The Future Automotive Thread

[lflkajfj12123]

Originally Posted by future240

The Hyundai stigma. Imagine if Buick came out with a boosted RWD car, what would be your first thought?

Vin Diesel

[allntrlundrgrnd]

Originally Posted by Dutchmalmiss

And if the SX will look anything like essence (phoenetically similar,too. coincidence?), I'm all fucking ears/eyes/penis/etc.

lol i may have to sig quote this, sooo troof

[atom]

Originally Posted by future240

The Hyundai stigma. Imagine if Buick came out with a boosted RWD car, what would be your first thought?

You mean like the Grand National? Uh yeah I think most domestic guys would love a new Grand National.

The name Hyundai doesn't usually bring anything positive to mind. However, the name Infiniti brings memories of quality, power and an all around nice product.

And also what you said about it being a decent alternative, most people would rather gamble on something they know for sure will be good instead of taking a chance with the Genesis.

Sorry, your perspective is 100% wrong. Pre G35, Infiniti was the red-headed stepchild of the luxury car market. If you bought a Q45 or I30 brand new in the 90's/early 2000's the first thing you'd get asked is "Why didn't you buy a Lexus or BMW?" The best Infiniti in that period was the G20, and it was overpriced. It wasn't until the G35 and later the M that people thought Infiniti was actually decent.

and lastly, the primary buyers of the G37 are not the same people that would be looking at the Genesis. Slightly older than middle aged, middle aged people and younger people with fresh jobs, perhaps just out of college would be buying the G37, the Genesis will be for people who are looking for a budget sports car.

It will take a lot more than some favorable reviews for Hyundai to really compete with Infiniti.

Like I said, don't you remember when the G35 was first released? Lots of people said nobody was gonna cross shop an Infiniti and a BMW. Now look at the market. And the Genesis sedan certainly is in that market, coupe obviously not. The Genesis is actually kinda unique in the sense that the coupe and sedan are marketed totally differently.

[Gnnr]

I've said it before, but I'll say it again. The biggest hurdle for Hyundai with the Genesis coupe will be to sell the "performance" aspect of it. I mean, Hyundai doesn't have a significant (if any) racing history. There is no racing pedigree there. Guess you got to start somewhere, but I would like to see them put the Genesis coupe to compete in something besides drifting.

Speaking of Buick, if they weren't in danger of being axed, coming out with a new Grand National may not be a bad idea. There could be a halo effect there. Plus, all the other domestic brands are bringing back their muscle cars (Challenger. Camaro, Retro Mustang, etc.).

[ronmcdon]

Hyundai does have some recent respectable (although not quite dominating) racing history in the WRC;
Hyundai Motor Company - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They can't compare to most japanese companies even though they've been around for the same time,
but as you say they have to begin somewhere.

[dorkidori_s13]

well...if you guys would pay attention to market reports and reviews...hyundai has come up leaps and bounds in the last 10 years...theyve gone from every car they make being a shitbox to a company that has completely redefined itself in every aspect...a lot of their more "expensive" sedans are now receiving a lot of good reviews...and the genesis may be exactly what hyundai needs to become recognized in the performance & luxury market (sedan + coupe)...the tiburon was a nice attempt (and it got REALLY sexy as it aged for a FWD drive car...the first gens were /barf) but with the introduction of the genesis coupe taking over the tibbys spot...hyundai will more than likely receive quite a few positive reviews for it

and im still going to argue with anyone...NO ONE is making a car that is priced UNDER 24k that is rwd, turbo, brembo equiped and is actually marketed toward enthusiasts EXCEPT hyundai

and for once ill agree with atom on not just one...but TWO points he brought up...if GM got off its sorry ass and made a "new" GN...it would sell like crazy to the domestic guys...that car has such street credit as well as straight line credit its nuts

and the 2nd point is the infiniti remark...infiniti was the bastard step child of nissan in the US up until the FM platform G series debuted...most of their line up consisted of FWD, rebadged american nissan chassis...what RWD offerings they had (especially in the early 90s...J30 anyone?) were either over priced and under powered, or were just plain UGLY (come on...gatling gun inspired project headlights)...infiniti did HORRIBLY in the 90s...the FM platform saved infintis ass completely...i believe there was even talk of nissan discontinuing the infiniti line in the early 2000s because of how poorly the cars were marketed and sold

[Gnnr]

Ghosn saved Nissan/Infiniti.

[Enna]

Originally Posted by future240

Imagine if Buick came out with a boosted RWD car, what would be your first thought?

I lol'd at this. I instantly thought Grand National haha. But all laughter aside, the genesis isn't a bad car. They definately set themselves apart by doing the genesis. Nissan dropped the ball, so did toyota. There's been a market for it for a long time, just noone wanting to listen to what was wanted. I guess it finally had to happen at some point. I just wish they would've started this all w/o waiting this long to do so.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by atom

Like I said, don't you remember when the G35 was first released? Lots of people said nobody was gonna cross shop an Infiniti and a BMW. Now look at the market. And the Genesis sedan certainly is in that market, coupe obviously not. The Genesis is actually kinda unique in the sense that the coupe and sedan are marketed totally differently.

You have a good point. I had not thought of it like that. Perhaps then the Genesis will give Hyundai the boost they need to get where Infiniti is now.

[dorkidori_s13]

so i just read on autoblog that toyota has YET AGAIN confirmed that the new toybaru is on track and that last weeks announcement of the car being put on hold was false

oi...make up your fukin minds

so again confirmation comes from toyotas PR people...hyundai has started to release the genesis coupe on america...so uh nissan...WTF??? still livin it up in fail town i see...might wanna start lookin at houses in winner town sometime soon

[s13dan]

Hell yea there has been a market for a rwd coupe thats affordable...I can think of 61,000 ppl that would agree!

[ESmorz]

Nissan is like that really hot chick in Middle School who cuts herself.

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by ESmorz

Nissan is like that really hot chick in Middle School who cuts herself.

omg!!! ROFLMAOing!!!

[Future240]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

so i just read on autoblog that toyota has YET AGAIN confirmed that the new toybaru is on track and that last weeks announcement of the car being put on hold was false

oi...make up your fukin minds

so again confirmation comes from toyotas PR people...hyundai has started to release the genesis coupe on america...so uh nissan...WTF??? still livin it up in fail town i see...might wanna start lookin at houses in winner town sometime soon

Perhaps Nissan is doing what Apple is doing with the 3rd gen Iphone, building it with out real confirmation, with plans to someday blow the world away with it.

[dorkidori_s13]

please dont ever mention nissan and apple in the same sentence again...its blasphemy

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by ESmorz

Nissan is like that really hot chick in Middle School who cuts herself.

that has officially made it to my signature for the next month or so lol

[Future240]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

please dont ever mention nissan and apple in the same sentence again...its blasphemy

????? Don't like apple?

[lflkajfj12123]

whats wrong with apple bieeeeeeicccch

[DaPCWiz]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

please dont ever mention nissan and apple in the same sentence again...its blasphemy

you can say that again.

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by s0apgun

whats wrong with apple bieeeeeeicccch

im not an apple fan...at all...and its a subject im not gonna even get into cause it WILL start a fight lol

im one of the few multimedia designers youll meet that despises apple

[iwishiwas-all*]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

im not an apple fan...at all...and its a subject im not gonna even get into cause it WILL start a fight lol

im one of the few multimedia designers youll meet that despises apple

then you are obviously not a very experience one at that, OOOOOOOOOOO.
had to, had to, you walked into it.

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by iwishiwas-all*

then you are obviously not a very experience one at that, OOOOOOOOOOO.
had to, had to, you walked into it.

joke or not...ive been using photoshop longer than 90% of people have even KNOWN about it...when i got into "multimedia design" stuff...photoshops newest and latest upgrade was LAYERS!!! (that was in version 3...i was just learning on version 2.5)

what was true about macs 15 years ago is no longer true today...and just cause i dont like macs doesnt mean i dont know how to use them...got my A+ certification in MacOS X about 4 years ago for work...and i can tell you this right now...mac OS has more holes in it than ANY version of windows...its memory controller STILL sucks ass to this day...and unix or not...it is one of the most UNSTABLE operating systems currently on the market

but im done with the mac vs PC conversation now...on with the reasons nissan is failing in life

[dorkidori_s13]

i just noticed something....



take a look on the far left...

[kingkilburn]

My first thought


But it seems slimmer and wider in proportion.

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

My first thought


But it seems slimmer and wider in proportion.

but look at the rear window...its rolled down...tail lights are quite a bit different too

+200 internets to someone who can find a picture and name of that car

EDIT: LENNON = FAIL!!!

[dorkidori_s13]

ah fuk...nevermind...its the goddamn G37 convertable UGH *hits head on desk*

[kingkilburn]

At least it looks decent, unlike the Z's top.

[dorkidori_s13]

eh...annoying thing is...nissan has the money to develop a TOP TIER infiniti sports car...one that is out of the price range of SO many people...but IT WONT GIVE US A NEW GODDAMN SILVIA!!!

no lets bring out a new SUV and a sports car that will prolly share the same goddamn price tag as the GTR...the 240sx replacement isnt important...its not like every teenager/young adult doesnt know what the car is and want a brand new version in dealerships...well just leave that up to toyota/subaru and hyundai

im getting really bitter about this subject

[kingkilburn]

I have faith that they will give us something, eventually. By that point we may have members riding around in Hyundais and Toyotas\Subarus, but there will have to be something from Nissan.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

I have faith that they will give us something, eventually. By that point we may have members riding around in Hyundais and Toyotas\Subarus, but there will have to be something from Nissan.

Seriously. As soon as I get a job I'm buying a new or newer car. If I decide to buy new it's gonna be a Gen Coupe. If I buy a used car it's gonna be a G35 Coupe.

I'm done waiting for now. EVEN if Nissan announces the SX by the end of this year it'll be another year or two (probbly not two though based of of Nissan's track record) before it starts rolling into showrooms. By then I might be ready to move on from whatever vehicle I get.