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S14_Kouki · 09-28-2009, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by longfellow

I'm working on making a seat for my friends 73 CB350 Cafe Racer.

Any pics???

93nismo · 09-28-2009, 12:22 PM

maybe its just me and the fact i daily my car and such. but seeing a rail choped and patched like that just makes me cringe.. i realize its for a reason yes. but if he get hit hes fucked.. i unno. thats just me i guess. and when im welding, im still learning, but im always covered. helmet, gloves, jacket. the whole thing man. not worth not having it in my opinion

longfellow · 09-28-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by S14_Kouki

Any pics???

None yet, I'll get some as it comes along. I'm not sure how this one is going to turn out. I might re-make it and change the design a little. We'll see.

GSXRJJordan · 09-28-2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 93nismo

maybe its just me and the fact i daily my car and such. but seeing a rail choped and patched like that just makes me cringe.. i realize its for a reason yes. but if he get hit hes fucked.. i unno. thats just me i guess. and when im welding, im still learning, but im always covered. helmet, gloves, jacket. the whole thing man. not worth not having it in my opinion

Wait, so you think that:
1) Grant's car won't see street use?

and

2) That frame modification makes the car less safe?

How is he "fucked" if he gets hit? The frame is now fully boxed, instead of having two creases pinched and spot-welded, it's much more resistant to deflection/deformation on all axis from what I can see, especially laterally from "getting hit".

Just saying, just because the welding job wasn't pretty doesn't mean it's not a structural improvement overall.

93nismo · 09-28-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GSXRJJordan

Wait, so you think that:
1) Grant's car won't see street use?

and

2) That frame modification makes the car less safe?

How is he "fucked" if he gets hit? The frame is now fully boxed, instead of having two creases pinched and spot-welded, it's much more resistant to deflection/deformation on all axis from what I can see, especially laterally from "getting hit".

Just saying, just because the welding job wasn't pretty doesn't mean it's not a structural improvement overall.

i guess i should have explained more. i dident mean to say his wouldent see street use at all. and im sure his welding was great. no it dident lok pretty but that dosent mean it dident do the job. what i ment was this:

by changing the factory way the rail was created may, quote May, interfear with certain things like crush zones and other parts of the structure of the car possibly makeing it not do its job in an accident. the rail was made that way for a reason. be it simplicity and the fact that it was easy to do, or that it effects the way the structure will act during a collision. its not smart doing stuff like that to rails simply because it changes how the car will react in an accident. so if its weaker, wich i doubt it is in his car, it will crush easier meaning it will probably effect the passenge area of the car. and if its stronger then it should be, it may not bend, kink, or crush at all. makeing the passenger area more vaulnerable to getting smashed together. either way itl effect the way the car performs in a hard hit. its just not as safe is basicly what im saying.

i dident mean to sound like i was telling him he did a shity job or anything. as far as the weld itself, looks a hell of alot better then my overhead welds right now. i unno, i guess its just not something id consider doing to my car.

sorry for the bad spelling, hope all that made sense.

GSXRJJordan · 09-28-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 93nismo

i guess i should have explained more. i dident mean to say his wouldent see street use at all. and im sure his welding was great. no it dident lok pretty but that dosent mean it dident do the job. what i ment was this:

by changing the factory way the rail was created may, quote May, interfear with certain things like crush zones and other parts of the structure of the car possibly makeing it not do its job in an accident. the rail was made that way for a reason. be it simplicity and the fact that it was easy to do, or that it effects the way the structure will act during a collision. its not smart doing stuff like that to rails simply because it changes how the car will react in an accident. so if its weaker, wich i doubt it is in his car, it will crush easier meaning it will probably effect the passenge area of the car. and if its stronger then it should be, it may not bend, kink, or crush at all. makeing the passenger area more vaulnerable to getting smashed together. either way itl effect the way the car performs in a hard hit. its just not as safe is basicly what im saying.

i dident mean to sound like i was telling him he did a shity job or anything. as far as the weld itself, looks a hell of alot better then my overhead welds right now. i unno, i guess its just not something id consider doing to my car.

sorry for the bad spelling, hope all that made sense.

Sure, it makes sense! I get this all the time when I tell people my car's fully seam welded - "oh wow, hope you don't get in an accident, it won't crumple!" - I just don't put that much thought/energy into thinking about keeping the car's OEM safety features, which is why I don't have an airbag and don't run the OEM bumper supports. I do, however, keep by door supports, and always wear a seat belt/harness, because I believe both of those things actually can save my life.

Different strokes, I guess. BTW Grant was using a picture he got from someone else, he hasn't actually done the mod yet.

93nismo · 09-28-2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GSXRJJordan

Sure, it makes sense! I get this all the time when I tell people my car's fully seam welded - "oh wow, hope you don't get in an accident, it won't crumple!" - I just don't put that much thought/energy into thinking about keeping the car's OEM safety features, which is why I don't have an airbag and don't run the OEM bumper supports. I do, however, keep by door supports, and always wear a seat belt/harness, because I believe both of those things actually can save my life.

Different strokes, I guess. BTW Grant was using a picture he got from someone else, he hasn't actually done the mod yet.

well im glad i cleared that up and such. seam welding probly wont effect it nearly as much as the frame mod that was shown. i guess im just a little more worried about that stuff. and insurence probly wont cover you if you dont have that stuff on to. so i dont have much of an option:P

however, the rail idea does seem very useful... haha

*MELLO*SOS* · 09-29-2009, 11:43 PM

Made a quick heatshield for my RB HKS manifold:

Not my best welds ever but I'm sure it will hold, hopefully it helps a little with the heat. Comment/suggestions from the fab gurus?

S14_Kouki · 09-30-2009, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MELLO*SOS

Not my best welds ever but I'm sure it will hold, hopefully it helps a little with the heat. Comment/suggestions from the fab gurus?

Not bad you should get it powder coated. And personally I would have tiged it

93nismo · 09-30-2009, 12:05 PM

im not sure if this is were i should ask, but has anybody ever had issues with miller welders? i think the one i was useing was the little 110v. not entirely sure tho. it just dident seem to want to coperate with me today. it kept popin and shit. it was dialed in right any everything. even the instructer said he dident know what was up

S14_Kouki · 10-01-2009, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 93nismo

im not sure if this is were i should ask, but has anybody ever had issues with miller welders? i think the one i was useing was the little 110v. not entirely sure tho. it just dident seem to want to coperate with me today. it kept popin and shit. it was dialed in right any everything. even the instructer said he dident know what was up

Make sure you are welding on something clean. Dirt and other contaminates will make it do that.

Something new we finished the heat shield sorry for the nasty tig welding my partner welded it. We just have to powder coat it now.

My bandsaw

its alittle dirty

and the srt new water line/pipe just needs a good polish now.

ballinnmiami240sx · 10-02-2009, 08:51 AM

How much tubing do you guys think I need to make a 6 point cage with door bars?

it will be going in a coupe. I would also like to add a cross bar and x-bar in the rear.

S14_Kouki · 10-02-2009, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ballinnmiami240sx

How much tubing do you guys think I need to make a 6 point cage with door bars?

it will be going in a coupe. I would also like to add a cross bar and x-bar in the rear.

Something like 50-60 feet

ballinnmiami240sx · 10-02-2009, 10:10 AM

I just ordered 100 feet. I could also use a crash bar..muahahaha

S14_Kouki · 10-03-2009, 04:14 PM

Just finished up a NA SR manifold for a zilvia member Xpertsnowcerver
Here are the finished pics

ballinnmiami240sx · 10-03-2009, 04:43 PM

Who do you go thru for your SS bends? Local / any recommendations to an online dealer.

roco · 10-03-2009, 06:32 PM

some savage work there s14 kouki.

S14_Kouki · 10-06-2009, 06:47 PM

OMFG someone help im trying to find that link to that Baller BMW build.. What page is it on????????????

TIG · 10-06-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by S14_Kouki

OMFG someone help im trying to find that link to that Baller BMW build.. What page is it on????????????

Here you go: VWvortex Forums: V10 E30 M3 Build

lazysk8er2 · 10-06-2009, 07:23 PM

i think he means this one http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/128515...ld-thread.html

S14_Kouki · 10-06-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lazysk8er2

i think he means this one http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/128515...ld-thread.html

Thank you both but TIG knows what im talking about thank you

*MELLO*SOS* · 10-09-2009, 11:53 AM

Started putting my "catback" exhaust together for the 13. Nothing special, 3" mild steel to some blast pipes, tucked as high up as possible.

I had a question though, what can I do to reduce splatter? Basic setup: Gas shield MIG, 30 wire E07S6 on 16ga mild 3" and a 3/8" mild flange. To prep I use wire wheel and/or hand files... Honestly I cut corners on cleaning with brake cleaner, rarely if ever do that... MIG gas is 86/14 ar/co2 mix at ~20cfm.

That is a two-pass weld, but it seems like more splatter than usual.

Exhaust so far...

Last question regarding penetration... Obviously this is "just" an exhaust and super deep penetration isn't really needed. But how does this look? To me it seems like I could have laid into it a little more and/or used a little more heat, but I'm not sure.

Always looking to improve my skills, comments/suggestions always welcome!

How are all the other badass projects in here coming along?!!

tt99ol · 10-09-2009, 12:29 PM

exhaust is looking good
plenty of penetration for an exhaust
you should be fine
maybe turn the feed speed down a tiny bit to get rid of the slag splatter

*MELLO*SOS* · 10-09-2009, 12:36 PM

Thanks for the input I'll give that a shot next time. I honestly didn't tune the machine very well, kind of re-used whatever random settings I had on it before.

S14_Kouki · 10-09-2009, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MELLO*SOS

Started putting my "catback" exhaust together for the 13. Nothing special, 3" mild steel to some blast pipes, tucked as high up as possible.

I had a question though, what can I do to reduce splatter? Basic setup: Gas shield MIG, 30 wire E07S6 on 16ga mild 3" and a 3/8" mild flange. To prep I use wire wheel and/or hand files... Honestly I cut corners on cleaning with brake cleaner, rarely if ever do that... MIG gas is 86/14 ar/co2 mix at ~20cfm.

Always looking to improve my skills, comments/suggestions always welcome!

How are all the other badass projects in here coming along?!!

Lookin good those look like some heavy duty welds lol its all good tho. For your splatter they sale anti splatter spray.

The anti splatter is not 100% but it works and just make sure your pieces are clean. As said before you can play with the wire feed also.

*MELLO*SOS* · 10-09-2009, 01:00 PM

I haven't tried the gel, but I do use the spray regularly. I only use it on the nozzle/cup to prevent slag build up. It works great in there, but how would I apply the aersol to the weld without getting it into the bevel/joint prior to welding? Or is that not an issue? I'd think if it gets into the joint it would cause major problems with the weld.

LOL regarding the welds, I only have the MIG at my house now and the first pass had a few holes due to starts/stops. Threw another bead around it since I didn't want to deal with any leaks. Honestly I've had poor luck with other exhausts cracking so I don't mind if it's a little 'industrial' hahaha. Rest of the exhaust I'll try my best on the TIG. Thanks guys for the tips, I'm just some guy who's teaching himself to weld out of curiosity and desire for self-sufficiency!

S14_Kouki · 10-09-2009, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MELLO*SOS

I haven't tried the gel, but I do use the spray regularly. I only use it on the nozzle/cup to prevent slag build up. It works great in there, but how would I apply the aersol to the weld without getting it into the bevel/joint prior to welding? Or is that not an issue? I'd think if it gets into the joint it would cause major problems with the weld.

LOL regarding the welds, I only have the MIG at my house now and the first pass had a few holes due to starts/stops. Threw another bead around it since I didn't want to deal with any leaks. Honestly I've had poor luck with other exhausts cracking so I don't mind if it's a little 'industrial' hahaha. Rest of the exhaust I'll try my best on the TIG. Thanks guys for the tips, I'm just some guy who's teaching himself to weld out of curiosity and desire for self-sufficiency!

At my old work we had the gel and spray. With the gel you just dip the nozzle right in there then start welding that simple. I just spray the nozzle with it, but it would not hurt if you sprayed the piece. Yes it is industrial lmao but shit thats better then it braking. Your doing good just keep welding and you will perfect the art one day.

TIG · 10-09-2009, 04:23 PM

MELLO*SOS I'm going to pretty much echo what S14 Kouki said. Regarding spatter, at work we use spatter spray regularly on anything thats being MIG welded. We do a lot of projects for the Gov't including Dept. of Defense and Dept of Energy. They were fine with anti-spatter being used on the pieces prior to welding when they certified the project and us.

Penetration looks good, but inconsistent. This is likely due to inconsistent speed which you'll get better at with practice.

Keep up the good work.

*MELLO*SOS* · 10-09-2009, 04:46 PM

TIG and S14 Kouki you guys are great, thanks for the tips. Regarding the spray, you just spray down the piece around the joint and it doesn't matter so much if it gets in the joint? I'm assuming the arc is hot enough to burn that stuff away. Wasn't sure if it would cause any issues with the weld later on. pen. is probably not consistent due to doing several start/stops on the first weld. I am still learning how to walk around the piece for fewer stops

Am I the only one working in the garage? When I log into this thread on Monday I wanna see updates from the other baller projects taking place! haha

Have a good weekend zilvia fabricators!!

S14_Kouki · 10-09-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MELLO*SOS

TIG and S14 Kouki you guys are great, thanks for the tips. Regarding the spray, you just spray down the piece around the joint and it doesn't matter so much if it gets in the joint? I'm assuming the arc is hot enough to burn that stuff away. Wasn't sure if it would cause any issues with the weld later on. pen. is probably not consistent due to doing several start/stops on the first weld. I am still learning how to walk around the piece for fewer stops

Am I the only one working in the garage? When I log into this thread on Monday I wanna see updates from the other baller projects taking place! haha

Have a good weekend zilvia fabricators!!

Yeah man just spray it on there. No you are not the only one working in the garage heres my set-up. and I will have updates for you monday on a turbo v8 airboat im starting, no joke lol. Theres actually a write up about my work area/garage on my blog Fabthis.com

My awesome matco table and dynasty 200

Table very messy with projects.

My bandsaw (when it was still new)

09-28-2009, 12:22 PM	#2282
93nismo Zilvia Addict Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: sycamore il Posts: 766 Trader Rating: (14) Feedback Score: 14 reviews	maybe its just me and the fact i daily my car and such. but seeing a rail choped and patched like that just makes me cringe.. i realize its for a reason yes. but if he get hit hes fucked.. i unno. thats just me i guess. and when im welding, im still learning, but im always covered. helmet, gloves, jacket. the whole thing man. not worth not having it in my opinion __________________ WTB: 1/24 scale chuki s13 model.

09-30-2009, 12:05 PM	#2290
93nismo Zilvia Addict Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: sycamore il Posts: 766 Trader Rating: (14) Feedback Score: 14 reviews	im not sure if this is were i should ask, but has anybody ever had issues with miller welders? i think the one i was useing was the little 110v. not entirely sure tho. it just dident seem to want to coperate with me today. it kept popin and shit. it was dialed in right any everything. even the instructer said he dident know what was up __________________ WTB: 1/24 scale chuki s13 model.

10-02-2009, 08:51 AM	#2292
ballinnmiami240sx Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: gloucester, VA Age: 45 Posts: 517 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	How much tubing do you guys think I need to make a 6 point cage with door bars? it will be going in a coupe. I would also like to add a cross bar and x-bar in the rear. __________________ 1994 FD3S Drift // 945garage // sumospeed.com

10-02-2009, 10:10 AM	#2294
ballinnmiami240sx Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: gloucester, VA Age: 45 Posts: 517 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	I just ordered 100 feet. I could also use a crash bar..muahahaha __________________ 1994 FD3S Drift // 945garage // sumospeed.com

10-03-2009, 04:43 PM	#2296
ballinnmiami240sx Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: gloucester, VA Age: 45 Posts: 517 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Who do you go thru for your SS bends? Local / any recommendations to an online dealer. __________________ 1994 FD3S Drift // 945garage // sumospeed.com

09-29-2009, 11:43 PM	#2288
MELLOSOS* LAID OUT Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: LAS VEGAS Age: 42 Posts: 2,015 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: MELLO*SOS Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Made a quick heatshield for my RB HKS manifold: Not my best welds ever but I'm sure it will hold, hopefully it helps a little with the heat. Comment/suggestions from the fab gurus?

10-03-2009, 04:14 PM	#2295
S14_Kouki Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 1,947 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Just finished up a NA SR manifold for a zilvia member Xpertsnowcerver Here are the finished pics

10-03-2009, 06:32 PM	#2297
roco Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: IRELAND Age: 38 Posts: 145 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	some savage work there s14 kouki. __________________ "Racing is life. Everything else that happens before or after is just waiting." ~Steve McQueen [Le Mans -1970]

10-06-2009, 06:47 PM	#2298
S14_Kouki Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 1,947 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	OMFG someone help im trying to find that link to that Baller BMW build.. What page is it on????????????

10-09-2009, 11:53 AM	#2302
MELLOSOS* LAID OUT Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: LAS VEGAS Age: 42 Posts: 2,015 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: MELLO*SOS Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Started putting my "catback" exhaust together for the 13. Nothing special, 3" mild steel to some blast pipes, tucked as high up as possible. I had a question though, what can I do to reduce splatter? Basic setup: Gas shield MIG, 30 wire E07S6 on 16ga mild 3" and a 3/8" mild flange. To prep I use wire wheel and/or hand files... Honestly I cut corners on cleaning with brake cleaner, rarely if ever do that... MIG gas is 86/14 ar/co2 mix at ~20cfm. That is a two-pass weld, but it seems like more splatter than usual. Exhaust so far... Last question regarding penetration... Obviously this is "just" an exhaust and super deep penetration isn't really needed. But how does this look? To me it seems like I could have laid into it a little more and/or used a little more heat, but I'm not sure. Always looking to improve my skills, comments/suggestions always welcome! How are all the other badass projects in here coming along?!!

10-09-2009, 12:29 PM	#2303
tt99ol Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: quartz hill CA Age: 37 Posts: 644 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	exhaust is looking good plenty of penetration for an exhaust you should be fine maybe turn the feed speed down a tiny bit to get rid of the slag splatter __________________ Need automotive work done in the antelope valley? Ask me how i can help.

10-09-2009, 12:36 PM	#2304
MELLOSOS* LAID OUT Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: LAS VEGAS Age: 42 Posts: 2,015 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: MELLO*SOS Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Thanks for the input I'll give that a shot next time. I honestly didn't tune the machine very well, kind of re-used whatever random settings I had on it before.

10-09-2009, 01:00 PM	#2306
MELLOSOS* LAID OUT Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: LAS VEGAS Age: 42 Posts: 2,015 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: MELLO*SOS Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I haven't tried the gel, but I do use the spray regularly. I only use it on the nozzle/cup to prevent slag build up. It works great in there, but how would I apply the aersol to the weld without getting it into the bevel/joint prior to welding? Or is that not an issue? I'd think if it gets into the joint it would cause major problems with the weld. LOL regarding the welds, I only have the MIG at my house now and the first pass had a few holes due to starts/stops. Threw another bead around it since I didn't want to deal with any leaks. Honestly I've had poor luck with other exhausts cracking so I don't mind if it's a little 'industrial' hahaha. Rest of the exhaust I'll try my best on the TIG. Thanks guys for the tips, I'm just some guy who's teaching himself to weld out of curiosity and desire for self-sufficiency!

10-09-2009, 04:23 PM	#2308
TIG Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Metro Atlanta, Ga Posts: 23 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	MELLO*SOS I'm going to pretty much echo what S14 Kouki said. Regarding spatter, at work we use spatter spray regularly on anything thats being MIG welded. We do a lot of projects for the Gov't including Dept. of Defense and Dept of Energy. They were fine with anti-spatter being used on the pieces prior to welding when they certified the project and us. Penetration looks good, but inconsistent. This is likely due to inconsistent speed which you'll get better at with practice. Keep up the good work.

10-09-2009, 04:46 PM	#2309
MELLOSOS* LAID OUT Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: LAS VEGAS Age: 42 Posts: 2,015 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: MELLO*SOS Feedback Score: 1 reviews	TIG and S14 Kouki you guys are great, thanks for the tips. Regarding the spray, you just spray down the piece around the joint and it doesn't matter so much if it gets in the joint? I'm assuming the arc is hot enough to burn that stuff away. Wasn't sure if it would cause any issues with the weld later on. pen. is probably not consistent due to doing several start/stops on the first weld. I am still learning how to walk around the piece for fewer stops Am I the only one working in the garage? When I log into this thread on Monday I wanna see updates from the other baller projects taking place! haha Have a good weekend zilvia fabricators!!