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!Zar! · 01-22-2010, 01:32 PM

Hard to make it out, but how well does that fair for head room with a helmet on?

teamsprock · 01-22-2010, 03:32 PM

Not too bad, the seats and Bride rails help out a lot. I think if you have seats like my Old Recaro's you may have some troubles. With a helmet I am about 5" away from that bar.

jay pee · 02-09-2010, 01:13 PM

damn all those weld on cages are sick ..my gf baught me a bolt on 6pt just so i can tandem at events...still saving to get a weld on roll cage though

atutt · 02-09-2010, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C-unit

anyone has any tips on painting the top of the cage???

If you're welding the cage the proper way. While the cage is still sitting through the floor, you paint the tops... Then finish everything else.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jay pee

damn all those weld on cages are sick ..my gf baught me a bolt on 6pt just so i can tandem at events...still saving to get a weld on roll cage though

No they aren't. They are really quite iffy. I'm actually concerned. (Not being a dick. I'm actually concerned)
Not only to the welds look horrible, I see a crater or two (great place for failures). It also looks like the wind blew the gas away or he forgot to turn it on. (Orange-redish like dust looking stuff). No gas coverage areas are another great place for failures. deposition rates are all wacky as well.

Teamsprock. I think you should do some serious practicing. Those welds look really iffy. I would be concerned. If you would like some helpful advice you can PM me. I'd be glad to help you.

jay pee · 02-10-2010, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atutt

If you're welding the cage the proper way. While the cage is still sitting through the floor, you paint the tops... Then finish everything else.

No they aren't. They are really quite iffy. I'm actually concerned. (Not being a dick. I'm actually concerned)
Not only to the welds look horrible, I see a crater or two (great place for failures). It also looks like the wind blew the gas away or he forgot to turn it on. (Orange-redish like dust looking stuff). No gas coverage areas are another great place for failures. deposition rates are all wacky as well.

Teamsprock. I think you should do some serious practicing. Those welds look really iffy. I would be concerned. If you would like some helpful advice you can PM me. I'd be glad to help you.

yeah sum of the welds do look kinda questionable just didnt wanna bash on any1 but hopefully whenever i save enough for my cage the guy does a good job welding. since ill probably be paying like 2grand if not more for it. its really hard to find a good welder cuz every1 swears up n down they r pro at it lol

MunsonAuto · 02-09-2010, 05:38 PM

As far as painting the cage goes, don't use POR15. The stuff smells and will linger in the car for ages. I've been in a caged STI that was POR15'd over a year ago and it still distinctly smells like the stuff.

I used Rustoleum indoor/outdoor gloss black and a regular 1.5" brush. $4.99 for a pint and I covered my entire "6point" cage. No brush strokes, lays out very flat/smooth and looks great.

Here's pics of my cage build-up:

dusty...arghhh

Cage finished...finished painting a few hours prior to these pics..

Cage built by Kale's Custom in Essex, VT.

Otto347 · 02-09-2010, 06:24 PM

Damn, doesnt look bad for brush on

Pure_JDM · 02-17-2010, 07:29 PM

I'll be welding in my own cage within the next few weeks, and am really considering going a different route in the backseat of the car (That's right, backseat...). However small and cramped the backseat is, I still want to retain it, as I have a 2 year old little girl that loves to ride in daddy's car. I am going to cage the front similarly to others already here, but instead of an X bar going through the backseat passage to the trunk, I am going to attempt to send a bent one down hugging the rear window, terminating in the trunk on a rear strut tower cross bar. Has anyone seen this done, other than the padded bolt on in the previous page (hypnotiks)? Another huge issue I have with bolt-ins is I am 6'3", and have yet to find a bolt-in that's very friendly to my head room. They all sit too far forward, as mine will be a few inches further toward the rear of the car. I was an engineering major, as well as a welder, as well as an experienced caged builder (I built one in a buddy's 95 wrangler extreme-modified rock crawler). I'm confident that I can bring something new to the table here, but know it's going to take some time, and a hell of a lot of patience, as this is my daily driver. I will keep this thread updated on my progress in huge steps, and will most likely make my own thread showing the build up. Any remarks or tips from experienced fabricators are more than welcome. I have read all tips in this thread, as well as many other builds and fabs (big fan of blu808's creativity and skill).

DJPimpFlex · 02-17-2010, 07:44 PM

^^ What your intending to do has been done before (on my car

), and I don't recommend it. Bends in the rear down tubes make the cage illegal for FD, SCCA Ect. You can definitely make a strong cage with that design though. My car came with the cage already welded in, so I'm not going to fuck with it, but with the rear bars having bends and the firewall penatration, its not legal for FD or SCCA.

Here are some pics.

Pure_JDM · 02-19-2010, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJPimpFlex

^^ What your intending to do has been done before (on my car

), and I don't recommend it. Bends in the rear down tubes make the cage illegal for FD, SCCA Ect. You can definitely make a strong cage with that design though. My car came with the cage already welded in, so I'm not going to fuck with it, but with the rear bars having bends and the firewall penatration, its not legal for FD or SCCA.

Here are some pics.

I dont understand why yours wouldnt still be legal though... Even if your rear bars cant have bends, you still have the same X bar terminating to your strut towers. Wouldnt this be a legal cage, and your two bent bars just be "extra"? Or is this not how it works? Im completely unaware of the rules, which I'm about to hunt down a copy and read them...

Either way, I agree with you, your cage appears to be very structurally sound and a strong design.

franklin93zx · 02-17-2010, 09:45 PM

I want a cage in my z so i can look like a boss

blu808 · 02-18-2010, 01:59 PM

When I build my cages I double box them. where the tube goes through the top part of the box and is welded to both the bottom box plate and the top box plate.

Pure_JDM · 02-22-2010, 09:25 AM

update^? and one last question regarding the diagonal bar... Can it be bolted in, rather than welded? I figured I would use a Clevis or some form of it to bolt in the diagonal on track days, once again for the simple reason of keeping a backseat during the week.

DJPimpFlex · 02-23-2010, 02:23 AM

well first and foremost the cage can not penetrate the fire wall and mine clearly does. Second the rules state that the cage must have rear down bars with no bends in them, regardless of the cross behind the driver. Honestly its a fine cage, but if I were to do it myself I would have gone with a more standard design. This has just a bunch of showy parts that weigh extra for no real reason. W/e it was cheap.

AngeloAJC · 02-23-2010, 03:09 PM

lechu84 · 02-24-2010, 12:25 AM

and ready to finish up paint.

EASTSiDe 2 WESTSiDe · 02-24-2010, 01:31 AM

damn i want a cage lol @ wrapping paper

lechu84 · 02-24-2010, 09:41 AM

^lol yuh we had a bunch laying around after the holidays.

Pure_JDM · 02-24-2010, 09:57 AM

That's funny. I looked at the pic before the caption and thought you had made an entire cage out of wrappingpaper tubes and paint tape. Haha. I'll be posting up some pics of progress this weekend!

lechu84 · 02-24-2010, 11:33 AM

kinda looks like PVC piping.

lechu84 · 03-07-2010, 07:51 PM

finished!

helladudebro · 03-11-2010, 11:08 PM

Is there any disadvantages to having the rear braces angled outward like \ / like the car above instead of / \ or | | ?

lechu84 · 03-12-2010, 12:57 AM

^i dont see why there would. we welded it where the hoop curves to add support.

Firestorm · 03-12-2010, 10:03 AM

very nice...how did you get the dashboard to fit with so little trimming? we're installing a cage in a buddys car tomorrow and i was thinking about how to install the dashboard without cutting the shit out of it...

Maiku240sxS14 · 03-12-2010, 01:16 PM

lechu84 = carlos? friends with david & sennet?

Nicely done. Also want to see how you got the dash in nicely.

Firestorm...I don't know if your going to put in a dash bar, but the fabricators that did my cage slipped the tube in the top vent down to the floor. They did absolutely on cutting or trimming on the dash. The only drawback to this is you will NOT be able to remove the dash again, unless you cut/trim it yourself. Which I had to, but I had the front window out, so I just cut straight throw so that I can pull the dash out horizontally.

I don't know if that made any sense...lol

RurouniMidnight · 03-20-2010, 02:09 PM

Heres the cage in my S14, we just finished it up last night. It was done by my good buddy Derrick and fully tigged, now its time to paint the interior.

Unknown007 · 03-21-2010, 02:20 AM

Metallic Purple.

Freddy · 03-21-2010, 08:42 AM

is that a autopower roll bar ?

teamsprock · 03-26-2010, 10:46 AM

Thanks for the comments on my cage, I appreciate the concern. I did not weld this, If I did there would be lots of reason for concern since I suck at welding. I had it inspected by the local NHRA inspector and he went through a pretty thorough inspection and said it looked great. Most of the professional welders who have seen it in real life have also said the same. The color looks much worse because I was taking pictures in my garage with long exposures and cheap flood lights. But I appreciate your concern and will look more into it. I have had a few of the really well known welders on here tell me it looked great so I was pretty happy but if I should be concerned I will have more people inspect it and see if I need something done to correct it. Before the door bars were finished it was certified to go 8.50's. The door bars are just being finished as this obviously is not a drag car. Again thanks for the concern and I will have a close friend who has been welding for 30+ years stop by and look at it and see what he thinks.

atutt · 04-07-2010, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teamsprock

Thanks for the comments on my cage, I appreciate the concern. I did not weld this, If I did there would be lots of reason for concern since I suck at welding. I had it inspected by the local NHRA inspector and he went through a pretty thorough inspection and said it looked great.

that doesn't mean he can identify a proper structural weld.

Most of the professional welders who have seen it in real life have also said the same. The color looks much worse because I was taking pictures in my garage with long exposures and cheap flood lights.

The colours of the welds are bad.. Its the red "dust" coming off a fwe of them. this indicates it's either contaminated. Or the torch was pulled away quickly while an arc was still present.

But I appreciate your concern and will look more into it. I have had a few of the really well known welders on here tell me it looked great so I was pretty happy but if I should be concerned I will have more people inspect it and see if I need something done to correct it. Before the door bars were finished it was certified to go 8.50's. The door bars are just being finished as this obviously is not a drag car. Again thanks for the concern and I will have a close friend who has been welding for 30+ years stop by and look at it and see what he thinks.

Just because he's been a welder for 30+ years doesn't mean he's good either... I've seen people with 30 years welding experience and fail simple weld tests. I have even tested people with more welding experience than twice my age. And I failed them...

Again. I'm not trying to come off as a dick. I'm offering my opinion as a professional certified TIG welder. And by the standards that I set for myself.
(Also going back to school to start my weld inspector training this Nov)

7.4.2 of this years FD rule book. (I believe this also covers D1 or whatever?) I know we use these rules for DMCC (Drift Mania Canadian Championship)

Welding shall conform to American Welding Society D1.1:2002, Structural
Welding Code, Steel Chapter 10, Tubular Structures.

Based on those standards I would reconsider those welds.

Again. This is just my opinion. And I'm NOT trying to come off as an arrogant asshole. Just trying to state my thoughts in a friendly professional manner, lol :P

01-22-2010, 01:32 PM	#1
!Zar! Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,579 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	Hard to make it out, but how well does that fair for head room with a helmet on? __________________

02-09-2010, 05:38 PM	#6
MunsonAuto Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Vermont Age: 33 Posts: 287 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	As far as painting the cage goes, don't use POR15. The stuff smells and will linger in the car for ages. I've been in a caged STI that was POR15'd over a year ago and it still distinctly smells like the stuff. I used Rustoleum indoor/outdoor gloss black and a regular 1.5" brush. $4.99 for a pint and I covered my entire "6point" cage. No brush strokes, lays out very flat/smooth and looks great. Here's pics of my cage build-up: dusty...arghhh Cage finished...finished painting a few hours prior to these pics.. Cage built by Kale's Custom in Essex, VT. __________________ www.tannermunsondrifting.com

02-17-2010, 07:44 PM	#9
DJPimpFlex Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Age: 39 Posts: 6,158 Trader Rating: (115) Rides Gallery: DJPimpFlex Feedback Score: 115 reviews	^^ What your intending to do has been done before (on my car ), and I don't recommend it. Bends in the rear down tubes make the cage illegal for FD, SCCA Ect. You can definitely make a strong cage with that design though. My car came with the cage already welded in, so I'm not going to fuck with it, but with the rear bars having bends and the firewall penatration, its not legal for FD or SCCA. Here are some pics. __________________

02-18-2010, 01:59 PM	#12
blu808 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Campbell, Ca Age: 42 Posts: 5,010 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	When I build my cages I double box them. where the tube goes through the top part of the box and is welded to both the bottom box plate and the top box plate. __________________

02-23-2010, 02:23 AM	#14
DJPimpFlex Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Age: 39 Posts: 6,158 Trader Rating: (115) Rides Gallery: DJPimpFlex Feedback Score: 115 reviews	well first and foremost the cage can not penetrate the fire wall and mine clearly does. Second the rules state that the cage must have rear down bars with no bends in them, regardless of the cross behind the driver. Honestly its a fine cage, but if I were to do it myself I would have gone with a more standard design. This has just a bunch of showy parts that weigh extra for no real reason. W/e it was cheap. __________________

01-22-2010, 03:32 PM	#2
teamsprock Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Billings Age: 42 Posts: 636 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Not too bad, the seats and Bride rails help out a lot. I think if you have seats like my Old Recaro's you may have some troubles. With a helmet I am about 5" away from that bar.

02-09-2010, 01:13 PM	#3
jay pee Leaky Injector Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Whittier,Ca Posts: 134 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	damn all those weld on cages are sick ..my gf baught me a bolt on 6pt just so i can tandem at events...still saving to get a weld on roll cage though

02-17-2010, 07:29 PM	#8
Pure_JDM Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denham Springs, LA Posts: 814 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	I'll be welding in my own cage within the next few weeks, and am really considering going a different route in the backseat of the car (That's right, backseat...). However small and cramped the backseat is, I still want to retain it, as I have a 2 year old little girl that loves to ride in daddy's car. I am going to cage the front similarly to others already here, but instead of an X bar going through the backseat passage to the trunk, I am going to attempt to send a bent one down hugging the rear window, terminating in the trunk on a rear strut tower cross bar. Has anyone seen this done, other than the padded bolt on in the previous page (hypnotiks)? Another huge issue I have with bolt-ins is I am 6'3", and have yet to find a bolt-in that's very friendly to my head room. They all sit too far forward, as mine will be a few inches further toward the rear of the car. I was an engineering major, as well as a welder, as well as an experienced caged builder (I built one in a buddy's 95 wrangler extreme-modified rock crawler). I'm confident that I can bring something new to the table here, but know it's going to take some time, and a hell of a lot of patience, as this is my daily driver. I will keep this thread updated on my progress in huge steps, and will most likely make my own thread showing the build up. Any remarks or tips from experienced fabricators are more than welcome. I have read all tips in this thread, as well as many other builds and fabs (big fan of blu808's creativity and skill).

02-17-2010, 09:45 PM	#11
franklin93zx Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Riverside, CA Age: 33 Posts: 1,045 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	I want a cage in my z so i can look like a boss

02-22-2010, 09:25 AM	#13
Pure_JDM Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denham Springs, LA Posts: 814 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	update^? and one last question regarding the diagonal bar... Can it be bolted in, rather than welded? I figured I would use a Clevis or some form of it to bolt in the diagonal on track days, once again for the simple reason of keeping a backseat during the week.

02-23-2010, 03:09 PM	#15
AngeloAJC Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Jersey Age: 36 Posts: 425 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews

02-24-2010, 12:25 AM	#16
lechu84 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2007 Location: SoCaL 818 Age: 40 Posts: 549 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	and ready to finish up paint.

02-24-2010, 01:31 AM	#17
EASTSiDe 2 WESTSiDe Leaky Injector Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NorCal Posts: 50 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	damn i want a cage lol @ wrapping paper

02-24-2010, 09:41 AM	#18
lechu84 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2007 Location: SoCaL 818 Age: 40 Posts: 549 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	^lol yuh we had a bunch laying around after the holidays.

02-24-2010, 09:57 AM	#19
Pure_JDM Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denham Springs, LA Posts: 814 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	That's funny. I looked at the pic before the caption and thought you had made an entire cage out of wrappingpaper tubes and paint tape. Haha. I'll be posting up some pics of progress this weekend!

02-24-2010, 11:33 AM	#20
lechu84 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2007 Location: SoCaL 818 Age: 40 Posts: 549 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	kinda looks like PVC piping.

03-07-2010, 07:51 PM	#21
lechu84 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2007 Location: SoCaL 818 Age: 40 Posts: 549 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	finished!

03-11-2010, 11:08 PM	#22
helladudebro Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: portland Posts: 21 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Is there any disadvantages to having the rear braces angled outward like \ / like the car above instead of / \ or \| \| ?

03-12-2010, 12:57 AM	#23
lechu84 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2007 Location: SoCaL 818 Age: 40 Posts: 549 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	^i dont see why there would. we welded it where the hoop curves to add support.

03-12-2010, 10:03 AM	#24
Firestorm Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Germany Age: 38 Posts: 371 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	very nice...how did you get the dashboard to fit with so little trimming? we're installing a cage in a buddys car tomorrow and i was thinking about how to install the dashboard without cutting the shit out of it...

03-12-2010, 01:16 PM	#25
Maiku240sxS14 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: LA Posts: 2,019 Trader Rating: (37) Feedback Score: 37 reviews	lechu84 = carlos? friends with david & sennet? Nicely done. Also want to see how you got the dash in nicely. Firestorm...I don't know if your going to put in a dash bar, but the fabricators that did my cage slipped the tube in the top vent down to the floor. They did absolutely on cutting or trimming on the dash. The only drawback to this is you will NOT be able to remove the dash again, unless you cut/trim it yourself. Which I had to, but I had the front window out, so I just cut straight throw so that I can pull the dash out horizontally. I don't know if that made any sense...lol

03-20-2010, 02:09 PM	#26
RurouniMidnight Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston TX Age: 42 Posts: 1,245 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	Heres the cage in my S14, we just finished it up last night. It was done by my good buddy Derrick and fully tigged, now its time to paint the interior. __________________ http://nightparade.wordpress.com/ Join in on instagram @nightparade Last edited by RurouniMidnight; 03-22-2010 at 11:43 AM..

03-21-2010, 02:20 AM	#27
Unknown007 Zilvia Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bay Area Posts: 224 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Metallic Purple.

03-21-2010, 08:42 AM	#28
Freddy Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Ottawa, Canada Age: 35 Posts: 568 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	is that a autopower roll bar ?

03-26-2010, 10:46 AM	#29
teamsprock Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Billings Age: 42 Posts: 636 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Thanks for the comments on my cage, I appreciate the concern. I did not weld this, If I did there would be lots of reason for concern since I suck at welding. I had it inspected by the local NHRA inspector and he went through a pretty thorough inspection and said it looked great. Most of the professional welders who have seen it in real life have also said the same. The color looks much worse because I was taking pictures in my garage with long exposures and cheap flood lights. But I appreciate your concern and will look more into it. I have had a few of the really well known welders on here tell me it looked great so I was pretty happy but if I should be concerned I will have more people inspect it and see if I need something done to correct it. Before the door bars were finished it was certified to go 8.50's. The door bars are just being finished as this obviously is not a drag car. Again thanks for the concern and I will have a close friend who has been welding for 30+ years stop by and look at it and see what he thinks.