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champagnes13 · 11-30-2007, 06:37 PM

whats the eta on mine?

MegasquirtCA · 11-30-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by champagnes13

whats the eta on mine?

whoops totally forgot to include you. Yours is the same as as Gotta240 I should have it out next week.

gotta240 · 11-30-2007, 08:22 PM

how much would you charge us who haven't had ours shipped yet, to use the new case? That way we wouldn't have to send it back to get the upgraded case.

MegasquirtCA · 12-01-2007, 10:12 AM

Which case would you like? They are pretty much the same price usually $8-$10.

gotta240 · 12-01-2007, 06:51 PM

the smallest one possible.

frosti108 · 12-04-2007, 09:07 PM

i called to my other house in nj, my widebands there (w00t) im goin friday to check it out, put it in the car...

now, can i calibrate it on a regular comp?? because i dont have a laptop. does it have whatever cable i need for it?

thanks

MegasquirtCA · 12-04-2007, 09:56 PM

Yup just install the software on any Windows computer.

It doesnt include the cable but any local computer store like Compusa, Best Buy, Radioshack, Walmart should have it for around $5

Your gonna need a Female Serial to Male Serial cable also known as Female DB9 to Male DB9 cable.

If your computer doesnt have a serial connection than you can purchase a Serial to USB apator. Just make sure the wideband side is Serial Male.

frosti108 · 12-09-2007, 08:17 PM

i got my wideband and everything seemed good. didnt get a chance to run out and get the connection for my computer so i still havent used it. 1 thing i was wondering though, is there anyway for me to get a longer ribbon wire for between the big box and little box? like can i run out to radio shack or something and just plug in a new one??

reason im asking is because i was hoping to mount the small viewer box with the actual a/r readings up in my center vent hole next to my boost gauge. and i dont think theres enough room right behind there for the larger box. if the ribbon were longer i could mount the large box in the glove compartment or somewhere back there and run the ribbon up to the vent hole...

MegasquirtCA · 12-09-2007, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by frosti108

i got my wideband and everything seemed good. didnt get a chance to run out and get the connection for my computer so i still havent used it. 1 thing i was wondering though, is there anyway for me to get a longer ribbon wire for between the big box and little box? like can i run out to radio shack or something and just plug in a new one??

reason im asking is because i was hoping to mount the small viewer box with the actual a/r readings up in my center vent hole next to my boost gauge. and i dont think theres enough room right behind there for the larger box. if the ribbon were longer i could mount the large box in the glove compartment or somewhere back there and run the ribbon up to the vent hole...

Hey Frosti unscrew the 4 screws on the big case. you will see the ribbon is zip tied. Its fairly long I believe over 2ft. just cut the zip tie and pull to the length you want. Rescrew and your set.

Gotta240 I will have yours out tomorrow and will pm you the tracking number.

gotta240 · 12-09-2007, 10:52 PM

you rock. thanks a bunch.

Just curious, does it have the smaller case?

frosti108 · 12-09-2007, 11:01 PM

. . . . . score.

MegasquirtCA · 12-10-2007, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by gotta240

you rock. thanks a bunch.

Just curious, does it have the smaller case?

Unfortunatly no I didn't the electronics store that I get all my stuff from aparently closed shop and moved to Miami.

www.ecemiami.com

they were the ones that carried the case. However though if I did try to get it I wouldn't have been able to get yours done in the time I promised.

However in a few months probably when tax return comes I will buy a few kits and use the new cases.

However the differences will be more professionally done. For example the harness will use a DIN6 socket for cleaner install and when not in use just unplug as opposed to right now where the harness is attached to the board.

However the good news is I will offer you guys the first buyers the chance to buy them at the cost difference. For example you guys paid $110 and if I sell the new kits for $200, just pay $90 send me the old ones and you get a brand new one. I will also try to see if I can implement some type of USB converter for the serial so that you guys can just use USB.

nicku · 12-16-2007, 08:34 PM

can i still order the first version for 110 shipped?

MegasquirtCA · 12-16-2007, 08:51 PM

yes you can however the manufacture is still sold out, but if you like you can still pay and when they arrive I will assemble them the same way.

Version 2 wont be till March

logik23 · 12-16-2007, 09:51 PM

Is my kit ganna be finished soon?

nicku · 12-16-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MegasquirtCA

yes you can however the manufacture is still sold out, but if you like you can still pay and when they arrive I will assemble them the same way.

Version 2 wont be till March

when are they gonna have it in stock? cz i need it really bad...i just got my safc installed and my car is running hella rich now....i need a wideband to tune it asap

punxva · 12-17-2007, 06:32 AM

ok so could i run the o2 in the bung on my testpipe? i know you shouldn't run it in the stock place, so i was wondering if this would suffice.

gotta240 · 12-17-2007, 12:58 PM

What i want to know is why people say you cant run a wideband at ALL TIMES. People say it will burn up the wideband.

HOWEVER, some cars COME with widebands.. Why don't their widebands burn up after constant use? I'm confused.

Ninjabread · 12-17-2007, 01:04 PM

Always wondered too. OEM sensors don't go bad that often, and the bosch wideband sensors are only 60$ anyway. I'd rather be able to monitor my afr's 24/7 and pay 60$ every 2 years when it needs replacing.

statik · 12-17-2007, 01:29 PM

I run a wideband in the stock location with this heatsink, the heatsink goes where the stock O2 goes and has a small opening for exhaust gases to enter, then the wideband screws into that so its not exposed to the extreme temperatures, works perfect.

MegasquirtCA · 12-17-2007, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by logik23

Is my kit ganna be finished soon?

Yours is pretty much done, I just have to solder in the wiring harness. I'm leaving for South America this Sunday the 23rd. So everyone left except for the last person who paid will be shippied out no later than Saturday 22nd Garunteed, tracking numbers will be provided.

Again guys I do apologize for the people who havent gotten them yet. A lot of my free time is gone because of work, school, holiday season, I usually worked on the kits at around 11pm-2am. Also because of my trip I've been going to the USDA and immigration offices to get all my documents ready for my trip, I dont want to say thats more of a priority than your guys stuff but I wasnt left with much choice when I had to do it for my family as well

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Anyways I will be gone Dec 23. and come back Jan 5. I will be going to Colombia in South America.

MegasquirtCA · 12-17-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ziptiedae86

Yeah take a number buddy. I paid 30OCT07 and I'm still waiting. Not a big deal, since OP seems like a busy guy, but I would hope he's making them in the order that payment was received.

That would just be bad business on my part

. At my work station I have a list of the peeps who paid their address, and date payed. So as I complete each kit I check off, package them and print out the label in paypal.

What I tried doing was actually getting them all done at once, I didnt like this method much so I switched over to a bucket work order method. I put all the info and parts in 1 bucket for each customer. Than I look at my paid list and work in order paid.

MegasquirtCA · 12-17-2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gotta240

What i want to know is why people say you cant run a wideband at ALL TIMES. People say it will burn up the wideband.

HOWEVER, some cars COME with widebands.. Why don't their widebands burn up after constant use? I'm confused.

Its not that it will burn up its that it will foul it up if your running rich and give false or delayed readings. Some cars come with widebands but they are usually after the catalytic converter or what VW refers to downstream. VW uses both narrow and wideband. Narrow is refered to upstream which is closer the motor and Wideband refered to downstream which is further away.

MegasquirtCA · 12-17-2007, 02:59 PM

repost

msglngth

gotta240 · 12-17-2007, 07:27 PM

so why not just put it "downstream" in our cars then? Would the readings be any different?

statik · 12-17-2007, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by gotta240

so why not just put it "downstream" in our cars then? Would the readings be any different?

Most people do put it further back, it doesn't effect the readings enough to be an issue, dynos stick the wideband in your muffler and many just rely on that for tuning

gotta240 · 12-17-2007, 07:45 PM

interesting... so i guess i still don't see why nearly everyone says NOT to run it all the time.

The way i see it.

1. run it "downstream" to prevent overheating

2. if you have a wideband you shouldn't be running rich enough to foul it up anyways... i mean, that IS the point of a wideband...

am i totally off here?

statik · 12-17-2007, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by gotta240

interesting... so i guess i still don't see why nearly everyone says NOT to run it all the time.

The way i see it.

1. run it "downstream" to prevent overheating

2. if you have a wideband you shouldn't be running rich enough to foul it up anyways... i mean, that IS the point of a wideband...

am i totally off here?

sounds correct to me, I've never heard anyone say don't run a wideband all the time, if you aren't fouling it or overheating it, it works just like it does in veedubs

GSXRJJordan · 12-17-2007, 08:06 PM

^^^ You don't seem to get it gotta240... a stock "narrowband" o2 sensor is designed to sit in those extreme temps and perform within a very narrow range of AFRs/voltages. Wideband o2 sensors are precision instruments (even the cheap Bosch one), and simply can't take the heat. The difference in that 36" between the turbo and where you're supposed to put the wideband is approx 400* F. Yeah.

In addition to the heat, there's the carbon buildup. Now, stock sensors sit too close to get much carbon buildup - it's too hot for the carbon to "congeal" there. When you start moving back, and the temps come down, the carbon has a chance to stick to stuff - that's why you have more carbon buildup in your muffler tip than your turbo elbow. Running rich just means more carbon.

Statik, that heatsink retails for $90! A regular bung is about $3, and to drill/weld it in would be about $10 at any muffler shop. Sure, you've got double sensors in there, but at least you don't have to mess with your stock harness.

To the OP - great work here. I might be purchasing one of these to support the cause, when your workload slows down a little. Being a former Aircraft Electronics Tech in the Navy, your video with the sig gen and multimeter testing voltage/afr readings made me smile

It's good to see people still use electrical engineering to solve problems ~

MegasquirtCA · 12-17-2007, 08:56 PM

Gotta240 its one thing on factory cars for them to be constantly in. However most of are turbocharged and depending on our tuning systems determines how well the afr's will be but normally with turbocharged engines they are ran a little richer to be on the safe side. The constant richness will in time foul the sensor.

Checked with Innovate to prolong the life of the O2 sensor and continue accurate readings it is recommended to FREE AIR Calibrate the sensor 3 months after first use, than after that calibrate it every 10,000 miles or twice a year which ever comes first. So like on your 2nd or 3rd oil change pull out the sensor from exhaust, let it warm up and hit calibrate.

12-04-2007, 09:07 PM	#156
frosti108 Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Norristown, PA Posts: 281 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	i called to my other house in nj, my widebands there (w00t) im goin friday to check it out, put it in the car... now, can i calibrate it on a regular comp?? because i dont have a laptop. does it have whatever cable i need for it? thanks __________________ Goodnight

12-09-2007, 08:17 PM	#158
frosti108 Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Norristown, PA Posts: 281 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	i got my wideband and everything seemed good. didnt get a chance to run out and get the connection for my computer so i still havent used it. 1 thing i was wondering though, is there anyway for me to get a longer ribbon wire for between the big box and little box? like can i run out to radio shack or something and just plug in a new one?? reason im asking is because i was hoping to mount the small viewer box with the actual a/r readings up in my center vent hole next to my boost gauge. and i dont think theres enough room right behind there for the larger box. if the ribbon were longer i could mount the large box in the glove compartment or somewhere back there and run the ribbon up to the vent hole... __________________ Goodnight

12-09-2007, 11:01 PM	#161
frosti108 Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Norristown, PA Posts: 281 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	. . . . . score. __________________ Goodnight

12-16-2007, 09:51 PM	#165
logik23 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2005 Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Posts: 401 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Is my kit ganna be finished soon? __________________ -1992 Nissan 240SX LE -1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.9 Limited

12-17-2007, 01:04 PM	#169
Ninjabread Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Age: 36 Posts: 3,492 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: Ninjabread Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Always wondered too. OEM sensors don't go bad that often, and the bosch wideband sensors are only 60$ anyway. I'd rather be able to monitor my afr's 24/7 and pay 60$ every 2 years when it needs replacing. __________________ 613DriftWerks.ca

11-30-2007, 06:37 PM	#151
champagnes13 Leaky Injector Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: upstate new york Age: 39 Posts: 104 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	whats the eta on mine?

11-30-2007, 08:22 PM	#153
gotta240 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: so cal Posts: 3,496 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	how much would you charge us who haven't had ours shipped yet, to use the new case? That way we wouldn't have to send it back to get the upgraded case.

12-01-2007, 10:12 AM	#154
MegasquirtCA Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 610 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Which case would you like? They are pretty much the same price usually $8-$10.

12-01-2007, 06:51 PM	#155
gotta240 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: so cal Posts: 3,496 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	the smallest one possible.

12-04-2007, 09:56 PM	#157
MegasquirtCA Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 610 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Yup just install the software on any Windows computer. It doesnt include the cable but any local computer store like Compusa, Best Buy, Radioshack, Walmart should have it for around $5 Your gonna need a Female Serial to Male Serial cable also known as Female DB9 to Male DB9 cable. If your computer doesnt have a serial connection than you can purchase a Serial to USB apator. Just make sure the wideband side is Serial Male.

12-09-2007, 10:52 PM	#160
gotta240 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: so cal Posts: 3,496 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	you rock. thanks a bunch. Just curious, does it have the smaller case?

12-16-2007, 08:34 PM	#163
nicku Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: St. Cloud, MN Age: 41 Posts: 545 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	can i still order the first version for 110 shipped?

12-16-2007, 08:51 PM	#164
MegasquirtCA Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 610 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	yes you can however the manufacture is still sold out, but if you like you can still pay and when they arrive I will assemble them the same way. Version 2 wont be till March

12-17-2007, 12:58 PM	#168
gotta240 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: so cal Posts: 3,496 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	What i want to know is why people say you cant run a wideband at ALL TIMES. People say it will burn up the wideband. HOWEVER, some cars COME with widebands.. Why don't their widebands burn up after constant use? I'm confused.

12-17-2007, 01:29 PM	#170
statik Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Long Island, NY Age: 40 Posts: 1,358 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: statik Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I run a wideband in the stock location with this heatsink, the heatsink goes where the stock O2 goes and has a small opening for exhaust gases to enter, then the wideband screws into that so its not exposed to the extreme temperatures, works perfect. __________________ 97 240sx esaarr \| Current Status: SOLD

12-17-2007, 02:59 PM	#174
MegasquirtCA Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 610 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	repost msglngth

12-17-2007, 07:27 PM	#175
gotta240 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: so cal Posts: 3,496 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	so why not just put it "downstream" in our cars then? Would the readings be any different?

12-17-2007, 07:45 PM	#177
gotta240 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: so cal Posts: 3,496 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	interesting... so i guess i still don't see why nearly everyone says NOT to run it all the time. The way i see it. 1. run it "downstream" to prevent overheating 2. if you have a wideband you shouldn't be running rich enough to foul it up anyways... i mean, that IS the point of a wideband... am i totally off here?

12-17-2007, 08:06 PM	#179
GSXRJJordan Post Whore! Join Date: May 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 9,135 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: GSXRJJordan Feedback Score: 19 reviews	^^^ You don't seem to get it gotta240... a stock "narrowband" o2 sensor is designed to sit in those extreme temps and perform within a very narrow range of AFRs/voltages. Wideband o2 sensors are precision instruments (even the cheap Bosch one), and simply can't take the heat. The difference in that 36" between the turbo and where you're supposed to put the wideband is approx 400* F. Yeah. In addition to the heat, there's the carbon buildup. Now, stock sensors sit too close to get much carbon buildup - it's too hot for the carbon to "congeal" there. When you start moving back, and the temps come down, the carbon has a chance to stick to stuff - that's why you have more carbon buildup in your muffler tip than your turbo elbow. Running rich just means more carbon. Statik, that heatsink retails for $90! A regular bung is about $3, and to drill/weld it in would be about $10 at any muffler shop. Sure, you've got double sensors in there, but at least you don't have to mess with your stock harness. To the OP - great work here. I might be purchasing one of these to support the cause, when your workload slows down a little. Being a former Aircraft Electronics Tech in the Navy, your video with the sig gen and multimeter testing voltage/afr readings made me smile It's good to see people still use electrical engineering to solve problems ~ __________________ Jordan Innovations has a new web site! www.JordanInnovations.com -- All your favorite FD Pro Drifters love it, trust me -- www.JordanInnovations.com

12-17-2007, 08:56 PM	#180
MegasquirtCA Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 610 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Gotta240 its one thing on factory cars for them to be constantly in. However most of are turbocharged and depending on our tuning systems determines how well the afr's will be but normally with turbocharged engines they are ran a little richer to be on the safe side. The constant richness will in time foul the sensor. Checked with Innovate to prolong the life of the O2 sensor and continue accurate readings it is recommended to FREE AIR Calibrate the sensor 3 months after first use, than after that calibrate it every 10,000 miles or twice a year which ever comes first. So like on your 2nd or 3rd oil change pull out the sensor from exhaust, let it warm up and hit calibrate.