Marijuana Legalization Debate *NO PICTURES*

[Touge Noob S13]

Originally Posted by S14_Kouki

Stupid closed minded people

Im guessing that you are a stoner, correct?

[yota man]

Originally Posted by Touge Noob S13

Im guessing that you are a stoner, correct?

Ok so here we get to see the other side of the non-legalization party (for lack of a better word).

I personally feel it should be legalized but I'm not going to get into that now.

HOWEVER I have been reading this with as little of a bias as I could. I always try to be able to listen to all sides of a story and then make my own choices. I feel that people like Sleepy240 and Philip and others have made well thought out posts and good points for either side.

Then there have been people making dumb posts about smoking and finally we get the other side making ignorant posts.

Please like Crimson said if you are going to bring up any point either side here please back them up with facts. Touge Noob all you have done here is try to stir up an argument. You have brought no facts to the table just your opinions and tried to attack people in here who don't agree with you. I hope for the sake of this threads continuation of being a well thought out discussion and a good read that you are just ignored and stop posting in here.

[SochBAT]

You know whats funny about people that bash on potheads? They never see the other side of the spectrum.

There the shit-lazy pothead that is a fucking veggie, being a waste of space.

Then there's the guy who's troubled with seizures that needs it to quell the pain.

I can't, to be quite honest, think of the opposite spectrums of smoking cigarettes and alcohol. I'm not calling anyone out, but it'd be nice to shed some light on the "lesser evils."

[yota man]

Well with the way things are going with cigs it may not be too long before they end up banned/prohibited/illegal. I know it will never actually happen with tobacco being a huge industry and it would pretty much ruin the farming economy in my state, but things are starting to head in that direction.

Why a Ban on Flavored Cigarettes and Outdoor Smoking Will Backfire | DrugReporter | AlterNet

Cliffnotes: In June congress hand the regulation of cigs over to FDA. FDA decides to place a ban on "flavored" cigarettes including cloves. FDA is also planning to possibly place menthol cigarettes into that category.

But back to the subject at hand.

[drift_limo]

Originally Posted by Touge Noob S13

I think its trashy, alot of other people view it as a dirty trashy habit as well.

Its just the way people are brought up about the subject.

Originally Posted by S14_Kouki

Stupid closed minded people

thats society in itself...

Originally Posted by BustedS13

and yet we live in a country/world where it's legal to smoke glamorous cigarettes and slam a decadent 40 of malt liquor.

thats answers itself

Originally Posted by Soooshi

See why I love Busted's responses? They're almost ALWAYS dead-on.

For fuck sakes people, if you're defending the legalization of marijuana as a medicinal help, back it up.

The increased production of hemp would help us out notably. Hemp rope, clothing, fucking textiles up the wazoo. Durable as shit, and cheap as dirt.

Well, not really, but compared to other materials, then yea.

but the sad thing if you look at this thread or people that smoke they dont look at it that way, they just see the fact that you can be around your friends in the circle hittin the waterpipe, and people wonder y it has a bad name...

[BustedS13]

Originally Posted by drift_limo

but the sad thing if you look at this thread or people that smoke they dont look at it that way, they just see the fact that you can be around your friends in the circle hittin the waterpipe, and people wonder y it has a bad name...

right, people see how they can personally benefit from something. it's like when you look at california auto laws and only think about how you can get busted for an SR.
i really don't see what your point is.

[S14_Kouki]

Originally Posted by Touge Noob S13

Im guessing that you are a stoner, correct?

I use to be, I have been smoke free for 4 months now. Im trying to find a perfect job and im not letting smoking get in the way.

Originally Posted by yota man

I feel that people like Sleepy240 and Philip and others have made well thought out posts and good points for either side.

You should read all posts before you post.

[yota man]

Originally Posted by S14_Kouki

You should read all posts before you post.

Well I was actually trying to stick up for you when some one was trying to just start an argument for no reason. Guess I won't do that again.

And I'm not exactly sure why you were telling me to read all posts but I can assure that I have.

[shmiddy]

why is everyone getting all worked up about a PLANT?!?! what has pot ever done you you? (the naysayers) can someone tell me how pot has harmed YOU?? honestly the reason i say "you", is because i should have the RIGHT to make the decision whats good for me and whats not. if i wanna smoke a lb of pot a day, i should be able to. just like no one gets in trouble for smokeing 2 packs a day or eating mcdonalds 3 times a day.

WHY DO YOU HATE POT SO MUCH?!?!? LEAVE MARY JANE ALONE!! SHES DONE NOTHING WRONG!!! WHAT HAS SHE DONE TO YOU??

[greddy2die]

People are worked up because alot of people have come to realize that it shouldnt be illegal.

I dont know if marijuana will become legal to be able to smoke in a bar or outside of your house just to do it like people do with alcohol. I personally would love it, however I wont hold my breath. Its not that big a deal to me.

However, I do think that HEMP should be legal to grow in the United States. To change laws now and allow hemp to be legal to grow so that paper, ropes, medicine, clothing, shoes etc etc will make all the naysayers in the country wonder wtf they were fighting for and why the hell did there oh so wonderful government all of a sudden go against what they have fighting to keep illegal all these years.

To me, its just like the war in Afghanistan, our men and women are still there fighting, dying, for what? Doesnt the US only have control of 20% of the country? Please correct me if im wrong, i dont want people to think im giving false info..lol. Anyway, if the government were to pull al lthe troops out now, it would make our country look weak and other foreign leaders might hold that against us. (again, thats what I believe is going on in our leaders heads)

Im not sure if that came out the way i would have liked to..lol im horrible at explaining things

[shmiddy]

Originally Posted by greddy2die

People are worked up because alot of people have come to realize that it shouldnt be illegal.

I dont know if marijuana will become legal to be able to smoke in a bar or outside of your house just to do it like people do with alcohol. I personally would love it, however I wont hold my breath. Its not that big a deal to me.

However, I do think that HEMP should be legal to grow in the United States. To change laws now and allow hemp to be legal to grow so that paper, ropes, medicine, clothing, shoes etc etc will make all the naysayers in the country wonder wtf they were fighting for and why the hell did there oh so wonderful government all of a sudden go against what they have fighting to keep illegal all these years.

To me, its just like the war in Afghanistan, our men and women are still there fighting, dying, for what? Doesnt the US only have control of 20% of the country? Please correct me if im wrong, i dont want people to think im giving false info..lol. Anyway, if the government were to pull al lthe troops out now, it would make our country look weak and other foreign leaders might hold that against us. (again, thats what I believe is going on in our leaders heads)

Im not sure if that came out the way i would have liked to..lol im horrible at explaining things

i agree!!! i think hemp would do the usa WONDERS. think about it.. american ppl making prosucts made from american grown product (hemp) that means more jobs for americans and also we wont need as much bull shit from other contrys like china. also sweatshops will deminish (at least i hope/think)

also hemp is good for our enviroment!!! insted of cutting down an irreplaceable, 100 year old tree to make papper... we can use hemp and save the enviroment! NOW ANYONE WHOS AGAINST NOT SAVING TREES SHOULLD BE SHOT lol

[S14_Kouki]

Originally Posted by yota man

Well I was actually trying to stick up for you when some one was trying to just start an argument for no reason. Guess I won't do that again.

And I'm not exactly sure why you were telling me to read all posts but I can assure that I have.

Well thank you, but the only reason I posted it was because you said Philip like he had alot to do with this thread. He only has 3 posts in this hole thread yea he help but I dont think as much as other ppl here.

Originally Posted by shmiddy

i agree!!! i think hemp would do the usa WONDERS. think about it.. american ppl making prosucts made from american grown product (hemp) that means more jobs for americans and also we wont need as much bull shit from other contrys like china. also sweatshops will deminish (at least i hope/think)

also hemp is good for our enviroment!!! insted of cutting down an irreplaceable, 100 year old tree to make papper... we can use hemp and save the enviroment! NOW ANYONE WHOS AGAINST NOT SAVING TREES SHOULLD BE SHOT lol

Like I said before this would be great if we could grow hemp. 1 acre of hemp is = 4 acres of trees. It is plan out stupid we are not growing hemp right now

[greddy2die]

I totally agree that its ridiculous that we cant grow hemp in the states.

It would reduce cutting tree's significantly I think. It wouldn't stop it 100% obviously due to homes/buildings and other stuff needing wood. But it would make a nice dent in the logging industry I believe.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Damn hippies and their Mary Jane....and their Knights In Satans Service...And their hippidy doo dop music radio

Y'all need Jesus

[yota man]

Originally Posted by S14_Kouki

Well thank you, but the only reason I posted it was because you said Philip like he had alot to do with this thread. He only has 3 posts in this hole thread yea he help but I dont think as much as other ppl here.

I used his posts because it was, as I believe, a great example of actually using sources and information to back up what you are saying in your post. I know you have been very vocal in this thread and have provided lots of info and I have enjoyed reading your responses also. It was just that his post stuck out in my head as an good easy to find example.

[S14_Kouki]

Originally Posted by greddy2die

I totally agree that its ridiculous that we cant grow hemp in the states.

It would reduce cutting tree's significantly I think. It wouldn't stop it 100% obviously due to homes/buildings and other stuff needing wood. But it would make a nice dent in the logging industry I believe.

Well VT, HI, ND, MT, MN, IL, VA, NM, CA, AR, KY, MD, WV all grow hemp its just marketed enough. So there is a start it just needs to get alot bigger alot faster.

Originally Posted by Mi Beardo es Loco

Damn hippies and their Mary Jane....and their Knights In Satans Service...And their hippidy doo dop music radio

Y'all need Jesus

Yes yes I do need him

Originally Posted by yota man

I used his posts because it was, as I believe, a great example of actually using sources and information to back up what you are saying in your post. I know you have been very vocal in this thread and have provided lots of info and I have enjoyed reading your responses also. It was just that his post stuck out in my head as an good easy to find example.

Ok cool I just needed stuff cleared up and I am sorry. So lets all get back on topic and share great info that can one day help us in our cause.

[Sleepy240]

Originally Posted by shmiddy

why is everyone getting all worked up about a PLANT?!?! what has pot ever done you you? (the naysayers) can someone tell me how pot has harmed YOU?? honestly the reason i say "you", is because i should have the RIGHT to make the decision whats good for me and whats not. if i wanna smoke a lb of pot a day, i should be able to. just like no one gets in trouble for smokeing 2 packs a day or eating mcdonalds 3 times a day.

WHY DO YOU HATE POT SO MUCH?!?!? LEAVE MARY JANE ALONE!! SHES DONE NOTHING WRONG!!! WHAT HAS SHE DONE TO YOU??

Well lets start with the obvious, there is no reason to post your crappy excuse for a paragraph in BOLD. There happen to lots of reasons to get "worked up" about this plant. Number one being that it is ILLEGAL! Right now nothing that you say changes that fact. Any drug that IMPARES your cognitive ability is harmful, each individual has a different reaction to the substance. You should have the right to decide what is good for you, is eating McDonalds illegal? No, so have at it. If that is your argument you might as well legalize crack cocaine, and crystal meth. How does that harm you? Nobody here to the best of my knowledge "hates pot", and "mary jane" doesn't exactly help your cause. To be honest you pretty much just sound like a kid who wants to get high. Toke up champ.

Originally Posted by greddy2die

People are worked up because alot of people have come to realize that it shouldnt be illegal.

Sadly I must be in the minority who still don't believe the legalization.

Originally Posted by greddy2die

I dont know if marijuana will become legal to be able to smoke in a bar or outside of your house just to do it like people do with alcohol. I personally would love it, however I wont hold my breath. Its not that big a deal to me.

I don't for see marijuana ever being legalized in the social aspect. Because of the chances of secondary highs and the like. Me drinking alcohol does not get you drunk. I also agree where this is not a big point and honestly has no bearing on whether its legalized or not.

Originally Posted by greddy2die

However, I do think that HEMP should be legal to grow in the United States. To change laws now and allow hemp to be legal to grow so that paper, ropes, medicine, clothing, shoes etc etc will make all the naysayers in the country wonder wtf they were fighting for and why the hell did there oh so wonderful government all of a sudden go against what they have fighting to keep illegal all these years.

I agree as before that Hemp should probably be legal to grow. The problem is 99% of America is not mature enough to just grow hemp, number one. People, not just our government only see dollars. People immediately see the benefits of producing something illegal. As I said before Hemp in theory is a good prospect but the capital required simply for starting up these businesses are very large. They would have create NEW factories with NEW equipment to manufacture these new goods. Not to mention removing jobs in the logging, paper, and forestry industries. And if you are close minded enough as to why we are over there then I do feel bad for you. This thread is about marijuana not the War on Terrorism.

Originally Posted by Shmiddy

i agree!!! i think hemp would do the usa WONDERS. think about it.. american ppl making prosucts made from american grown product (hemp) that means more jobs for americans and also we wont need as much bull shit from other contrys like china. also sweatshops will deminish (at least i hope/think)

Spell check is your friend. American people make plenty of "prosucts" here IN America. Hemp would create jobs, and eliminate other jobs. It would also create an even greater potential for greed, extortion, and crime, in my opinion. Hemp is not going to cure outsourcing, and buying products from other nations. The fact is it until we cut our costs (which will not happen) things will continue to be cheaper elsewhere, most importantly labor. Sweatshops will not diminish as I said. Us growing hemp will not stop us from importing clothes, shoes, and paper, even things hemp creating.

Originally Posted by Shmiddy

also hemp is good for our enviroment!!! insted of cutting down an irreplaceable, 100 year old tree to make papper... we can use hemp and save the enviroment! NOW ANYONE WHOS AGAINST NOT SAVING TREES SHOULLD BE SHOT lol

Hemp is has tons of pros as have been stated. To start here with your bullshit slinging, trees are 100% replaceable. They take time to mature and grow but are entirely replaceable. America is one of the key proponents for "Tree Farms". Most people are close minded and don't see that most logging companies are actually quite responsible. Basically "Tree Farms" are exactly as they sound, large plots of land with trees grown specifically for harvesting. They use mathematical equations to figure out how many trees they actually need to produce homes, how much area they have, and how much time it takes. In California alone they have 3.5 Million ACRES of Tree Farms. Please see below...



So by your logic I am against saving trees, so please shoot me.

[drftmark]

YouTube - THC effects on Tumor Brain Cells, Normal Brain Cells

^ short 20 sec video about THC effects on tumor brain cells over a 20 hour period.



This "contact high" and "second hand high" idea cracks me up. You would have to be in veryyyyy odd/ideal/extreme conditions for anyone to be effected.

[drift_limo]

this thread makes me giggle.

[Touge Noob S13]

[quote=yota man;3053651 Touge Noob all you have done here is try to stir up an argument.[/quote]


Listen Im not a "BAN ANYTHING MARIJUANA" guy. I am completly down for the use of hemp as paper and stuff as well as the use of it for medical reasons. What I dont like is how S14 Kouki and the rest of the "church of Timothy Leary and latter day stoners" is preaching to us about its other uses when they cleary do not really care for these uses. They really only care about the desire to get high with no trouble from the law. The "marijuana for other uses" argument would hold better ground if it was being defended by someone who does not use marijuana, not ex-stoners and such.

[Dalton918]

Can anyone name one way that smoking pot is worse than getting drunk?

(Besides it being illegal, we all get it.)

[murda-c]

Originally Posted by Dalton918

Can anyone name one way that smoking pot is worse than getting drunk?

(Besides it being illegal, we all get it.)

It neuters the American fighting spirit.

[drftmark]

Originally Posted by Touge Noob S13

Listen Im not a "BAN ANYTHING MARIJUANA" guy. I am completly down for the use of hemp as paper and stuff as well as the use of it for medical reasons. What I dont like is how S14 Kouki and the rest of the "church of Timothy Leary and latter day stoners" is preaching to us about its other uses when they cleary do not really care for these uses. They really only care about the desire to get high with no trouble from the law. The "marijuana for other uses" argument would hold better ground if it was being defended by someone who does not use marijuana, not ex-stoners and such.

How does the person's care level discredit any information about the "other uses?" If it benefits society with its many uses and people get high(like they are already doing), then who the fuck cares.

If everyone is already getting high on the reg, then the only people missing out are the people who want to keep it illegal when they could have access to all of the "other uses."

Getting high doesn't need an industrialized background... everything else to do with weed does. Period. SO WAKE UP and BENEFIT FROM IT.

The information is out there if you want to find it since you are not an "ex-stoner" and you can defend it since your judgment must be soooo better because you haven't smoked pot.

[shmiddy]

ok sleepy240 you make a good argument,

But what do you say about ppl whose lives are pretty much ruined because they enjoy pot. Do you agree with at least decriminalizing it??? I mean, common!!!! Take the stick out your ass and let ppl enjoy some pot!!! SHIT!!!!

[shmiddy]

oh and sleepy240, im not to sure if you said this before but my question to you is: have you every smoked pot??? do u know what it is to be high? because if you have, then you should know how harmless it is... at least it is to me..

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by drftmark

How does the person's care level discredit any information about the "other uses?" If it benefits society with its many uses and people get high(like they are already doing), then who the fuck cares.

If everyone is already getting high on the reg, then the only people missing out are the people who want to keep it illegal when they could have access to all of the "other uses."

Getting high doesn't need an industrialized background... everything else to do with weed does. Period. SO WAKE UP and BENEFIT FROM IT.

The information is out there if you want to find it since you are not an "ex-stoner" and you can defend it since your judgment must be soooo better because you haven't smoked pot.

I will speak specifically to the bolded part...

The stoner/pothead type is the one who numbs the argument for those whose interests in legalization/decriminalization are actually earnest. Think of it like this. I am a non-smoker who argues FOR, legalization, but I so so with a level of objectivity that sees it that I do not need to beat on a drum, yell, or otherwise peacock my beliefs. I come armed with good information.
I am not the one who is being heard. Instead, who you (not you specifically, don't take it personally) DO hear, on the other hand is the guys yelling "SMOKE WEED EVERY DAY," or that offer half-assed arguments amounting to not much more than "man, people are gonna smoke ANYWAY, why not make it legal?" Being thrown into the lot with the dregs of society, even if you share a common interest -- but with differing reasoning -- REALLY cripples any argument, no matter how effective. Need an example? Look how quickly the last thread got closed, and how this one has remained barely above going the same direction. For the record, I have ZERO faith in one of the aforementioned stoners/potheads to drop in and ruin the whole situation and everyone who actually DID want to participate in an actual discussion will again miss the time where a douche canoe such as could be repped DEEP into the red.

[drftmark]

Phlip, I understand what you are talking about retards adding their 2 cents hurting an arguement, but this was an issue having to do with the authenticity of facts.

TougeNoobs13 was talking to S14 Kouki who hasn't made any of the "get high til I muthafuckin dieeeeee" comments, when he, like you, also came in armed with good information. Then TougeNoobs13 tries to say that the information he is saying isn't holding any ground just because he smokes/smoked? That is preposterous.

why don't you bring the rep back?

[S14_Kouki]

Originally Posted by Touge Noob S13

Listen Im not a "BAN ANYTHING MARIJUANA" guy. I am completly down for the use of hemp as paper and stuff as well as the use of it for medical reasons. What I dont like is how S14 Kouki and the rest of the "church of Timothy Leary and latter day stoners" is preaching to us about its other uses when they cleary do not really care for these uses. They really only care about the desire to get high with no trouble from the law. The "marijuana for other uses" argument would hold better ground if it was being defended by someone who does not use marijuana, not ex-stoners and such.

Cool story bro. I have stated that marijuana helps re-grow brain cells, iv talked about the medical issues, iv talked and talked about how hemp can help use in so many ways. But my BIG argument is how marijuana CAN help our economy with extra money and jobs think about the extra billions of $$$ we can get think about the thousands of jobs that will open up.

PS I have not smoked for awhile and I dont plan on smoking for a very long time. So I really dont care to just legalize so I cant get in trouble.

Originally Posted by shmiddy

ok sleepy240 you make a good argument,

But what do you say about ppl whose lives are pretty much ruined because they enjoy pot. Do you agree with at least decriminalizing it??? I mean, common!!!! Take the stick out your ass and let ppl enjoy some pot!!! SHIT!!!!

You will never win talking to sleepy240 iv tryed it for the past 6 pages. Sleepy240 has alot of good info but its always is to oppose our info

Originally Posted by drftmark

Phlip, I understand what you are talking about retards adding their 2 cents hurting an arguement, but this was an issue having to do with the authenticity of facts.

TougeNoobs13 was talking to S14 Kouki who hasn't made any of the "get high til I muthafuckin dieeeeee" comments, when he, like you, also came in armed with good information. Then TougeNoobs13 tries to say that the information he is saying isn't holding any ground just because he smokes/smoked? That is preposterous.

why don't you bring the rep back?

Thank you, I knew there was someone out there to back me up

[Sleepy240]

Originally Posted by S14_Kouki

You will never win talking to sleepy240 iv tryed it for the past 6 pages. Sleepy240 has alot of good info but its always is to oppose our info

I appreciate what you are saying but sadly this isn't about winning or losing. This about putting information out there so each individual can make their own informed decision. Sadly most people already have their minds made up. Up until this thread I can honestly tell you I had not even contemplated hemp as a resource. And I suppose I could mention all of your information is too oppose mine

Originally Posted by shmiddy

oh and sleepy240, im not to sure if you said this before but my question to you is: have you every smoked pot??? do u know what it is to be high? because if you have, then you should know how harmless it is... at least it is to me..

To be totally honest, yes I have smoked pot before. Back when I was young and immature (about 6 years ago). I do know what it was like to be high and frankly I personally did not enjoy it. I am living proof that not everybody "loves being high". Paranoia is one of the things I experienced and it definitely caused some problems. The key to your post is that to YOU nothing has ever happened. Also if you decriminalize marijuana what drugs are next? If we are going by the motto that a lot of Pro-Smokers use, "How does me smoking harm you?". Well then legalize crystal meth, crank, speed, cocaine, and PCP.

[HalveBlue]

Yes.

I am for legalizing all drugs.

Seriously.

This country has forgotten the basic principle of personal choice - as well as personal responsibility.

Give me one good reason why I shouldn't be allowed to choose what I do or do not ingest?