The 2020 Presidential Race

[S14rebuild]

^ exactly....i worry about myself and whats mine. I would never expect someone eles tobe there for me, or help. Thats an issuse with this cou try..people fail and expect others to be there to pick them up. Free hand outs..... n put no effort back in after.

[lewisfk]

Originally Posted by S14rebuild

^ exactly....i worry about myself and whats mine. I would never expect someone eles tobe there for me, or help. Thats an issuse with this cou try..people fail and expect others to be there to pick them up. Free hand outs..... n put no effort back in after.

First off its not a hand out to provide assistance. WWI and WWII were not hand outs. You benefit from everyone who works and contributes to this Country. Not everyone in this Country is able to work for various reasons, and is not my job to demean people who cant. Welfare was started during the Great Depression and I EMPLOY you to read who was able to receive those benefits.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by lewisfk

First off its not a hand out to provide assistance. WWI and WWII were not hand outs. You benefit from everyone who works and contributes to this Country. Not everyone in this Country is able to work for various reasons, and is not my job to demean people who cant. Welfare was started during the Great Depression and I EMPLOY you to read who was able to receive those benefits.

I think you mean implore.

And yes that was during the Great Depression.

True not every CAN work. But if you CAN then there’s no reason not to. There’s a difference.

[S14rebuild]

Were not talking about the great depression we are talking about today, now! There are lots of people taking advantage of it, n free hand outs.
I never said cut out assistance. Only stating time to cut out the ones taking advantage.

[lewisfk]

^^ So how do you propose we accomplish this? History repeats itself and some off the trends are apparent in today's economy!

[S14rebuild]

passing a drug test would be a nice start.

[lewisfk]

Florida wasted millions of dollars drug testing people for government assistance and only found 1% used. They spent more money on the drug testing than they would of processing the individuals assistance they requested.

[S14rebuild]

Okay, the war on drugs cost billions..we should give up on that?

What about the war on crime..im sure that costs a crqzy amount too...so just give up on that aswell?

[Future240]

Originally Posted by S14rebuild

Okay, the war on drugs cost billions..we should give up on that?

YES!

The war on drugs is one of the worst decision this country has made. Countless lives have been ruined and it had helped destroy a lot of families.


https://www.history.com/news/america...ng-revived-now

https://www.cato.org/publications/po...lure-war-drugs

https://www.newsweek.com/global-war-...ailure-1181831

https://www.foxnews.com/world/ap-imp...y-of-its-goals

Opinion peace
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-war-on-drugs/

Even Ben Shapiro called it a failure.
https://mobile.twitter.com/benshapir...642112?lang=en

[exitspeed]

I agree the war on drugs and the history behind it (although initially it had good intentions) is very bad. Unfortunately I haven’t heard of a valid alternative, such as legalization starting with marijuana and early education (D.A.R.E. was reeeeeeaaaal effective). Obama passed some grant bs in 2016 that provided funds locally to help treat addicts and overdoses. Hasn’t done shit.

Honestly if there was a real plan to combat addiction presented to Trump he would act. It’s not his job to come up with the solutions. But I genuinely believe if he was presented with one he’d pass it.

This is a very personal topic for me (please be respectful. I don’t speak of this casually) as my mother was a alcoholic and drug addict for the 3/4 of my life and ultimately lost her battle to her drug addiction. We talk about mental health in this country but it’s a real real problem. My mother was in and out of rehab most of my life and could never kick it. But it was her bi polar condition and the traumas of her child hood (which I prefer not to be specific about) that had her going back to the pipe time and time again.

[lewisfk]

The war on drugs was propaganda by the U.S. that incarcerated poor people and minorities for very low possession charges and crimes. Joe Biden help write the crime bill that lead to mass incarceration, that is why the Liberal side of the Democratic Party is kicking his teeth in! The CIA help spread crack through out the Nation to suppress the poor in urban areas and to fund the Iran war. The Iran–Contra affair, popularized in Iran as the McFarlane affair, also referred to as Irangate, Contragate, the Iran–Contra scandal, or simply Iran–Contra, was a political scandal in the United States that occurred during the second term of the Reagan Administration.

[S14rebuild]

Originally Posted by lewisfk

The war on drugs was propaganda by the U.S. that incarcerated poor people and minorities for very low possession charges and crimes. Joe Biden help write the crime bill that lead to mass incarceration, that is why the Liberal side of the Democratic Party is kicking his teeth in! The CIA help spread crack through out the Nation to suppress the poor in urban areas and to fund the Iran war. The Iran–Contra affair, popularized in Iran as the McFarlane affair, also referred to as Irangate, Contragate, the Iran–Contra scandal, or simply Iran–Contra, was a political scandal in the United States that occurred during the second term of the Reagan Administration.

Wheres all this proof...sound like someone only wants to hear themself talk. One wat thinker. Has an answer for everything but is never wrong. Im glad u have ur opinions and i have mine. But its people like u that will state and bs comment or statement to put themselves on top are whats wrong here. U can state whatever histroy article or twisted fact u want but me and more then half this country voted our great presidential leader in, and it will happen again. Im not sorry u cant accept that.

[midnight zenki]

Originally Posted by S14rebuild

Wheres all this proof...sound like someone only wants to hear themself talk. One wat thinker. Has an answer for everything but is never wrong. Im glad u have ur opinions and i have mine. But its people like u that will state and bs comment or statement to put themselves on top are whats wrong here. U can state whatever histroy article or twisted fact u want but me and more then half this country voted our great presidential leader in, and it will happen again. Im not sorry u cant accept that.

Wrong, the electoral college voted him in, approximately 40% of the people voted for him and those who didn’t vote at all we’re truly responsible for the “great leader” being elected.

[lewisfk]

Originally Posted by S14rebuild

Wheres all this proof...sound like someone only wants to hear themself talk. One wat thinker. Has an answer for everything but is never wrong. Im glad u have ur opinions and i have mine. But its people like u that will state and bs comment or statement to put themselves on top are whats wrong here. U can state whatever histroy article or twisted fact u want but me and more then half this country voted our great presidential leader in, and it will happen again. Im not sorry u cant accept that.

ITS CALLED THE STATUE OF LIMITATIONS! The CIA admitted to using seized assets from American citizens to fund wars. Most Police departments use the same tactics to seize your money or personnel items when they arrest an individual regardless if your guilty or innocent! The Supreme Court just ruled it unlawful, and the Court must decide what is seized from an American citizen.

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu//NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/index.html

http://www.abajournal.com/news/artic...lies-to-states

[Future240]

My opinion on the drug war is we need to start with honesty.


Just look at the schedule.


LSD and weed are schedule 1 yet fucking METH and coke is Schedule 2.


I also believe we need to take a proactive approach instead of reactive.


We cannot legislate morality. The sooner politicians learn that the better. Instead of massive sentences for users, how about treatment programs. Users are low hanging fruit cops can use to up drug bust numbers. Lets target dealers not users.


Treat drugs like they deserve to be treated. Regulate and legalize weed and shrooms. LSD and Ecstasy should be schedule 3. Possessing not an offense but selling is. The cops could sell drug testing kits that will show if your shit is laced.


Meth, heroin, fentanyl, crack and cocaine all schedule 1. Users get treatment programs vs jail time. The programs could be paid for by the taxes from legalized weed and shrooms.


My personal belief is drugs are man made. Items that grow hear naturally were put here by God and have there purposes. People have used cannabis for centuries with no issue. It only became a "drug" when it was classified as one.


Look at the dutch and their coffee shops. It can work. No one wants something like the Chinese opium crisis, but we cannot pretend anymore the propaganda we were fed as kids is true.
Schedule I

Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. Some examples of Schedule I drugs are:

• heroin
• lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD)
• marijuana (cannabis)
• 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (ecstasy),
• methaqualone
• peyote

Schedule II drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with a high potential for abuse, with use potentially leading to severe psychological or physical dependence. These drugs are also considered dangerous. Some examples of Schedule II drugs are:

• Combination products with less than 15 milligrams of hydrocodone per dosage unit (Vicodin)
• cocaine
• methamphetamine
• methadone
• hydromorphone (Dilaudid)
• meperidine (Demerol)
• oxycodone (OxyContin)
• fentanyl
• Dexedrine
• Adderall
• Ritalin

[exitspeed]

My problem is with the legalizing weed is it hasn't done all the the things the legalization proponents claimed it would do. For instance eliminating the black market. In fact the black market in the states that have legalized it weed has skyrocketed (black market is 70-80% of sales). So while the states are getting some additional taxes from sales, it's a fraction of what it should be and has actually lead to more illegal activity. Why pay uncle sam when you can sell the shit illegally and make more money like drug dealers always have.

In California, early projections anticipated annual cannabis tax receipts of more than $1 billion by 2018. But those predictions were far off, with $345 million actually collected last year

In another tactic aimed at illegal dispensaries, the Los Angeles Police Department has accompanied city officials on operations in which they shut off utilities at illegal stores. Nevertheless, about 55% of the stores reopen within a week

LA. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/11/las-...-business.html

Same shit in MASS. https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/mar...bEL/story.html

In the case of MI, they are so broke they can't even do anything about it, thus hurting the people that want to follow the laws. https://www.mlive.com/news/2019/08/w...eed-slide.html

So here is an example of you give an inch and they take a mile. People STILL want to break the law even when they literally don't have to.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

My problem is with the legalizing weed is it hasn't done all the the things the legalization proponents claimed it would do. For instance eliminating the black market. In fact the black market in the states that have legalized it weed has skyrocketed (black market is 70-80% of sales). So while the states are getting some additional taxes from sales, it's a fraction of what it should be and has actually lead to more illegal activity. Why pay uncle sam when you can sell the shit illegally and make more money like drug dealers always have.





LA. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/11/las-...-business.html

Same shit in MASS. https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/mar...bEL/story.html

In the case of MI, they are so broke they can't even do anything about it, thus hurting the people that want to follow the laws. https://www.mlive.com/news/2019/08/w...eed-slide.html

So here is an example of you give an inch and they take a mile. People STILL want to break the law even when they literally don't have to.

Yes it is true. Like the article I posted says. It is going to take a while for the legal system to catch up to the highly established black market. The same for the police force. The sales prove the demand is there. One just has to make the legal market match the demand. I went to Colorado the taxes made a 20-ish bottle of gummy’s over 40 bucks. If you know someone who makes edibles who can get you the same thing for 20 bucks you were clearly going to go to the person that is cheaper.

I am well aware that legal businesses have overhead that illegal businesses do not. However that is when both laws and the market will have to find a way to catch up to the illegal market. The enforcement will also have to change to drive out illegal shops versus individual users I am well aware that legal businesses have overhead that illegal businesses do not. However that is when both laws and the market will have to find a way to catch up to the illegal market. The enforcement will also have to change to drive out illegal shops versus individual users.

As More states have access the cross state illegal to will also become a non-issue as Morse states have access the cross state elite galaxy will also become a non-issue.

My issue with illegal proponents is they offer no other solution. The country was sold a lie about reefer madness. We have draconian drug laws based off of these lies we were told. It has directly affected a lot of the country. Yet they simply want to keep doing it the same all the way despite the fact It being illegal has done little to curb the demand. The only thing is done is fill the coffers of those profiting off of those who are in prison.

This is America. It’s supposed to be a country built off of freedom and personal choice without a nanny state to tell you what you can and can’t do to yourself. Same goes for the 2A.

I am personally against laws that attempt to legislate morality. Like in the south we have blue laws. If anyone is not familiar with a blue law it’s a law based on pseudo biblical principles such as not buying alcohol on Sunday or at all in the county. In my county we cannot buy alcohol on Sunday before 12 PM. To me that is asinine. There is no good reason why one should not be to purchase alcohol if they so chose to on Sunday morning. Some counties have even taken it so far wear bars cannot pour drinks after 2:30 AM on a Saturday.

https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2019/08...eed-dispensary

[exitspeed]

^
Im totally realistic about shit. It’s going to be legal everywhere. I’m for it becoming legal. I just don’t think it’s going to have the positive impact that proponents promise. And virtually all studies into the impact of the states that have legalized it show exactly that I’m almost every facet.

And while Refer Madness was ludicrous, the real world effects are being shown to not be ludicrous, but real. This no doubt is compounded today because the strains now are more that 100% more potent. This ain’t the weed I was smoking in HS and I was smoking the good shit back then. Again I just go off of my real world experiences. One of THE smartest dudes I went to HS with (I probably wouldn’t have graduated at al if he didn’t let me copy his homework every day) used to deal and smoke. Ran into him about 8 years later applying for a job where I worked and dude was high af and noticeably less with it. My nephew right now just smokes weed all damn day and is totally useless.

The main difference I see between alcohol and weed is people that are frequent weed users are ok with being high all day. I drink damn near every day but not while I’m fucking working or doing the daily shit. I work with multiple people that will do edibles during the work day. And remember I live in one of the drunkest places on earth. Plenty of folks here to compare shit to.

But again, I’m realistic, it’s happening no matter what. Only time will tell really. I hope it’s positive in the end.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/04/o...alization.html

Originally Posted by lewisfk

That's why is use CSPAN and NPR

Really? NPR? Really bruh? I’m sure there’s looooots of positive stories about Trump on there. *sarcasm Shits like the radio MSNBC. Lol.

[lewisfk]

That's why is use CSPAN and NPR

[lewisfk]

NPR ranks number one for journalistic integrity, there not Fox News or MSNBC! Hell FOX News can't even beat the Daily Show with facts. You can YouTube the beef between John Stewart and Bill O'Reilly over which network traffic in lies!

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by lewisfk

NPR ranks number one for journalistic integrity, there not Fox News or MSNBC! Hell FOX News can't even beat the Daily Show with facts. You can YouTube the beef between John Stewart and Bill O'Reilly over which network traffic in lies!

Be that as it may, give me one example of a positive story they’ve reported...

And yes, Fox News is trash.

[midnight zenki]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Be that as it may, give me one example of a positive story they’ve reported...

And yes, Fox News is trash.

It does exist, https://www.npr.org/2019/07/19/74350...ing-reform-law. Maybe you should apply Occam's Razor to the whole "show me positive coverage of Trump" complaint with NPR...it's probably because there is not much positive to be reported on in the first place.

[Future240]

BBC
Politico
New York Times
Daily wire

These are the sites I read.

[lewisfk]

Am I the only one who listens to NPR? NPR allows Republicans, Democrats, and Independents to debate their ideals, and prides itself in being factually correct! I cannot help it that the current President doesn't get the FOX News reach around from NPR journalist!

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by midnight zenki

It does exist, https://www.npr.org/2019/07/19/74350...ing-reform-law. Maybe you should apply Occam's Razor to the whole "show me positive coverage of Trump" complaint with NPR...it's probably because there is not much positive to be reported on in the first place.

That’s my point. Saying the president has done one good thing since he’s been in office is dishonest. NPR may have accurate coverage but they still refuse to talk about the positives (and I’m pretty sure they were all over the Russian collusion hoax). They are part of the 92% negative reporting. And the fact that there is THAT high of a percentage actually proves Occam’s Razor theory. The most obvious explanation is the media is incredibly biased. Which is not surprising considering the overwhelming majority of the media identify as liberals. It’s confirmation bias. The media doesn’t want to believe there’s anything positive to report and therefore won’t report anything positive, thus proving to themselves (and you folks) there is nothing positive.

https://www.investors.com/politics/e...as-left-study/

[exitspeed]

Not to detail the thread too much but this just showed up in my feed.

Young people who regularly use marijuana are "more likely to show a decline in IQ and school performance [and] are more apt to miss classes," Adams said. And frequent use of the drug can also impair a child's attention, memory and decision-making.

In addition, it can be habit-forming.

"Nearly 1 in 5 people who begin marijuana use during adolescence become addicted,"

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...ction-and-harm

[Future240]

Makes sense. Kids should not be using substances like weed, alcohol or cigs.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Future240

Makes sense. Kids should not be using substances like weed, alcohol or cigs.

But can they take hormone blockers?

[Future240]

Originally Posted by Corbic

But can they take hormone blockers?

Only if their parents are fucking idiots.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Future240

Only if their parents are fucking idiots.

So can kids smoke weed if it's okay with their parents?