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***Future240*** · 02-11-2009, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by exitspeed

I'm going next weekend. I'll see if I can hunt anyone down.

I20 and I25 sound like prime Infiniti nameplates for their version of the SX.

Wish i could go, i would be handing out resumes like crazy, trying to score that Marketing Internship.

Hm you are right, I didnt catch the 20/25. I still wonder what the essence is. I think perhaps its easier to hid the SX in the infiniti name, but if they registered SX, or GTS, or GTSX or whatever that might be more of a flag.

*exitspeed* · 02-11-2009, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by future240

Wish i could go, i would be handing out resumes like crazy, trying to score that Marketing Internship.

Hm you are right, I didnt catch the 20/25. I still wonder what the essence is. I think perhaps its easier to hid the SX in the infiniti name, but if they registered SX, or GTS, or GTSX or whatever that might be more of a flag.

Essence could be the next concept for the SX. One that is more close to production.

***Future240*** · 02-11-2009, 09:28 AM

^That's what I figure. essence sounds kind of like SX

*exitspeed* · 02-11-2009, 09:46 AM

Yea despite the downturn of things I still expect to see something this year if not late in the year. LA is as good of a place as any. Plus by then HOPEFULLY the recession will start winding down. *knocks on wood*

nisco · 02-11-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by exitspeed

Yea despite the downturn of things I still expect to see something this year if not late in the year. LA is as good of a place as any. Plus by then HOPEFULLY the recession will start winding down. *knocks on wood*

Amen to that.

***dorkidori_s13*** · 02-11-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Gnnr

Don't they have to register it in the US as well?

dunno...but GTS is simply a trim level

mitsubishi has used it, nissan has used it, toyota has used it...and im sure quite a few other care companies have used it as a designated trim title

***Future240*** · 02-11-2009, 03:06 PM

With Mel's genesis info, I got to thinking about the new SX, I definitely think Nissan will stick close to this range of pricing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Genesis Coupe starts at $22,000!
2.0T R Type stripped model starts at $23,750.
306hp car starts at $25,000.
Prices sound about right to me.

Since there NA model will be an infiniti perhaps 27k or 28k

*exitspeed* · 02-11-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by future240

With Mel's genesis info, I got to thinking about the new SX, I definitely think Nissan will stick close to this range of pricing.

Since there NA model will be an infiniti perhaps 27k or 28k

I say Nissan should undercut Hyundai. Yea I know it's hard to fathom. But like I've said, I think the focus should be on driving and keeping weight down along with HP. See the Genesis really is competing with the Z and G coupe right now. The SX should come in smaller, lighter, smaller displacement engine, and less HP then the Genesis. The top range engine for the SX should be somewhere around 260 MAX IMO. I'd be happy with a more nimble car around 3100lbs with say 220hp. That's good for a low 14 sec quarter mile car and the weight should translate to good handling. Price range for the SX should be like $19,000-say $26/7,000 OPTIONED out ot the gills. This is where the Toyabaru is looking to aim I believe.

Neejay · 02-11-2009, 05:26 PM

Chicago 2009: Hyundai introduces R-Spec Genesis Coupe for enthusiasts - Autoblog

"While the car they brought to the show is basically a concept, the R-Spec package will be available through dealers and will give performance junkies more in some areas and less in others. The full list of equipment is in the press release after the jump, but the highlights are a 210-hp turbo'd inline-four that returns 30 mpg and a top speed of 137 mph. Available only with the six-speed manual, it comes with stability control, ABS, electronic brake force distribution, 19-inch wheels, Brembos, a Torsen limited-slip differential, a beefier suspension and summer-only Potenzas. To reduce cost and weight, the R-Spec doesn't include Bluetooth, automatic headlights, cruise control, trip computer, chrome interior accents and steering wheel audio controls. Basically, the R-spec is packing all the heavy-hitting hardware from the Track model and ditches the frippery that drivers and customizers aren't interested in.

The Genesis Coupe R-Spec will be available mid-2010 with a base price of $23,750, or $3,000 less than the 2.0T Track model. That should allow a lot of extra cash for some tuner bits. Besides the performance tweaks, the R-Spec will only be available in three colors: Karussell White, Bathurst Black and Tsukuba Red. Good names, good colors, good kit and a good price. We're sold."

2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe to start at $22,000 - Autoblog

"We've known rough performance numbers on the 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe for some time now: 0-60 in under six seconds, up to 30 mpg with the 2.0T, and so on. But one set of key numbers has eluded us until now: price. Hyundai's rear-drive performance hopeful will weigh in at $22,000 for the base 210-hp 2.0L turbo model, and the 306-hp 3.8L V6 will start at $25,000.

Despite being the price leader, the 2.0T still piles on a lot of kit including a six-speed manual transmission, a full compliment of brake-related electronics (ABS, traction control, brake force distribution, and brake assist) and 18-inch alloys wrapped in Bridgestone Potenzas. Standard creature comforts include keyless entry, cruise control, air conditioning, leather wrapped wheel and shifter, a six-speaker AM/FM/XM/CD/MP3 player with USB port and steering wheel audio controls, and Bluetooth.

Tuner types and gearheads will probably be most interested in the newly announced mid-priced 2.0T R-Spec model ($23,750). Hyundai has chosen not to make the R-Spec a stripped-out lightweight performance model. As such, the model still includes things like the aforementioned six-speaker stereo, air-conditioning and remote keyless entry, but the 137-mph coupe also gets Hyundai's full compliment of performance hardware, including uprated Brembo brakes, stiffened suspension, a Torsen limited-slip differential, and 19-inch gunmetal alloys wrapped with summer tires.

Follow the jump for more including details on the 3.8L V6 model, Hyundai's official press release and a full model-by-model pricing matrix."

Wow...

Akiros · 02-11-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Neejay

Chicago 2009: Hyundai introduces R-Spec Genesis Coupe for enthusiasts - Autoblog

2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe to start at $22,000 - Autoblog

Wow...

yea, the pricing isn't bad at all. Features are awesome. There isn't much holding me back from purchasing this car.

Neejay · 02-11-2009, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Akiros

yea, the pricing isn't bad at all. Features are awesome. There isn't much holding me back from purchasing this car.

Yeah...I'd have to agree with you. This new info definitely has made the Genesis coupe one of the top choices on my list.

***Future240*** · 02-11-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by exitspeed

I say Nissan should undercut Hyundai. Yea I know it's hard to fathom. But like I've said, I think the focus should be on driving and keeping weight down along with HP. See the Genesis really is competing with the Z and G coupe right now. The SX should come in smaller, lighter, smaller displacement engine, and less HP then the Genesis. The top range engine for the SX should be somewhere around 260 MAX IMO. I'd be happy with a more nimble car around 3100lbs with say 220hp. That's good for a low 14 sec quarter mile car and the weight should translate to good handling. Price range for the SX should be like $19,000-say $26/7,000 OPTIONED out ot the gills. This is where the Toyabaru is looking to aim I believe.

Its not hard to fathom at all actually. They did say in the review that the genesis was supposed to be on the level of the infiniti. If the Tobaru and the SX are in this price range, with less weight and around the same power, then the Genesis would cease to sell IMO

*exitspeed* · 02-11-2009, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by future240

Its not hard to fathom at all actually. They did say in the review that the genesis was supposed to be on the level of the infiniti. If the Tobaru and the SX are in this price range, with less weight and around the same power, then the Genesis would cease to sell IMO

Yea that's Hyundai's thing right now. Making cars that compete with the best cars in the class for a thousands less.

That is what Hyundai is doing though. They are trying to prove themselves right now. Nissan doesn't really need to prove itself any longer.

Therefore I think they can switch it up and make a car in a similar class but smaller.

OptionZero · 02-11-2009, 07:24 PM

3300lbs is still seriously high for the stripper version, even if its only in the low 20k range.

Unless the stock hood weighs like 400 lbs and the problem could be rectified with an aftermarket fiber hood, lol.

Maybe its 3300lbs with the spare tire in, and the spare tire is made of lead.

Gnnr · 02-11-2009, 07:30 PM

Thats good. That way Nissan can just come with a lighter SX to compete.

***Future240*** · 02-11-2009, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Yea that's Hyundai's thing right now. Making cars that compete with the best cars in the class for a thousands less.

That is what Hyundai is doing though. They are trying to prove themselves right now. Nissan doesn't really need to prove itself any longer.

Therefore I think they can switch it up and make a car in a similar class but smaller.

True they can, but will they? They are in the position to where they could go lower, but why would they? If the offer better performance for the same price then why not? I do see what you are saying though, I think perhaps 20 would be the lowest for the stripped model, then 26 for the high end one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OptionZero

3300lbs is still seriously high for the stripper version, even if its only in the low 20k range.

Unless the stock hood weighs like 400 lbs and the problem could be rectified with an aftermarket fiber hood, lol.

Maybe its 3300lbs with the spare tire in, and the spare tire is made of lead.

I think at max it would 2800 with lots of carbon fiber and weight reductions. While still maintaing a certain comfort level. Strip it and you may get 2500. All IMO of course

*exitspeed* · 02-11-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Gnnr

Thats good. That way Nissan can just come with a lighter SX to compete.

Exactly. Even if Nissan can do 3100lbs that would not be bad with 220hp.

Quote:

Originally Posted by future240

True they can, but will they? They are in the position to where they could go lower, but why would they? If the offer better performance for the same price then why not? I do see what you are saying though, I think perhaps 20 would be the lowest for the stripped model, then 26 for the high end one.

I think they might go that route because they'd rather compete with Toyota and that's the route they are going. Plus like I've said in the past this is a good car for Nissan to help out it's fleet average MPG for the new CAFE Regs. If they can make a smaller lighter, less HP car and have it return 30mpg, they might be better off. It might not seem as hard core also to the non-hardcore mainstream buying public.

***Future240*** · 02-11-2009, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by exitspeed

Exactly. Even if Nissan can do 3100lbs that would not be bad with 220hp.

True I wonder what the weight will be? I checked the weight of a couple of nissan vehciles. The 2.5 altima weighs about 3,005 pounds, the 370 z at its heaviest is 3,314lbs. So with a 2.0 Liter turbo, I definitely think 2900 pounds is doable. Since it will probably be smaller than an altima.

*exitspeed* · 02-11-2009, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by future240

True I wonder what the weight will be? I checked the weight of a couple of nissan vehciles. The 2.5 altima weighs about 3,005 pounds, the 370 z at its heaviest is 3,314lbs. So with a 2.0 Liter turbo, I definitely think 2900 pounds is doable. Since it will probably be smaller than an altima.

Shit I didn't even realize the Altima was that light. 2900-3000lbs might be doable then.

***Future240*** · 02-11-2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by exitspeed

Shit I didn't even realize the Altima was that light. 2900-3000lbs might be doable then.

Neither did I. I thought the 370z would be the lightest. Then again I supposed the altima just looks bigger due to a wider frame and sheet metal, but a 2.5L v6 vs a 3.7L v6 means weight.

Flicktitty · 02-12-2009, 11:41 AM

it's cancelled god dammit.
Nissan cancels RWD Silvia successor and GT-R sedan, Prius-fight planned - Autoblog

Gnnr · 02-12-2009, 11:46 AM

Sorry, I don't think "Autocar" is a reliable source (the source Autoblog is using). Additionally, it wouldn't make any sense to cancel it with everything we've mentioned above.

Autocar - Nissan cancels new 200SX

Lets look at the facts.

Fact: Nissan is reducing SUVs and Trucks
Fact: Small, affordable, fuel-efficient vehicles are in demand
Fact: They need to meet that demand and fill the void left from its SUVs and Trucks

Delayed? Maybe. Stopped? Doubt it. Canceled? Nah.

JoeC1982 · 02-12-2009, 12:28 PM

I'm sure it probably is cancelled, i kinda gave up and have been shopping for a G35 coupe anyways.

***dorkidori_s13*** · 02-12-2009, 12:47 PM

i TOLD you guys it was gonna be put on hold for a bit like a week - 2 weeks back (a few pages back to be exact)...im gonna say count on it being a 2011 or 2012 model

guess ill just go get me a G35 to fill the void for the time being

ah well...at least if it is true...that was official confirmation that the car is in development (and i seriously think their sources arent that credible and possibly ripping off what mel and i say on like 30 billion different web forums)

SimpleS14 · 02-12-2009, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnnr

Sorry, I don't think "Autocar" is a reliable source (the source Autoblog is using). Additionally, it wouldn't make any sense to cancel it with everything we've mentioned above.

Autocar - Nissan cancels new 200SX

Lets look at the facts.

Fact: Nissan is reducing SUVs and Trucks
Fact: Small, affordable, fuel-efficient vehicles are in demand
Fact: They need to meet that demand and fill the void left from its SUVs and Trucks

Delayed? Maybe. Stopped? Doubt it. Canceled? Nah.

The Cube fits the void as it's small, fuel efficient and probably versatile.

Until there is a sure demand, I don't see it getting revived.

***dorkidori_s13*** · 02-12-2009, 12:52 PM

everytime i speak with a nissan exec...i always inform them how angry the S chassis community is that were getting the shaft left and right...and that the WANT is there for a new replacement...and that the 240sx has turned into a HUGE tuner car in the last 5-6 years

they always go "really??? the car is that popular???"...its like NO FUKING SHIT!!! DO YOU GUYS EVEN TALK TO YOUR CLIENT BASE THAT DOESNT INCLUDE SUV OWNERS???!!!!!!

lflkajfj12123 · 02-12-2009, 12:58 PM

once again

180sx for life hahaha

maybe a g37s coupe one day

Gnnr · 02-12-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SimpleS14

The Cube fits the void as it's small, fuel efficient and probably versatile.

Until there is a sure demand, I don't see it getting revived.

They still need the small car in the Infiniti line. Whatever that is will have to be RWD for Infinit to compete with Lexus and BMW. And the Cube isn't going to fill the money void of the Titan and Armada.

Nissan likely to dump Quest, Armada and Infiniti QX56 - Autoblog

Nissan 3rd Japanese automaker to shift truck production to cars - Autoblog

Though the Titan is supposed to be replaced by something from Dodge.

Despite Fiat deal, Chrysler will still get small cars from Nissan - Autoblog

WILDACEX187 · 02-12-2009, 01:12 PM

is not having a minivan a good choice?
wat are the soccer moms suppose to drive?

SimpleS14 · 02-12-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Gnnr

They still need the small car in the Infiniti line. Whatever that is will have to be RWD for Infinit to compete with Lexus and BMW. And the Cube isn't going to fill the money void of the Titan and Armada.

Nissan likely to dump Quest, Armada and Infiniti QX56 - Autoblog

Nissan 3rd Japanese automaker to shift truck production to cars - Autoblog

Though the Titan is supposed to be replaced by something from Dodge.

Despite Fiat deal, Chrysler will still get small cars from Nissan - Autoblog

The EX35 is doing poorly and I just can't see them bringing out a smaller car than the G if there isn't a viable market.

Maybe...just MAYBE Nissan will make a larger crossover to fill the void of the Armada (kinda like the Mazda CX-9).

Quote:

Originally Posted by WILDACEX187

is not having a minivan a good choice?
wat are the soccer moms suppose to drive?

Crossover vehicles such as the Rouge or Murano.

02-11-2009, 09:46 AM	#1534
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 44 Posts: 20,900 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Yea despite the downturn of things I still expect to see something this year if not late in the year. LA is as good of a place as any. Plus by then HOPEFULLY the recession will start winding down. knocks on wood __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

02-11-2009, 07:30 PM	#1545
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02-12-2009, 11:46 AM	#1552
Gnnr Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: S. FL Posts: 3,960 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Sorry, I don't think "Autocar" is a reliable source (the source Autoblog is using). Additionally, it wouldn't make any sense to cancel it with everything we've mentioned above. Autocar - Nissan cancels new 200SX Lets look at the facts. Fact: Nissan is reducing SUVs and Trucks Fact: Small, affordable, fuel-efficient vehicles are in demand Fact: They need to meet that demand and fill the void left from its SUVs and Trucks Delayed? Maybe. Stopped? Doubt it. Canceled? Nah. __________________

02-12-2009, 12:28 PM	#1553
JoeC1982 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Little Rock, AR Age: 42 Posts: 315 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'm sure it probably is cancelled, i kinda gave up and have been shopping for a G35 coupe anyways. __________________ 96 240SX daily driver resto//mod Nismo//JBL//Hawk My feedback: http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=169481

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Neejay Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: lol Age: 38 Posts: 2,586 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: Neejay Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Chicago 2009: Hyundai introduces R-Spec Genesis Coupe for enthusiasts - Autoblog "While the car they brought to the show is basically a concept, the R-Spec package will be available through dealers and will give performance junkies more in some areas and less in others. The full list of equipment is in the press release after the jump, but the highlights are a 210-hp turbo'd inline-four that returns 30 mpg and a top speed of 137 mph. Available only with the six-speed manual, it comes with stability control, ABS, electronic brake force distribution, 19-inch wheels, Brembos, a Torsen limited-slip differential, a beefier suspension and summer-only Potenzas. To reduce cost and weight, the R-Spec doesn't include Bluetooth, automatic headlights, cruise control, trip computer, chrome interior accents and steering wheel audio controls. Basically, the R-spec is packing all the heavy-hitting hardware from the Track model and ditches the frippery that drivers and customizers aren't interested in. The Genesis Coupe R-Spec will be available mid-2010 with a base price of $23,750, or $3,000 less than the 2.0T Track model. That should allow a lot of extra cash for some tuner bits. Besides the performance tweaks, the R-Spec will only be available in three colors: Karussell White, Bathurst Black and Tsukuba Red. Good names, good colors, good kit and a good price. We're sold." 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe to start at $22,000 - Autoblog "We've known rough performance numbers on the 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe for some time now: 0-60 in under six seconds, up to 30 mpg with the 2.0T, and so on. But one set of key numbers has eluded us until now: price. Hyundai's rear-drive performance hopeful will weigh in at $22,000 for the base 210-hp 2.0L turbo model, and the 306-hp 3.8L V6 will start at $25,000. Despite being the price leader, the 2.0T still piles on a lot of kit including a six-speed manual transmission, a full compliment of brake-related electronics (ABS, traction control, brake force distribution, and brake assist) and 18-inch alloys wrapped in Bridgestone Potenzas. Standard creature comforts include keyless entry, cruise control, air conditioning, leather wrapped wheel and shifter, a six-speaker AM/FM/XM/CD/MP3 player with USB port and steering wheel audio controls, and Bluetooth. Tuner types and gearheads will probably be most interested in the newly announced mid-priced 2.0T R-Spec model ($23,750). Hyundai has chosen not to make the R-Spec a stripped-out lightweight performance model. As such, the model still includes things like the aforementioned six-speaker stereo, air-conditioning and remote keyless entry, but the 137-mph coupe also gets Hyundai's full compliment of performance hardware, including uprated Brembo brakes, stiffened suspension, a Torsen limited-slip differential, and 19-inch gunmetal alloys wrapped with summer tires. Follow the jump for more including details on the 3.8L V6 model, Hyundai's official press release and a full model-by-model pricing matrix." Wow...

02-11-2009, 07:24 PM	#1544
OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 40 Posts: 6,262 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	3300lbs is still seriously high for the stripper version, even if its only in the low 20k range. Unless the stock hood weighs like 400 lbs and the problem could be rectified with an aftermarket fiber hood, lol. Maybe its 3300lbs with the spare tire in, and the spare tire is made of lead.

02-12-2009, 12:47 PM	#1554
*dorkidori_s13* ITS LISA'S FAULT!!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas Age: 42 Posts: 7,492 Trader Rating: (41) Feedback Score: 41 reviews	i TOLD you guys it was gonna be put on hold for a bit like a week - 2 weeks back (a few pages back to be exact)...im gonna say count on it being a 2011 or 2012 model guess ill just go get me a G35 to fill the void for the time being ah well...at least if it is true...that was official confirmation that the car is in development (and i seriously think their sources arent that credible and possibly ripping off what mel and i say on like 30 billion different web forums) __________________ Check out my IG for what I'm up to! DORKIDORI INSTAGRAM!!!

02-12-2009, 12:52 PM	#1556
*dorkidori_s13* ITS LISA'S FAULT!!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas Age: 42 Posts: 7,492 Trader Rating: (41) Feedback Score: 41 reviews	everytime i speak with a nissan exec...i always inform them how angry the S chassis community is that were getting the shaft left and right...and that the WANT is there for a new replacement...and that the 240sx has turned into a HUGE tuner car in the last 5-6 years they always go "really??? the car is that popular???"...its like NO FUKING SHIT!!! DO YOU GUYS EVEN TALK TO YOUR CLIENT BASE THAT DOESNT INCLUDE SUV OWNERS???!!!!!! __________________ Check out my IG for what I'm up to! DORKIDORI INSTAGRAM!!!

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