Om1krons Build thread cause I hate the lack of them! S14

[MidwestMyriad]

Something else that could be mentioned is using different brake boosters. Using a larger booster (like from an automatic) would provide better pedal modulation. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the larger volume of vacuum pressure should directly correlate to pedal feel/pressure.

[KiLLeR2001]

I'd stick with the z31 brackets. Only reason to get the rear Wilwoods would be to match your fronts. I doubt the stopping force will be that much different vs the z31/altima.

To summarize:
if looking for cheapest performance upgrade --> z31/altima. $
if looking for relatively same performance but better looks --> Wilwood. $$
if looking for a baller rear setup for the elites only --> z32 with all new parts. $$$

[Om1kron]

The wilwood setup while similar to the altima mind you also is a 22mm wide 11in rotor. You should read the product info on those baller ass single piston calipers.

seriously wayne, quit fucking around


go get the z32 parts and end these shinanegans. your putting way too much thought into something that requires very little money and mostly labor.

and, being that i did my customers s14 a few weeks back, i can say that its a zillion times easier doing z32 brakes on an s14 than it is on an s13. the r33 cables are almost 100% bolt on, piece of cake.

bottom line, you need a BMC for the better bias and pedal feel.. this will complete the system. you need to service your subframe, so get a spare subframe, press bushings, get it all done at the same time.

like i said, i did it a few weeks ago... its not bad at all. my customer is raving about how much better the car behaves too.

gaddamn pansy

[KiLLeR2001]

z32 is 11.69" diameter and 18mm thick 2 piston caliper. If I was you I'd probably go Wilwood rears since you already have the fronts. Consistency is key. And then after that I'd save up for a Candy Apple Red paint job on the LXZ's. Until then, just another black kouki on some LXZ's.

[Brian]

Wilwood is not even a cool brake company to have on a 240sx.
come on, man!

[Om1kron]

Its like putting volks on a german car right???

[deadghost]

Originally Posted by Om1kron

I'll tell you this much, the wheels have set me back at least almost half of what I paid for the car. To spend any more money in that area is just fucking retarded... The car gets a retarded amount of neck breaks, looks, compliments, etc. And it's not even as low as I want it.

I took it to the local meet the other day, everyone seemed like it was no big deal, apparently when I walked away to grab some boba everyone was around that shit like I came through a worm hole in a delorean. but quickly scattered again when I was walking back.

The benefits of being a dickhead online =)

Not a dick head my good freind, your presence alone strikes fear in the minions.

[Om1kron]

Originally Posted by ixfxi

seriously wayne, quit fucking around

Fucking around with what Mike, I'm not building a period correct car, and eventually nobody is going to be able to get replacement parts for z32 setups. That's the sad reality of it, nissan eventually is going to run out of that shit and nobody even buys things new. Why would I put even older brakes on my car than the year it was manufactured. Makes no sense to me.

The whole purpose of my research is to find a future proof solution that is cost effective and widely available with a minimal amount of work involved. I mean have you seen the threads that pop up on this website asking questions?

God forbid one of these fucking idiots has to get under their car to turn a bolt or nut when they're too lazy to even google overfenders or exhaust code violations.

If Nissan felt the 240sx needed better brake bias then why didn't they put a z32 master cylinder in there from the get go? Why didn't they install a rear drum braking kit in the se edition of the car? Who knows, if it's good enough for nissan it's good enough for me. Now we have people doing tucked brake lines and shit getting rid of the booster and I have to ask what kind of upgrade is that? You're going to have huge brakes and make your pedal feel worse?

My petty research on future proof modding the rear braking system of the cars without needing to get overpriced oem parts is to help people out. I could always be like a dickhead ae86 owner and never post anything about how I upgraded my car and then charge 10 grand for some heaping piece of initial d bullshit because it has a running 20v swap and a power fc with a kouki kit and a decent paintjob.


Last but not least the wilwood setup while hosting an expensive entry fee has the most convenient upgradibility and maintenance available. No need to have rotors turned, or get the autozone special rotors when it's time for a brakejob.

check run out, if clearance is good pop some new pads in and go on your way, they'll de-glaze naturally due to the slots.

If the discs need to be replaced all you need to order is the disc and can remove the old one, bolt in the new disc, secure it with twisty wire and reinstall. Or switch to more aggressive rotor material and pad options all from wilwood themselves or from other makers.

Almost worth the price of admission.



BH: Japan parts are cool, but just like PSM availability is key.

[fckillerbee]

it's hard being a pimp...play on playa...play on.

[lflkajfj12123]

Originally Posted by Brian

Wilwood is not even a cool brake company to have on a 240sx.
come on, man!

YA MAN LOL look at daigo's FD car what the hell is that????

om1kron you type too much

[KiLLeR2001]

Originally Posted by s0apgun

om1kron you type too much

He has thug passion, GTFO of here!

[codyace]

Originally Posted by Om1kron

If Nissan felt the 240sx needed better brake bias then why didn't they put a z32 master cylinder in there from the get go? Why didn't they install a rear drum braking kit in the se edition of the car? Who knows, if it's good enough for nissan it's good enough for me.

I think you're misinterpreting the use of the term brake bias.

When we talk about brake bias, we're not talking about whether or not a car needs more brake capability; Instead we're talking about brake ability.

That is, by slapping huge brakes up front, keeping the little guys out back, and keeping the same Master Cylinder/Booster combo, you're actual brake ability/bias is now different, and no one near how it was from the factory. Some setups induce rear lockup. Others have front lock issues...it all boils down to researching split/knee points of the various MC, the piston size on the particular calipers, etc etc.

So while you think the Nissan setup is good from the factory (and admittedly it isn't if you're pushing the car) with the rest of it all being different...well...I'll guess we'll just have to agree to disagree

Originally Posted by Om1kron

Last but not least the wilwood setup while hosting an expensive entry fee has the most convenient upgradibility and maintenance available. No need to have rotors turned, or get the autozone special rotors when it's time for a brakejob.

While I don't disagree with the research part, I do think you need to apply some real world to it all.

Don't get me wrong, the WilWood calipers *look* neat, but that is about where it ends. I'll be the first to admit that the S14 caliper may not be of the best design, but you will be hard pressed to see me go out and spend double on one with a WilWood sticker on it. I'll buy you some Carquest S14 ones and put SloppyMechanics on them for ya if you want.

Seriously though, I can understand why you want the WilWood setup, but I can't see it being worth the cost over the Altima/Z31 bracket setup.

Originally Posted by Om1kron

BH: Japan parts are cool, but just like PSM availability is key.

True. This is why I like keeping spares 'in stock' for parts that I can not get at the local parts slinger. Call it overkill, but being down and waiting 3-4 days for a stupid part to show up bothers the heck outa me

[Brian]

I had no idea brakes were this insane. I thought it was just some cool color calipers and rotors with holes in them that look cool behind the wheels.

Originally Posted by Om1kron

Fucking around with what Mike, I'm not building a period correct car, and eventually nobody is going to be able to get replacement parts for z32 setups. That's the sad reality of it, nissan eventually is going to run out of that shit and nobody even buys things new. Why would I put even older brakes on my car than the year it was manufactured. Makes no sense to me.

Originally Posted by codyace

When we talk about brake bias, we're not talking about whether or not a car needs more brake capability; Instead we're talking about brake ability.

That is, by slapping huge brakes up front, keeping the little guys out back, and keeping the same Master Cylinder/Booster combo, you're actual brake ability/bias is now different, and no one near how it was from the factory. Some setups induce rear lockup. Others have front lock issues...it all boils down to researching split/knee points of the various MC, the piston size on the particular calipers, etc etc.

Poor Wayne, if he wasnt Wayne T Edwards he'd be so fuckin flamed right now....


Wayne, brake BIAS... it has to do with how much pressure is applied at front vs rear in relation to your brake pedal input. Why did NISSAN give us the smaller BMC? They gave us a size appropriate to the stock single piston caliper configuration. Once you go 4-POT front, you're going to need that larger BMC that is used in cars like the Z32 or R32/33/34, hence the suggestion for the 2POT Z32 rears. They're dope little brakes and they do the job. If you want to get fancy, you get R33/34 rears, but they're fairly hard to acquire... trust me, I know because thats what I am running. Good news however, is that the e-brake hardware is practically the same between Z32/R33/R34 with exception to the cables... which are similar, just specific for the chassis lengths, more or less.

All of these parts will be available for a VERY long time, these are considered legacy parts which all brake manufacturers will tend to continue offering. Even the seals which are NLA here in NA are available through various other outlets.

FYI, only reason for the e-brake being drum, from what ive gathered, is because cars that weigh over 3k lbs typically need a drum setup, hard to get that much clamping force from a hydraulic piston caliper setup.

If and when you install the Z32 BMC w/ rear brakes, you'll have a much better understanding of how it all works and why I suggested it. To quote prices, I recently sold the following:
250 for fully restored rear calipers, new seals, powdercoated, shaved lettering, brembo blank rotors and hawk pads
50 ebrake drum assemblies

its safe to say you can get these parts a dime a dozen without busting the bank. i'de say the most difficult part of your swap is installing the 17/16 BMC. on my customers car, I opted to make adapter SS lines as I did not want to bend the shit out of the OEM hard lines. Though, bending the shit out of them is cake and not really a big deal. Use a tubing bender if you want to be particular.

so cliff notes, the major benefit will be superior pedal feel and shitload more accurate bias (front/rear balancing)

[codyace]

Originally Posted by ixfxi

Poor Wayne, if he wasnt Wayne T Edwards he'd be so fuckin flamed right now....

Imagine if it was some poor newb on here and Wayne was in our shoes, he'd be throwing insults at him that his own kids would be proud to read about someday.

[Om1kron]

Originally Posted by codyace

Imagine if it was some poor newb on here and Wayne was in our shoes, he'd be throwing insults at him that his own kids would be proud to read about someday.

Guess i'm lucky to be friends with the few smart people on this website then rather than the idiots who havent chimed in right? Lol

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by Om1kron

Guess i'm lucky to be friends with the few smart people on this website then rather than the idiots who havent chimed in right? Lol

I chimed in like once or twice....but for the most part I don't know shit about brakes. Only thing I know is I really like porterfields over hawks any day of the week. lol.

[jdm2191]

Originally Posted by Brian

I had no idea brakes were this insane. I thought it was just some cool color calipers and rotors with holes in them that look cool behind the wheels.

Im with you on this

[Johnphen]

i recently installed a set of Evo X calipers on my s14 using modified skullworks brackets for an IX.

felt like doo doo with the factory master, i opted for a 17/16th and stops wonderfully. Just have to figure out the rears now. great thread either way OP

Originally Posted by Johnphen

i recently installed a set of Evo X calipers on my s14 using modified skullworks brackets for an IX.

felt like doo doo with the factory master, i opted for a 17/16th and stops wonderfully. Just have to figure out the rears now. great thread either way OP

Skullworks? That company is a sham, worse than clearcorners

They scammed me for over 20,000 bucks. That guy Mike is a motherfucker.

[Johnphen]

damn, sucks to hear. Nobody likes to hear that kinda stuff as an enthusiast, hope karma kicks in for whatever they did.

Brackets work like a charm tho?

Originally Posted by ixfxi

Skullworks? That company is a sham, worse than clearcorners

They scammed me for over 20,000 bucks. That guy Mike is a motherfucker.

[ManoNegra]

Originally Posted by ixfxi

Skullworks? That company is a sham, worse than clearcorners

They scammed me for over 20,000 bucks. That guy Mike is a motherfucker.

Originally Posted by Johnphen

damn, sucks to hear. Nobody likes to hear that kinda stuff as an enthusiast, hope karma kicks in for whatever they did.

Brackets work like a charm tho?

you're a f-ing a-hole Mike...

[Om1kron]

people named Mike shouldn't do business haha

[KiLLeR2001]

Wayne T. Edwards do you have a Honda background? That would explain a lot...

Originally Posted by KiLLeR2001

Wayne T. Edwards do you have a Honda background? That would explain a lot...

hit the nail on the fucking head HAHHAHAHAA

i dont know why everyone " senses " the honda in him

hey wayne, you like skunk2 products? :-)

[kingkilburn]

I really don't get how the trend of swapping just the fronts for massive brakes persists. Locking up the rears while not having near enough pressure to the front is no fun.

[95KA-Turbo]

Originally Posted by ixfxi

hit the nail on the fucking head HAHHAHAHAA

i dont know why everyone " senses " the honda in him

hey wayne, you like skunk2 products? :-)

Not much to sense, he has a body kit with wheel gap

[Om1kron]

Originally Posted by KiLLeR2001

Wayne T. Edwards do you have a Honda background? That would explain a lot...

NEXT UP, WE SHAVE ENGINE BAYS AND ADD FATLACE STICKERS AND A BOLTBOYS AND RYWIRE KIT TO THE CAR!!!

Originally Posted by ixfxi

hit the nail on the fucking head HAHHAHAHAA

i dont know why everyone " senses " the honda in him

hey wayne, you like skunk2 products? :-)

Actually was a fan of omni power when I was driving my other honda! But yeah I used to like them.

Everyone was 19 at least once.



sold that bought this hatch (SHOULD HAVE NEVER SOLD IT EITHER) had an lsd in the trans with the single cam dumped on like 10/12k springs shit was hilarious to drive



But too much attention brought me to this.



And then the economy took my job and my wheels shortly after. I dipped around in my brothers cars a bit. A b16a2 swapped crx (funny I never pushed that car at all and it felt disgustingly heavy), as well as his subaru wrx (such a boring car)



Honda American finance got sued and cut me a sweet ass check cause apparently I wasn't the only one who got fucked out of a car on some gorilla repo/re-sell and try to come after you for the remainder of the loan for the car you don't have anymore shit they were pulling. So that's where I severed my ties and finally decided to take a personal loan from a buddy and buy a 240 since I was trying to get rid of the red car for one yeaaaaars ago. It was my first car my parents helped me buy (co signed) so I didn't know a lot about shit unless it was in super street. I'm just like every other fanboi who saw drifting and wanted a dorifto 40.

Then I got older and realized drifting is gay, but 240's still are cool.

[KiLLeR2001]

^ LOL nice post. You may be part of the Nissan family now, but every ex-Honda owner that went Nissan I've known; randomly their HondAIDS will flare up and you get ideas like Wilwood big brake setups on stock master cylinders, body kits with hellaflush fitment, 225 tires on 10.5 wheels etc. Always gotta smack 'em up side the head to keep them in check.