plus a less than rudimentary knowledge of the recording process. Besides telling a engineer to push start on the tape machine or the space bar of digital audio work station. I suggest you shut the fuck up before you dig your hole any deeper.

Oh and a four year playing guitar hero could not even step close and the fact that you made that statement shows your the ignorant one.

The owned hammer came down.

...and I loved it.

[CAPoweredS14]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Listen you little insolent punk I was making music when you were in diapers. I don't use a click track and you talk like stupid ignorant rock and country music boys. I studied Piano as a child, I am a trained sound engineer( certificate in Pro Tools from Digidesign as well) and producer and have worked in many studios. Your above statements show your technologically ignorant.
The fact that you think I am spouting ignorance shows me you have a complete lack of understanding of the engineering process. Plus a less than rudimentary knowledge of the recording process. Besides telling a engineer to push start on the tape machine or the space bar of digital audio work station. I suggest you shut the fuck up before you dig your hole any deeper.

Oh and a four year old playing guitar hero could not even step close and the fact that you made that statement shows your the ignorant one.

Oh and I should add keeping time is a skill and anyone worth a damn programming a MPC knows how to keep time.

This can go back and forth because I could easily say, "You thinking I'm thinking your ignorant shows your ignorance." But that would take it where you want and thats a bit childish so I'll just say I was calling people insolent before you found your dick. Does that change things or even begin to understand someone else's point of view in a discussion? No. When you are in a conversation do you get high and mighty when someone disagrees? Again, no. Because you were so quick so start really talking shit I see that internet posts are easy for you to get away with things that normally would only be pipe dreams in the real world.


But I'll end it all by saying that I was wrong in assuming other people had the capacity to see someone else's point of view and when it comes to music, and just plain and simple logic. I'll go back to pressing the space bar and record the next big ringtone so I can buy those Weds wheels I want so bad... Now I've found out how to get ahead, you should give up your degrees and certs and just press the comma button too once in a awhile. Maybe you wouldn't have so many run-ons..

[kdashy]

Originally Posted by infinitexsound

violence on zilvia... beats the hills any daymn day....this is great.... ehehhehe

Bullshit, will Heidi finally get married to Spencer?!?!

AHHHHHH

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by CAPoweredS14

This can go back and forth because I could easily say, "You thinking I'm thinking your ignorant shows your ignorance." But that would take it where you want and thats a bit childish so I'll just say I was calling people insolent before you found your dick. Does that change things or even begin to understand someone else's point of view in a discussion? No. When you are in a conversation do you get high and mighty when someone disagrees? Again, no. Because you were so quick so start really talking shit I see that internet posts are easy for you to get away with things that normally would only be pipe dreams in the real world.


But I'll end it all by saying that I was wrong in assuming other people had the capacity to see someone else's point of view and when it comes to music, and just plain and simple logic. I'll go back to pressing the space bar and record the next big ringtone so I can buy those Weds wheels I want so bad... Now I've found out how to get ahead, you should give up your degrees and certs and just press the comma button too once in a awhile. Maybe you wouldn't have so many run-ons..

Your point of view is to call everything done outside your realm of comprehension untalented and not music. I came at you because you spoke in ignorance of technology. I am not thinking you think I am ignorant. You basically called me ignorant.

I have nearly 20 years on you young man and you speak like a cock sure foolish young child.
I ripped you a new ass because you had it coming. The only come back you could try to come back with, was to comment on a few missed punctuation marks.
Also trying to call me childish, when your the one acting childish.
I know many guitar players, that are more talented than you could ever wish to be and they do not shun technology like you do.

Oh and its not so much understanding your point of view, I completely understand it. Its rooted in shear ignorance of Music Technology, in its current state. Its right out of the eary 70's and to be honest, only hicks usually talk that way. Oh shit, sorry your from Texas, I guess that explains it.

[!Zar!]

[MikeisNissan]

coldddd blooooooded!

[240love^_^]

Ooohh man.

[lflkajfj12123]

if you kiss boys, you won't get chapped lips -womenbeshoppin

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

is this REALLY what rap has turned into?

[ame]http://youtube.com/watch?v=V5ULgq2-_cM[/ame]

[MikeisNissan]

what the fuck is that ^

[MikeisNissan]

what the fuck Jordans is it wearing..

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Originally Posted by infinitexsound

u got ur genre all mixed up, hip-hop is a culture... rap is what souljah boy is... souljah boy doesn't promote positive culture... the least...most of the stuff you see on Mtv is major pop culture rap anyhow...

What do u guys think should i start spinning again...? havent done it since high school... procrastinating of purchasing a technics setup and final cut...

maybe i can be a millionaire with one song.. one song is all i ask...then i can retire in thailand..

Rap as a genre is kind of a dying breed. There's not very many real rappers out there anymore. I was listening to my Sirius and Soulja Boy was going on and on about how he's promoting hip hop lifestyle through his music. Some of these fucks actually think that they are on the same level as Common and Blackstar. The host even said hip hop evolved....lol. I then changed the channel because it was making me sick. We serioulsy need to create a name for that type of music so they don't try to group themselves in with the legends.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Originally Posted by MikeisNissan

what the fuck is that ^

he's in the hood man. In the hoooooood.

[MikeisNissan]

pop messagelength

[MikeisNissan]

I know he's in the "hood"?!? I'm freaking out man..

[S13Boosts]

Originally Posted by Mi Beardo es Loco

is this REALLY what rap has turned into?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=V5ULgq2-_cM

someone shoot that guy

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Originally Posted by MikeisNissan

I know he's in the "hood"?!? I'm freaking out man..

seriously man, I don't know why this guys is not an internet PHENOM by now. But he's in the hood man. In the hood.

[MikeisNissan]

< Needs to buy his cd now. And need to know where he got those fresh J's.

[JeremyR]

i wanna know which hood he's from, thats the hood i wanna live

[MikeisNissan]

Did you see those trees in his hood? I haven't seen any trees that potent before..

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

even the squirrels are in the hoooooooood.

what cracks me up is the green screen shots. lol. in the hood with a sunset view of a Canada sunset in the background. so cheezy.

[CAPoweredS14]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Your point of view is to call everything done outside your realm of comprehension untalented and not music. I came at you because you spoke in ignorance of technology. I am not thinking you think I am ignorant. You basically called me ignorant.

I have nearly 20 years on you young man and you speak like a cock sure foolish young child.
I ripped you a new ass because you had it coming. The only come back you could try to come back with, was to comment on a few missed punctuation marks.
Also trying to call me childish, when your the one acting childish.
I know many guitar players, that are more talented than you could ever wish to be and they do not shun technology like you do.

Oh and its not so much understanding your point of view, I completely understand it. Its rooted in shear ignorance of Music Technology, in its current state. Its right out of the eary 70's and to be honest, only hicks usually talk that way. Oh shit, sorry your from Texas, I guess that explains it.

Alright old guy. You must need the self esteem boost if you call using big words and bragging about your accomplishments in learning a program. You have absolutely no idea of any of my skills yet you already take stabs at them. I guess the young thundacats like myself that stay rooted and don't rely on tech to help us are giving you worn out dudes a run for your money if you gotta supplement with it. Ignorance of technology? GTFO out with that shit pops, I'm IT at NASA down here in Tejas @ JSC. I routinely maintain the network that holds their ideas, plans, and secrets. NASA gave the average Joe his technology. So already you put your foot in your mouth assuming I was ignorant. I make money and bought a house at 23 years of age with my "ignorance" of technology that Cisco seems to think otherwise. Maybe when it comes to my hobby and feeling that people like Chuck Barry and B.B. King had it right with just using good old skill. Personally I use a digital delay, talk box, loop effects to layer, but I really like a good riff over it all. Some things, I just like to keep it simple.

This pissing match can end whenever you want it to. Unless something here at work goes down, I'm bored for the next 10 hours. Flight freeze doesn't allow us to do much work.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by CAPoweredS14

This pissing match can end whenever you want it to. Unless something here at work goes down, I'm bored for the next 10 hours. Flight freeze doesn't allow us to do much work.

^^^This pissing match WILL end right now.

... or the whole thread can, I mean you've not done much more than try to assure yourself how much better than everyone else because you don't use a DAW to make your music...

[stiizy]

Originally Posted by Mi Beardo es Loco

is this REALLY what rap has turned into?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=V5ULgq2-_cM

yo his dances are fucking funny as hell!! i hope he aint got a deal cause if he does then i need one too..

On another note.. Music is Music if you don't like it.. Don't fucking listen to it plain and simple!!


"And need to know where he got those fresh J's" and i think those are black and white 13's



100 ghetto booty's in the hood!!!lol

[just1pepsi]

My brothers band mates dad showed up chuck berry on a radio show un in Tulsa back in the day, Chuck refused to play anymore and left. If you wanna hear some old school stuff, check out Jack o' diamonds - John Lee Hooker. They were taken off of original recordings on paper tape, Its just John and his guitar and him stomping his foot for time. Pretty classic stuff. remasted on cd (obviously)

being a half-ass musician, I tend to prefer music played by actual musicians using instruments. I dont care alot for the punch-ins and multi-layering that appears in most mastered material. I guess its just not as honest to me. I think that if you cannot play it live, you shouldnt put it on a record.
All the work that goes into "engineering" a record is substantial, and difficult in its own right though. I respect that process as well, but I believe it is quite a bit different than the actual creation of the art.

Its liken it to that of a painter which paints with a brush and paint on a canvas, then someone comes along w/ a computer, scans it in and uses photoshop to "touch up" the art. Does it really make it "better?"