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916S14 · 09-03-2007, 01:15 PM

well zapped the top nut with the impact once, and the noise went away, thanks 240on430. Now to get rid of the clunk when i turn. I emailed Stance about it, but they didnt get baclk to me. And i also bought mine at a shop near San Francisco. so hopefully they dont hassle me about where i bought it. i'll post how it goes.

240on430 · 09-03-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 916S14

i know its not the exhause for sure because its coming from the front, it sounds like the strut is moving... but i know its no because i had my friend drive my car while i checked everything out, i have no yet torqued the top nut down yet, so i'll try to zap it lightly with a torque gun.

fwiw, I can see 4 threads left after tightening the top nut down on the old and new mounts.

916S14 · 09-03-2007, 04:37 PM

yeah i tightened mine and you can see about 4 or 3 1/2 threads. Thanks man.

240on430 · 09-03-2007, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 916S14

well zapped the top nut with the impact once, and the noise went away, thanks 240on430. Now to get rid of the clunk when i turn. I emailed Stance about it, but they didnt get baclk to me. And i also bought mine at a shop near San Francisco. so hopefully they dont hassle me about where i bought it. i'll post how it goes.

they might be waiting for the other people to report back.

916S14 · 09-03-2007, 06:01 PM

Hey 240on430, you said you bought yours from some shop right? not from the actual Stance company? So when you called to get your new mounts, they didnt ask where your bought and if you had warranty or not?

240on430 · 09-03-2007, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 916S14

Hey 240on430, you said you bought yours from some shop right? not from the actual Stance company? So when you called to get your new mounts, they didnt ask where your bought and if you had warranty or not?

ya i told them where and when i bought them.

they didn't ask about a warranty.

916S14 · 09-03-2007, 09:30 PM

sweet, thank you man, i'm trying to get a hold of them, but its labor day, so yeah. Tomorrow hopefully. I'll post results.

chuonthis · 09-04-2007, 02:46 PM

Called Stance earlier today. They said they'd send out my replacement mounts today or tomorrow. They had my name and address on file because I emailed them before but they did ask where I got them from but that was it. Will report back when I get them.

*NemeGuero* · 09-04-2007, 03:19 PM

Can someone PM me the contact info you guys used to get ahold of stance to express your issues?

I'm having the same problems but I have the full circle mounts. WTF

916S14 · 09-04-2007, 03:50 PM

Still no reply from Stance =(. But today i noticed a new problem. Every time i drive into a steep driveway or make a hard turn the BACK coilovers make that sounds. It sounds the same as the "boing" from the front, but now its coming from the back. I did the 2 turns of preload and all that BS. Dont know whats happening.... Any ideas? thanks.

ewuzh · 09-04-2007, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by chuonthis

Called Stance earlier today. They said they'd send out my replacement mounts today or tomorrow. They had my name and address on file because I emailed them before but they did ask where I got them from but that was it. Will report back when I get them.

Coo. They just told me they are sending me a set too. I hope it fixes everything.

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Originally Posted by NemeGuero

Can someone PM me the contact info you guys used to get ahold of stance to express your issues?

I'm having the same problems but I have the full circle mounts. WTF

I just went to their website, Stance-usa.com. The contact info is all there.

916S14 · 09-04-2007, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NemeGuero

Can someone PM me the contact info you guys used to get ahold of stance to express your issues?

I'm having the same problems but I have the full circle mounts. WTF

I called Stance and they said that it doesnt matter which mounts it is, the full of 2/3 cirlce ones. They said thats its a bad bearing and they are replacing everyones that calls in. Good luck.

*NemeGuero* · 09-04-2007, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 916S14

I called Stance and they said that it doesnt matter which mounts it is, the full of 2/3 cirlce ones. They said thats its a bad bearing and they are replacing everyones that calls in. Good luck.

sweet, thanks for that.

240on430 · 09-04-2007, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 916S14

Still no reply from Stance =(. But today i noticed a new problem. Every time i drive into a steep driveway or make a hard turn the BACK coilovers make that sounds. It sounds the same as the "boing" from the front, but now its coming from the back. I did the 2 turns of preload and all that BS. Dont know whats happening.... Any ideas? thanks.

do you have the rear helper springs? I also hear a noise from the coilovers in the rear when going up or down a driveway on 3 wheels. I think its the helper spring compressing all the way and the metal to metal makes the noise we hear. it doesn't bother me though.I can't remember if I hear the noise when the 4th wheel goes off the ground or goes down.

916S14 · 09-05-2007, 09:49 AM

No i dont have helper springs. And yeah it makes that noise when the rear wheel goes off the ground. Makes a BOING sounds like the spring is settling in there or moving around or binding.... still trying to figure that one out. any help would be great! =)

davidrools · 09-06-2007, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 916S14

Still no reply from Stance =(. But today i noticed a new problem. Every time i drive into a steep driveway or make a hard turn the BACK coilovers make that sounds. It sounds the same as the "boing" from the front, but now its coming from the back. I did the 2 turns of preload and all that BS. Dont know whats happening.... Any ideas? thanks.

any chance you're driving a HICAS equipped s13?

davidrools · 09-06-2007, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by misfitsfreak81

so i will ask once again, how have you been keeping the shaft from turning when adjusting/removing the top nut. and please dont say you grabbed the shaft with vise grips. thanks.

mike

if you don't have an impact wrench, a big (i mean BIG) pair of channelocks will let you hold the top spring perch (gold piece) which is fixed to the shaft/male threads. kind of awkward to get up there, i haven't tried it myself but just wanted to offer that suggestion. big channelocks also work great to compress a brake piston when you're replacing pads.

916S14 · 09-06-2007, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by davidrools

any chance you're driving a HICAS equipped s13?

nope... driving an s14. Still having that noise issue. Tried to look at it yesterday, but cant figure it out. Can it be the rear top mount be messed up too?

Munch · 09-06-2007, 06:32 PM

For people still looking for ways to torque the top nut on the shocks, refer to an earlier post i made.

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Originally Posted by Munch

BTW, for people looking for how to torque the top nut without the piston spinning. The way i did it was i got one of my spanner wrenches, put it in position on the upper spring perch, and wedged it up against the wall of the area where the shock goes. The wrench stops the piston from rotating so u can torque away.

misfitsfreak81 · 09-06-2007, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by davidrools

if you don't have an impact wrench, a big (i mean BIG) pair of channelocks will let you hold the top spring perch (gold piece) which is fixed to the shaft/male threads. kind of awkward to get up there, i haven't tried it myself but just wanted to offer that suggestion. big channelocks also work great to compress a brake piston when you're replacing pads.

yeah i have airtools and all that. zapped it with the impact gun till about 4 threads show. still have the noise, not as bad though. i have the full circle mounts as well. anyone else starting to wish they had a gotten different coilovers?

im calling them tomorrow to try and get replacement mounts.
mike

D1GP · 09-06-2007, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Munch

For people still looking for ways to torque the top nut on the shocks, refer to an earlier post i made.

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Originally Posted by Munch

Originally Posted by Munch View Post
BTW, for people looking for how to torque the top nut without the piston spinning. The way i did it was i got one of my spanner wrenches, put it in position on the upper spring perch, and wedged it up against the wall of the area where the shock goes. The wrench stops the piston from rotating so u can torque away.

when i originally done that months ago, it worked in stopping the piston from spinning but when i tried it most recently (after i tried flipping the spring upside down), i was no longer able to keep that piston from spinning even with the spanner wrench jammed up there. any clue to what is happening?

Rocklobster · 09-10-2007, 02:42 PM

Hey guys,

I found this thread from a reference.

Us FC3s RX-7 guys are having the same issue with our camber plate top pillowball mounts. Seems like a batch of systems shipped late july and through Aug all have siezed or bad pillowballs.

It's not just your nissan setups.

Sounds like stance is working hard to resolve this though. They said they would send out replacements as soon as they had them in....

240on430 · 09-10-2007, 02:50 PM

^^^

thanks for posting. are you rx guys hearing the noise on the rear also?

can you post the link to the stance coilover problems thread?

Rocklobster · 09-10-2007, 03:53 PM

I've not had any abnormal noise other than the springs poping and binding in the front end from the bad pillowballs.

I guess i should say that between race exhaust, poly motor, subframe, and trany mounts. Intake noise and all the other stuff that transmits more noise to the cabin i havnt noticed anything that stood out. I'm used to noisy car, but i could tell this issue with my front suspension wasnt right not just fromt he horrible noise created by the coils binding and loading axially but also from all the wicked steering side effects.

chuonthis · 09-10-2007, 03:57 PM

I just got off the phone with Stance. I asked them to check on the status of my replacement mounts which they said they would send out last Tue or Wed. They said they hadn't sent them out yet because they didn't have any in stock and were waiting for a shipment of them which would be in "within the next week." Grr...

The real reason I called though was because my coilovers are so bouncy. Not sure if I should use this thread to describe it but here it is: even on the smoothest roads, I am bouncing up and down, especially when I'm driving under 40 mph. It's sometimes like a teeter-totter effect. Other times, it's just the whole car bouncing. With any stiffness setting of 1-7, I pretty much bounce nonstop throughout all roads and freeways. With a setting of 8-13, it's not as bouncy but it's still there, "just stiffened". It's pretty embarrassing driving in a parking lot now since I'm basically bouncing through the parking lot and then when I turn, the springs pop. I've ridden in other S14s with Stance coilovers and they were all normal. Has anyone else had this problem?

I'm guessing I have a blown damper somewhere but I can't really see anything in my visual checks. I was going to test out the front dampers when I replaced the front mounts but now that's gonna be at least another 2 weeks, so I guess I'll just check them sooner. ::sigh::

Rocklobster · 09-10-2007, 03:59 PM

One other thought, i doubt that the 2/3 vs full circle has anything to do with this problem. It looks to me like the "cut" edge of the circle might be a newer design feature to maximize camber adjustability on your cars. And perhaps when they changed the design they changed the manufacturere and the tollerances got messed up. This is all just my guess.

Rocklobster · 09-10-2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chuonthis

I just got off the phone with Stance. I asked them to check on the status of my replacement mounts which they said they would send out last Tue or Wed. They said they hadn't sent them out yet because they didn't have any in stock and were waiting for a shipment of them which would be in "within the next week." Grr...

Stance is telling me the same thing. But hey, at least they are after it and going to help, and responded to my e-mail the same day.

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The real reason I called though was because my coilovers are so bouncy. Not sure if I should use this thread to describe it but here it is: even on the smoothest roads, I am bouncing up and down, especially when I'm driving under 40 mph. It's sometimes like a teeter-totter effect. Other times, it's just the whole car bouncing. With any stiffness setting of 1-7, I pretty much bounce nonstop throughout all roads and freeways. With a setting of 8-13, it's not as bouncy but it's still there, "just stiffened". It's pretty embarrassing driving in a parking lot now since I'm basically bouncing through the parking lot and then when I turn, the springs pop. I've ridden in other S14s with Stance coilovers and they were all normal. Has anyone else had this problem?

I'm guessing I have a blown damper somewhere but I can't really see anything in my visual checks. I was going to test out the front dampers when I replaced the front mounts but now that's gonna be at least another 2 weeks, so I guess I'll just check them sooner. ::sigh::

This is a classic symptom of too much preload on the springs. Also adding preload will never do anything to cure the problem of a siezed pillow ball or one with too litle clearance and in fact wont help at all. Becauset he car loads the springs the same amount when the car is on its tires regardless of preload.

The shaft nut being too loose can cause the same kind of springs rotating in thier perches problem. It could also be a blown damper but, if the system is relativly new it's more likely that there is too much preload.

The only reason you preload the springs at all is so they dont shift around when the suspension unloads (when the car is on a lift or something) thus changing your alignment.

Your suposed to only have enough preload so you really have to muscle the springs with both hands to get them to turn in the perches when the tires are off the ground.

chuonthis · 09-10-2007, 04:13 PM

^^^ Running zero preload all around. Each spring barely can't move up and down. Before all this spring popping, I had it at 2 full turns of preload (as recommended in the install sheet) and same problem. I have GR+Pros with helper springs in the rear but I'm pretty sure they compress all the way on load.

overb0ost · 09-10-2007, 04:19 PM

i've read that 1/4" preload is probably the max you should go on these springs.

however, stance recommends 0 preload.

im running 1/4" and i find it alright.

Rocklobster · 09-10-2007, 04:21 PM

I see. Then your probably right, and have one or more blown dampers.

To be honest that is what worries me the most about this issue. Is that all the axial spring loading and having the shaft turn in the damper when steering will prematurely tear up the dampers seals, etc.... I was also worried it might potentially yield the springs in some way.

What a mess......ugh....

09-04-2007, 03:19 PM	#129
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 40 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	Can someone PM me the contact info you guys used to get ahold of stance to express your issues? I'm having the same problems but I have the full circle mounts. WTF __________________

09-10-2007, 02:50 PM	#143
240on430 Zilvia Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: San Francisco Posts: 230 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^^^ thanks for posting. are you rx guys hearing the noise on the rear also? can you post the link to the stance coilover problems thread? Last edited by 240on430; 09-10-2007 at 03:24 PM..

09-03-2007, 01:15 PM	#121
916S14 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 416 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	well zapped the top nut with the impact once, and the noise went away, thanks 240on430. Now to get rid of the clunk when i turn. I emailed Stance about it, but they didnt get baclk to me. And i also bought mine at a shop near San Francisco. so hopefully they dont hassle me about where i bought it. i'll post how it goes.

09-03-2007, 04:37 PM	#123
916S14 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 416 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yeah i tightened mine and you can see about 4 or 3 1/2 threads. Thanks man.

09-03-2007, 06:01 PM	#125
916S14 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 416 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hey 240on430, you said you bought yours from some shop right? not from the actual Stance company? So when you called to get your new mounts, they didnt ask where your bought and if you had warranty or not?

09-03-2007, 09:30 PM	#127
916S14 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 416 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	sweet, thank you man, i'm trying to get a hold of them, but its labor day, so yeah. Tomorrow hopefully. I'll post results.

09-04-2007, 02:46 PM	#128
chuonthis Zilvia Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 167 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Called Stance earlier today. They said they'd send out my replacement mounts today or tomorrow. They had my name and address on file because I emailed them before but they did ask where I got them from but that was it. Will report back when I get them.

09-04-2007, 03:50 PM	#130
916S14 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 416 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Still no reply from Stance =(. But today i noticed a new problem. Every time i drive into a steep driveway or make a hard turn the BACK coilovers make that sounds. It sounds the same as the "boing" from the front, but now its coming from the back. I did the 2 turns of preload and all that BS. Dont know whats happening.... Any ideas? thanks.

09-05-2007, 09:49 AM	#135
916S14 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 416 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	No i dont have helper springs. And yeah it makes that noise when the rear wheel goes off the ground. Makes a BOING sounds like the spring is settling in there or moving around or binding.... still trying to figure that one out. any help would be great! =)

09-10-2007, 02:42 PM	#142
Rocklobster Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Minnesota Age: 47 Posts: 5 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hey guys, I found this thread from a reference. Us FC3s RX-7 guys are having the same issue with our camber plate top pillowball mounts. Seems like a batch of systems shipped late july and through Aug all have siezed or bad pillowballs. It's not just your nissan setups. Sounds like stance is working hard to resolve this though. They said they would send out replacements as soon as they had them in....

09-10-2007, 03:53 PM	#144
Rocklobster Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Minnesota Age: 47 Posts: 5 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I've not had any abnormal noise other than the springs poping and binding in the front end from the bad pillowballs. I guess i should say that between race exhaust, poly motor, subframe, and trany mounts. Intake noise and all the other stuff that transmits more noise to the cabin i havnt noticed anything that stood out. I'm used to noisy car, but i could tell this issue with my front suspension wasnt right not just fromt he horrible noise created by the coils binding and loading axially but also from all the wicked steering side effects.

09-10-2007, 03:57 PM	#145
chuonthis Zilvia Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 167 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I just got off the phone with Stance. I asked them to check on the status of my replacement mounts which they said they would send out last Tue or Wed. They said they hadn't sent them out yet because they didn't have any in stock and were waiting for a shipment of them which would be in "within the next week." Grr... The real reason I called though was because my coilovers are so bouncy. Not sure if I should use this thread to describe it but here it is: even on the smoothest roads, I am bouncing up and down, especially when I'm driving under 40 mph. It's sometimes like a teeter-totter effect. Other times, it's just the whole car bouncing. With any stiffness setting of 1-7, I pretty much bounce nonstop throughout all roads and freeways. With a setting of 8-13, it's not as bouncy but it's still there, "just stiffened". It's pretty embarrassing driving in a parking lot now since I'm basically bouncing through the parking lot and then when I turn, the springs pop. I've ridden in other S14s with Stance coilovers and they were all normal. Has anyone else had this problem? I'm guessing I have a blown damper somewhere but I can't really see anything in my visual checks. I was going to test out the front dampers when I replaced the front mounts but now that's gonna be at least another 2 weeks, so I guess I'll just check them sooner. ::sigh::

09-10-2007, 03:59 PM	#146
Rocklobster Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Minnesota Age: 47 Posts: 5 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	One other thought, i doubt that the 2/3 vs full circle has anything to do with this problem. It looks to me like the "cut" edge of the circle might be a newer design feature to maximize camber adjustability on your cars. And perhaps when they changed the design they changed the manufacturere and the tollerances got messed up. This is all just my guess.

09-10-2007, 04:13 PM	#148
chuonthis Zilvia Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 167 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	^^^ Running zero preload all around. Each spring barely can't move up and down. Before all this spring popping, I had it at 2 full turns of preload (as recommended in the install sheet) and same problem. I have GR+Pros with helper springs in the rear but I'm pretty sure they compress all the way on load.

09-10-2007, 04:19 PM	#149
overb0ost Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: OH Posts: 393 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i've read that 1/4" preload is probably the max you should go on these springs. however, stance recommends 0 preload. im running 1/4" and i find it alright.

09-10-2007, 04:21 PM	#150
Rocklobster Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Minnesota Age: 47 Posts: 5 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I see. Then your probably right, and have one or more blown dampers. To be honest that is what worries me the most about this issue. Is that all the axial spring loading and having the shaft turn in the damper when steering will prematurely tear up the dampers seals, etc.... I was also worried it might potentially yield the springs in some way. What a mess......ugh....