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simmode1 · 10-12-2009, 02:07 PM

I totally forgot all about the Mini Cooper. I guess it is still possible for car makers to build a lightwieght 2+2...

I went to MSN.com and did a comparison on the Mini Cooper to other vehicles in it's demographic and it seems that the current gen Civic coupe also wieghs in under 2700lbs...
These are good signs...

SR_Vlurs · 10-12-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by OptionZero

I would much rather the car be 2600 lbs or less, come with only 150-160hp, but come in at or under $20k.

Cheaper insurance, better mileage, more sales, more incentive for aftermarket development, more capital to reinvest in TRD programs.

You can always add power (esp. the way modern cars are tuned like shit from the factory), even w/ NA cars.

Do what Renault (Twingo) and Mitsubishi (EVO 8 RS) did and offer a stripper race version that's actually even lower cost.

Less weight > all.

i agree with zero here but i would prefer for toyota to make it around 200 or so hp
but yea nissan needs to get their shit rolling....

WILDACEX187 · 10-12-2009, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SR_Vlurs

i agree with zero here but i would prefer for toyota to make it around 200 or so hp
but yea nissan needs to get their shit rolling....

subaru doesnt make any n/a 2.0 200hp engines so dont keep your hopes up.

DreamN · 10-12-2009, 07:12 PM

^ but toyota can bump it up a little closer to that mark, which is actually what's being planned supposedly.

Pactin · 10-12-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DreamN

^ but toyota can bump it up a little closer to that mark, which is actually what's being planned supposedly.

^VVTLI should help give it some more power. Not to mention Subaru ridiculously detunes their engines.

WILDACEX187 · 10-13-2009, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pactin

^VVTLI should help give it some more power. Not to mention Subaru ridiculously detunes their engines.

vvtli is a toyota thing that will not work on a ej20. i dont even think ej20's came with avcs. dont hold your breath on 200 hp 2.0 boxer motor. my guesstimate is around 170-185hp mark.

Pactin · 10-13-2009, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by WILDACEX187

vvtli is a toyota thing that will not work on a ej20. i dont even think ej20's came with avcs. dont hold your breath on 200 hp 2.0 boxer motor. my guesstimate is around 170-185hp mark.

You're right, only the 2.5L came w/ AVCS. But honestly, how hard is it to put in some extra cam profiles and timing?

*exitspeed* · 10-13-2009, 09:43 AM

OH GOD NO! DON'T WANT!

I hope we don't get this version. The proportsions are exactly what I DON'T want out of this thing. It doesn't look as bad from the back, kinda BMW-like. But nothing like the sexy FT86 version. I will be PISSED THE FUCK OFF if we only get this version.
Spy Shots: Toyota-Subaru coupe prototype caught ringin' der NÃ¼rburg — Autoblog

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Toyota's FT-86 concept, which will be officially unveiled at next week's Tokyo Motor Show, combines attractive, aggressive aesthetics, rear-wheel drive and a Subaru-sourced boxer engine with the hopes of injecting a bit of passion into the Japanese automaker's admittedly sterile lineup. And since the vehicle has reportedly been a collaboration between Toyota and Subaru all along, we've been anxiously awaiting the Subaru-branded coupe that is sure to follow.

Last week, we gave you an update regarding Subaru's progress with its half of the Toyobaru project, complete with a sketch-tastic rendering from the UK's Autocar. Fast forward to today, and although we can't be sure if this Nürburgring-circling, cobbled-together prototype is a Subaru effort or a Toyota joint, it appears to be a development of the FT-86 that we know is headed for production.

As shot here by our friends at KGP Photography, the little coupe is well disguised, but it looks like a Fuji Heavy project to us, as it shares some Subaru design hallmarks. Up front, the masked prototype takes on the basic shape of the WRX, with bold, bulging curves and a snub nose. There is no trademark Subaru hood scoop, but the big hood has a very aggressive appearance. Out back, the car's rump is also Impreza hatch-like, with a massive rear wing disguised by some heavy camo. It isn't at all clear that what's seen here is in any way, shape or form production bodywork, but we wouldn't be surprised to see the Scooby crew adopt a chunkier aesthetic than their compatriots at Toyota.

The basic layout of the vehicle also appears to favor motivation via the rear wheels, as the 2+2 cabin is pushed back over the rear axle. The Subaru will likely sport the same direct injection 2.0-liter boxer engine currently sitting under the hood of the Toyota concept. If the little boxer can indeed produce nearly 200 horsepower as has been rumored, we're thinking it will be solid punch for the Subaru, as the Toyota FT-86 is nearly a foot shorter than an Impreza and the spy photos show what appears to be a very small form factor. Add turbocharging down the line and we suspect you've got a tuner's delight capable of taking on the big boys.

Word on the street is that Subaru isn't quite sold on the idea of the Toyota-designed rear-wheel drive platform, which may or may not be able to accommodate Subaru's signature all-wheel drive setup. We're not sure that theory makes much sense if the two are collaborating on concept versions of the vehicle, and it would be difficult to understand how Subaru could enter such an agreement without first knowing whether it could add its trademark drivetrain, but we've heard this word ourselves from Subie folks as well, so perhaps Toyota is throwing some of its weight around.

Check out the high-res gallery below and our spy shooter's thoughts after the jump.

***Future240*** · 10-13-2009, 09:46 AM

^DO NOT WANT!!!!

That is fugly. I would rather drive an 96 Acura Integra.

SimpleS14 · 10-13-2009, 12:14 PM

It's a test mule with cobbled up pieces from the parts bin.

Remember the test mule for the Mercedes SLS that had cobbled bits from the Dodge Viper?
Mercedes Amg Prototype Spy Shots — Autoblog

If anything should be taken seriously....it would be just the wheelbase.

*exitspeed* · 10-13-2009, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SimpleS14

It's a test mule with cobbled up pieces from the parts bin.

Remember the test mule for the Mercedes SLS that had cobbled bits from the Dodge Viper?
Mercedes Amg Prototype Spy Shots — Autoblog

If anything should be taken seriously....it would be just the wheelbase.

I know I know. But just saying...

***Future240*** · 10-13-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by exitspeed

I know I know. But just saying...WHAT IF

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I would hope Toyo/Suby could see that thing is hideous and not release it, then again someone had to approve the Pontiac Aztec too and we all see how that went.

The Nissan fanboy deep inside me wants to believe that Nissan is sitting back biding their time. The quiet before the storm.

The realist in me however is wondering how the new 86 is going to perform against the Genesis.

*exitspeed* · 10-13-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by future240

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I would hope Toyo/Suby could see that thing is hideous and not release it, then again someone had to approve the Pontiac Aztec too and we all see how that went.

The Nissan fanboy deep inside me wants to believe that Nissan is sitting back biding their time. The quiet before the storm.

The realist in me however is wondering how the new 86 is going to perform against the Genesis.

They were quit about the Leaf. They let GM make a big deal about the Volt and then BAM came out with a ball buster. So who knows.

Neejay · 10-13-2009, 01:16 PM

Wouldn't surprise me. The new WRX looks like shit to me (minus STI).

murda-c · 10-13-2009, 01:23 PM

Someone chop the roof, photoshop sucks on my laptop.

*exitspeed* · 10-13-2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Neejay

Wouldn't surprise me. The new WRX looks like shit to me (even the STI).

See what I did there?

SimpleS14 · 10-13-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by exitspeed

They were quit about the Leaf. They let GM make a big deal about the Volt and then BAM came out with a ball buster. So who knows.

Yes, Nissan can be very quiet when it comes to future cars. We won't know anything until a near production prototype or test mule is spotted. Then Nissan will admit they are working on said car.

Tignometry · 10-13-2009, 01:36 PM

test mule or prototype the body looks like crap. body panels & lights from different cars. Also looks like a cut-in-half sedan meshed with a hatchback from who knows what kinda car.

*exitspeed* · 10-13-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SimpleS14

Yes, Nissan can be very quiet when it comes to future cars. We won't know anything until a near production prototype or test mule is spotted. Then Nissan will admit they are working on said car.

Only car I can think of in recent memory they did the opposite with was the Skyline/GTR and the 350z. But that was damn near 10 years ago now that those original concepts came out. At least it feels like it's been that long.

***Future240*** · 10-13-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by exitspeed

Only car I can think of in recent memory they did the opposite with was the Skyline/GTR and the 350z. But that was damn near 10 years ago now that those original concepts came out. At least it feels like it's been that long.

They just did the opposite with the opposite with the next GTR. Though I can see them letting the genesis and the Ft86 build up anticipation for them and then just drop a bomb and act like nothin happened. When is the next major autoshow?

*exitspeed* · 10-13-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by future240

They just did the opposite with the opposite with the next GTR. Though I can see them letting the genesis and the Ft86 build up anticipation for them and then just drop a bomb and act like nothin happened. When is the next major autoshow?

I was referring to the current gen GTR. The original GTR concept came out in like 2001. It went through several iterations before it came to be what it is today some 8 years later.

I don't want to see that happen with an SX.

It's equally not as important and as import as the GTR. If that makes sense.

Flicktitty · 10-13-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by exitspeed

what the fuck is that?

SR_Vlurs · 10-13-2009, 03:07 PM

^^ hopefully its just like what they said a mashed up body and btw WILDACEX187 read the article about the FT-86 they said they were gonna try to produce 200hp from that motor bro

SimpleS14 · 10-13-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by exitspeed

Only car I can think of in recent memory they did the opposite with was the Skyline/GTR and the 350z. But that was damn near 10 years ago now that those original concepts came out. At least it feels like it's been that long.

True, but they were like this with the 370z, Maxima, Altima Coupe and G convertible.

Even though we all felt confident these models would come out.

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Originally Posted by future240

When is the next major autoshow?

Toyko Motor Show 2009 (next week)

*exitspeed* · 10-13-2009, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SimpleS14

Even though we all felt confident these models would come out.

Amen brother.

***dorkidori_s13*** · 10-13-2009, 04:00 PM

im sure the rear window and quater panel areas are going to change considerably when debuts...will prolly still hold that bulbus butt rear end thing subbie has going on in the WRX...but this looks like a chassis test built on a very early version of the sheet metal

need i remind you guys of the cut up G35 coupe that was the GTRs test chassis that was photgraphed traveling around the nurburgring some number of years ago before the GTR came out in almost production sheet metal??? wasnt exactly pretty, and thats for damn sure

this mule reminds me of the one that popped out last year sometime (it was a white test mule that was spotted in japan i believe)...i think mel posted it some 20-30 pages ago???

Homer_Simpson · 10-13-2009, 04:28 PM

I hope that is just a test mule of the car. There's no way in hell I would come near something like that.

meteorite_flo · 10-13-2009, 04:38 PM

of course it's just a test mule, that shit looks super deformed.

WILDACEX187 · 10-13-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SR_Vlurs

^^ hopefully its just like what they said a mashed up body and btw WILDACEX187 read the article about the FT-86 they said they were gonna try to produce 200hp from that motor bro

im done with this topic

***Future240*** · 10-13-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by exitspeed

I was referring to the current gen GTR. The original GTR concept came out in like 2001. It went through several iterations before it came to be what it is today some 8 years later.

I don't want to see that happen with an SX.

It's equally not as important and as import as the GTR. If that makes sense.

I think they may have made that to build anticipation. The Skylines were legendary all over. They had to spend that time to make sure the GTR was the shit. 240's don't even have half the allure. When the economy was in its shittiest point all the car manufactures supposedly cancelled their cars around the same time. Now that Hyundai and Toyota are going to have entry level, RWD turbo I4's it makes sense for Nissan to do the same.

It would bring their line up back to what it once was.

Silvia-Fair Lady-Skyline
SX-370z-GTR

It would be killer if they brought out a concept at the Tokyo auto show, but that is super fan boy dreaming

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SimpleS14 Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Philly Age: 41 Posts: 9,185 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: SimpleS14 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	It's a test mule with cobbled up pieces from the parts bin. Remember the test mule for the Mercedes SLS that had cobbled bits from the Dodge Viper? Mercedes Amg Prototype Spy Shots — Autoblog If anything should be taken seriously....it would be just the wheelbase. __________________ *Goals are dreams with a deadline.* L.H.O.O.Q.

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SR_Vlurs Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: in the worse place in the world ..... Posts: 284 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	^^ hopefully its just like what they said a mashed up body and btw WILDACEX187 read the article about the FT-86 they said they were gonna try to produce 200hp from that motor bro __________________ ¿$phinx?

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simmode1 Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Addison, TX Posts: 5,526 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I totally forgot all about the Mini Cooper. I guess it is still possible for car makers to build a lightwieght 2+2... I went to MSN.com and did a comparison on the Mini Cooper to other vehicles in it's demographic and it seems that the current gen Civic coupe also wieghs in under 2700lbs... These are good signs...

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Tignometry Leaky Injector Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Orange County Age: 35 Posts: 113 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	test mule or prototype the body looks like crap. body panels & lights from different cars. Also looks like a cut-in-half sedan meshed with a hatchback from who knows what kinda car.

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Homer_Simpson Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Back in the Bay! Posts: 619 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	I hope that is just a test mule of the car. There's no way in hell I would come near something like that.

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